Romney Was Right

[Moonlight Graham]

Is Joe Biden dead? I don't think he's been seen since the last election

Fantastic choice to pick a VP that you can't even use in public without fear of him saying something idiotic on camera. I'll bet Kerry and Clinton were more influential to Obama than Biden.

[dre]

Is Joe Biden dead? I don't think he's been seen since the last election

Fantastic choice to pick a VP that you can't even use in public without fear of him saying something idiotic on camera. I'll bet Kerry and Clinton were more influential to Obama than Biden.

These same meme plays itself out with almost every vice president. I remember it well with Gore, and with Cheney too... Jokes about him always being at a secure undisclosed location.

I dont think theres anything to it at all.

[Moonlight Graham]

These same meme plays itself out with almost every vice president. I remember it well with Gore, and with Cheney too... Jokes about him always being at a secure undisclosed location.

I dont think theres anything to it at all.

Well, we did see Gore from time to time. Cheney was always being seen, until he became very politically unpopular in the 2nd term. I guess it's all just politics. But how can you have a VP, the 2nd in command, the next-in-line to fill in for the POTUS in case something happens to him, how can you have that person not resign if they are so politically unpopular or plain incompetent that the admin is afraid to have them speak in public.

Edited September 5, 2013 by Moonlight Graham

[dre]

, how can you have that person not resign if they are so politically unpopular or plain incompetent that the admin is afraid to have them speak in public.

On possible scenario... is that they could not resign.

[GostHacked]

That's a really good video. I went and found the whole interview, it was very enlightening.

There were a couple like that from him. Great stuff and seems like a reasonable person to question the new wars.

[jbg]

Is Joe Biden dead? I don't think he's been seen since the last election

Fantastic choice to pick a VP that you can't even use in public without fear of him saying something idiotic on camera. I'll bet Kerry and Clinton were more influential to Obama than Biden.

These same meme plays itself out with almost every vice president. I remember it well with Gore, and with Cheney too... Jokes about him always being at a secure undisclosed location.

I dont think theres anything to it at all.

A VP's role is only what a President makes it. He cannot have a co-elected leader usurping his function. But any President, even a non-buffoon, needs help. Edited September 5, 2013 by jbg

[GostHacked]

A VP's role is only what a President makes it. He cannot have a co-elected leader usurping his function. But any President, even a non-buffoon, needs help.

One notable exception. Cheney's VP role was what HE made it, not Bush.

[Guest American Woman]

One notable exception. Cheney's VP role was what HE made it, not Bush.

He couldn't have played the role he did without Bush's 'allowing' him to do so. Edited September 6, 2013 by American Woman

[GostHacked]

He couldn't have played the role he did without Bush's 'allowing' him to do so.

People really believe that?

[guyser]

People really believe that?

Apperently so.

Doesnt make sense but there ya go.

[Guest American Woman]

People really believe that?

People really believe otherwise?

[GostHacked]

People really believe otherwise?

Sane people that think with logic .. ah never mind.

[Guest American Woman]

Sane people that think with logic .. ah never mind.

You mean sane people think like you do, eh?

[GostHacked]

You mean sane people think like you do, eh?

Yep. Many are not buying the chemical weapons bit either. But if you believe bombing for peace is a good thing, then you will like having sex for virginity.

Cheney was the first Vice that had a larger staff than the Pres. And it was not because Bush 'allowed' it to be. Cheney grabbed shist shotgun and peppered the office with his cronies and war drum beaters and his other thieving friends over at Haliburton and to some extent, Blackwater. If anything Cheney allowed Bush to do whatever it was that Bush did best.

But I digress, let's show Syria that we cannot tolerate chemical weapons attacks, so ... here are some high yield cruise missiles. There was this movie by those duds who do South Park. Had a fancy little number ... can't quite remember what it was. Some prefer the smell of napalm in the morning too.

[sharkman]

So how should the world show Syria they can't gas their own people? Or should they just let them gas at will until enough are dead? I hope not. I said this earlier:

I think you are underestimating the act of mass murder with chemical weapons. They've been used at least twice before in this civil war, so this is the 3rd time and with the most dead. So let's say the world ignores it and decides they don't want to appear to be hypocrites. Syria uses more gas in larger attacks now that they realize Obama's red line was just talk. They could kill 30-40,000 to break the will of the rebels. They win and bury the dead.

Then some other whack job dictator decides blue is his favourite colour and also it's time to deploy some WMD's since there is a UN track record of ignoring it. The West and the East let it happen because they don't want to appear like some kind of hypocrite and there you are. A brave new world in which idiots invade and take over countries because WMD's are that powerful. I don't think anyone wants to live in a world like that, it's a dead end. We've been there and gave millions of lives to get past it.

[GostHacked]

So how should the world show Syria they can't gas their own people? Or should they just let them gas at will until enough are dead? I hope not. I said this earlier:

On the gassing :

Was it the Syrian military under the command of Assad? Respond with limited scope kinetic military action.

Was it the known terror groups fighting Assad? Respond with limited scope kinetic military action.

Was it Al-Qeuda? Respond with limited scope kinetic military action.

Was it the FSA? Respond with limited scope kinetic military action.

Seems like a win win for whoever wants to do the bombing. Don't matter which side did it, the response needs to be more mayhem and destruction.

We have some info that the UK allowed some UK companies to sell some of this stuff to Syria not more than a year ago. If I helped you get bullets for your gun and you kill someone, I could be charged with abetting a criminal activity. I could be an accessory to murder. How much of this do you want? Sign here.

[sharkman]

So we should just let them keep gassing until enough are dead. I do not concur.

[GostHacked]

So we should just let them keep gassing until enough are dead. I do not concur.

You'd pummel Assad into the ground even if it was the rebels? What kind of message would that send to the world?

[sharkman]

There's your problem, assuming that pummelling into the ground is what's on the table is far off track.

[dre]

So we should just let them keep gassing until enough are dead. I do not concur.

100 thousand people have died from conventional warfare. Either you want to act or not, but suggest that its ok to kill 100 000 people with bullets and bombs, but a thousand or two dying from chemical weapons is some kind of show-stopper is just illogical and stupid.

[dre]

There's your problem, assuming that pummelling into the ground is what's on the table is far off track.

Whats off track is the idea that a regime thats fighting for its survival is going to change its behavior because of a few cruise missiles.

[August1991]

Remember way back during the presidential campaign, when Mitt Romney stated that Russia was America's number one geopolitical foe? And the media went crazy in disbelief, and treated it like a monumental gaffe?

Well, looks like Mr. Willard Mitt Romney was 100% correct.

I haven't read all the posts in this thread, and I hate Greg's new system for responding.

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Sorry. Putin/Russia are not the issue since the Soviets are no more.

IMHO, the better question is to ask how to confront this "Islamic", post-modern opponent.

Steyn thinks that it's a big deal; I think that we have faced worse, and survived.

Edited September 7, 2013 by August1991

[jbg]

But how can you have a VP, the 2nd in command, the next-in-line to fill in for the POTUS in case something happens to him, how can you have that person not resign if they are so politically unpopular or plain incompetent that the admin is afraid to have them speak in public.

The pressure simply doesn't exist for that. And also, not many people wake up and go to sleep at night thinking of the VP.

[GostHacked]

There's your problem, assuming that pummelling into the ground is what's on the table is far off track.

Another problem is assuming Assad is the culprit here.

[sharkman]

Well, bomb whom ever the guilty party is.

This week Germany's espionage service found evidence that the Syrian government was behind the chemical weapon deployment. That lines up with several other nations which have independently come to the same conclusion. This is different from the Iraq situation, there is no guessing whether they have the weapons, since they used them and the rebels do not have the capacity to use them.