Racism or Secularism? Quebec looking to ban all religious garb.

[Black Dog]

Detroit, as you know, is bankrupt. Stray packs of dogs roam the streets attacking citizens. Murder is commonplace. Police response times are measured in hours if not days...weeks...never. So when are you moving there?

Why would I move there when I live in a safe, clean and functioning city, one of many in Canada, North America and Europe where the standard of living vastly exceeds that enjoyed by most of the residents of the Islamic world (Detroit would be a step up for the millions of Muslims living in squalid tent emcampments across Africa and the Middle East).

But yes, a religion and culture that can't get it's own shit together, whose adherents slaughter far far more of their coreligionists than any infidel is gonna roll over us. Excuse me if I don't hold my breath on that one.

The Quran states...once again...that its goal is to dominate all other religions. You can try as you will to belittle this element of Islam but it won't change the fact that Mohammed...and God...made this claim.

You keep saying this like we should give a damn. Saying something and doing something are very very different things.

[bleeding heart]

You can portray me any way you wish. In reality, you know I'm unlikely to be screeching in fright at anything. But, it's a handy tactic...personal attacks. I can see why you like to employ them.

I wasn't talking about you...if you choose to be the subject of scorn otherwise directed, that's on you.

As for "personal attacks"...

You've informed me I'm an anti-Semite, a terrorist beard-stroker, and that I'm sexist.

That's your business, of course...but maybe you therefore shouldn't get too sanctimonious about such matters.

[Guest American Woman]

You can portray me any way you wish. In reality, you know I'm unlikely to be screeching in fright at anything. But, it's a handy tactic...personal attacks. I can see why you like to employ them.

I love that line of "reasoning." If one isn't complacent, if one doesn't take it for granted that things will stay exactly as they are for the rest of eternity (because Canada is going to be that exception), one is "screeching in fright."

[bleeding heart]

I love that line of "reasoning." If one isn't complacent, if one doesn't take it for granted that things will stay exactly as they are for the rest of eternity (because Canada is going to be that exception), one is "screeching in fright."

As opposed to the sober "reasoning" that the scary Muslims are going to take over Western civilization.

And why you single out Canada, in the usual reflex, is anyone's guess.

Edited August 27, 2013 by bleeding heart

[DogOnPorch]

You keep saying this like we should give a damn. Saying something and doing something are very very different things.

It's important because Muslims read the Quran and believe it is the very word of God as told to Mohammed during a trip to heaven. If it says Islam will dominate, that's what it says. You and I are free to interpret it in whatever abstract way we wish. Muslims...not so much.

I love that line of "reasoning." If one isn't complacent, if one doesn't take it for granted that things will stay exactly as they are for the rest of eternity (because Canada is going to be that exception), one is "screeching in fright."

Bleeding wasn't referring to me...of course.

Meanwhile I think Canada still has one of the highest immigration rates on the planet.

[Black Dog]

I love that line of "reasoning." If one isn't complacent, if one doesn't take it for granted that things will stay exactly as they are for the rest of eternity (because Canada is going to be that exception), one is "screeching in fright."

That's strange: I didn't see anyone accusing anyone else of screeching in fright or anything of the sort. Bleeding heart simply stated that he/she was not afraid.

As opposed to the sober "reasoning" that the scary Muslims are going to take over Western civilization.

BECAUSE ISLAM SAYS SO.

[bleeding heart]

BECAUSE ISLAM SAYS SO.

Right! That clinches it.

I've decided I'm going to live to be a hundred and sixty years old. So, it's a done deal.

[Black Dog]

It's important because Muslims read the Quran and believe it is the very word of God as told to Mohammed during a trip to heaven. If it says Islam will dominate, that's what it says. You and I are free to interpret it in whatever abstract way we wish. Muslims...not so much.

You're still missing a very important step in the process. Kinda the key one actually. Do you know what it is?

Meanwhile I think Canada still has one of the highest immigration rates on the planet.

And do you know where most immigrants to Canada come from?

[Guest American Woman]

As opposed to the sober "reasoning" that the scary Muslims are going to take over Western civilization.

I haven't seen that "reasoning" about "scary Muslims" here. But don't let that stop you from putting what's been said in that context.

And why you single out Canada, in the usual reflex, is anyone's guess.

Perhaps because the comments I've read, by Canadians, on a Canadian forum, in a thread in "Canadian Politics," have been in reference to Canada? But yeah, that would be difficult for "anyone" to "guess."

Edited August 27, 2013 by American Woman

[Black Dog]

I haven't seen that "reasoning" about "scary Muslims" here. But don't let that stop you from putting what's been said in that context.

If you haven't seen it, I have to wonder what thread you've been reading.

Like, what do you suppose this is all about?

Fair enough. Rather than turning the other cheek, Christians are actually supposed to kill the unbeliever.

Can you show me this in action? Do Christians take vengeance on those that do not believe that Jesus is Lord? Do believers riot and murder across Christendom if the Lord Jesus Christ is mocked or insulted? Does one have to look to cults of personality like the LRA to find vengeance in Christianity? Are other religions banned from existing or forced to pay a tax in Christian majority lands? Oh, well...we already know the answers to these questions...don't we?

Note...I took an unplanned 60 day vacation from MLW for posting violent imagery. So be careful what you post...no Christians beheading unbelievers...etc.

[bleeding heart]

I haven't seen that "reasoning" about "scary Muslims" here. But don't let that stop you from putting what's been said in that context.

Maybe you should read threads to see what is being responded to. You might learn something.

DoP has made the claim several times, in fact...but the one to which I was here responding is this:

There is no such thing as a moderate Quran. It's the Word of God. It is not open to revision. Islam will grow in Canada by both immigration and generally higher birth rates among practitioners. Not to mention conversions. It will dominate because that's exactly what the Quran states.

"It will dominate." That's Canada...but he has said it generally of the West, echoing Mark Steyn (consciously or not).

So that's the Muslims taking over Western civilization. DoP has repeatedly stated that it believes it will happen.

And that's to what I was responding.

Also, he was asked by carepov "when will Islam dominate?"...to which he responded

When it has the political clout. Just like everywhere else on the planet.

OK...so that's his opinion. Not my invention of his opinion.

Or this:

It is growing...will continue to grow, One day Islam WILL dominate. There's nothing to be done about it.

These are all in this thread.

Edited August 27, 2013 by bleeding heart

[bleeding heart]

double

Edited August 27, 2013 by bleeding heart

[Guest American Woman]

If you haven't seen it, I have to wonder what thread you've been reading.

Like, what do you suppose this is all about?

Not what it's being made out to be.

[carepov]

Islam already dominates 1/4 of the planet and is the fastest growing of all the religions. They think Sharia Law is jus' fine.

1. Islam does not dominate 1/4 of the planet. 21% of us humans are Muslim, but would you care to estimate how much power these 21% control (i.e. political clout, or control of financial, military, and other resources)? Certainly less than 10 % of the world's total.

2. Islam is growing at 2% per year, but Christianity is gaining more in absolute numbers than Islam. It is projected that by the 2050, Christians will make up 34% of our population and 25% will be Muslims. http://fastestgrowingreligion.com/numbers.html

3. Not all Muslims think that "Sharia Law is jus' fine".

[Guest American Woman]

Maybe you should read threads to see what is being responded to. You might learn something.

I did,thank you. Now I suggest you take your own advice.

These are all in this thread.

Terrific. So were the posts I based my response on. Odd* that you would choose such a minor detail to dwell on.

*Not

Edited August 27, 2013 by American Woman

[Black Dog]

Not what it's being made out to be.

If you believe that, I've got a bridge to sell you.

Guy straight up talks about the future as dominated by Islam, proceeds to rattle off all the s**ty things Islam is responsible for (and would go farther but for fear of the banhammer), but I'm sure there's nothing to that at all. Good Lord indeed.

Edited August 27, 2013 by Black Dog

[Guest American Woman]

If you believe that, I've got a bridge to sell you.

Thanks for proving my point. I appreciate it.

[DogOnPorch]

1. Islam does not dominate 1/4 of the planet. 21% of us humans are Muslim, but would you care to estimate how much power these 21% control (i.e. political clout, or control of financial, military, and other resources)? Certainly less than 10 % of the world's total.

2. Islam is growing at 2% per year, but Christianity is gaining more in absolute numbers than Islam. It is projected that by the 2050, Christians will make up 34% of our population and 25% will be Muslims. http://fastestgrowingreligion.com/numbers.html

3. Not all Muslims think that "Sharia Law is jus' fine".

1. 21% soon to be 25%...one quarter of the population. Try driving your car w/o gasoline. The OIC regularly hits-up the UN to pass Blasphemy Laws on ALL member nations. Due to the large voting block in favour, it has a good chance of actually happening.

2. For every pack of statistics claiming Islam isn't a fast growing religion, there's another claiming that it is. File it under: seen it on the internet.

3. Irrelevant in an Islamic nation.

[bleeding heart]

I did,thank you. Now I suggest you take your own advice.

you either did not read it...or your response to me:

I haven't seen that "reasoning" about "scary Muslims" here. But don't let that stop you from putting what's been said in that context

was outrageously dishonest. The choice is yours.

Terrific. So were the posts I based my response on. Odd* that you would choose such a minor detail to dwell on.

Your attempt at backtracking here is pretty weak.

You plainly implied that I had taken remarks in a "context" that was questionable.

(Remarks you hadn't even read, incredibly, but that's another issue.)

So I proved that you were mistaken.

Interestingly, in another thread, you take no truck with erroneous claims that have been absolutely proven to be false. Even what you deem a too-qualified admission is insufficient for your standards.

Let's see how that plays out now.

[Guest American Woman]

you either did not read it...or your response to me:

was outrageously dishonest. The choice is yours.

I choose - "none of the above."

And with that, I am done with this. Now, if you have something of substance to say about my response rather than nitpickingly dwelling on my reference to Canada - I'm listening.

[DogOnPorch]

Thanks for proving my point. I appreciate it.

I believe I was asking for some action shots on the quote found in Thessalonians about Jesus and a fiery sword.

[Black Dog]

Thanks for proving my point. I appreciate it.

One requires a point before one's point can be proven.

I'm used to you being obtuse, but I'm floored at how you can look at a thread filled with

1. Examples of Muslims being scary

and

2. Predictions that Islam will take over

and arrive at

I haven't seen that "reasoning" about "scary Muslims" here.

You're operating in your own reality here.

[bleeding heart]

I choose - "none of the above."

And with that, I am done with this. Now, if you have something of substance to say about my response rather than nitpickingly dwelling on my reference to Canada - I'm listening.

My entire last post didn't mention Canada at all...and the one previous to that mentioned it not in response to your remark in any way, but to DoP..

So my "nitpicking dwellingly" is comprised of a single remark, not in my last two posts.

who are you trying to fool here? Me or yourself?

What I've been talking about here is your inability to admit (without qualification) that you were mistaken about me and what I posted and to what I was responding.

Little wonder you're "done with it now"...you hold AC and others to a higher standard than you hold yourself.

Edited August 27, 2013 by bleeding heart

[Guest American Woman]

I believe I was asking for some action shots on the quote found in Thessalonians about Jesus and a fiery sword.

That's how it read to me.

I have to shake my head at all the "scary Muslim" and "screeching in fright" et al comments, as it seems those who resort to such responses are the ones actually resorting to histrionics.

You've made some valid points, and certainly not in fear, as I see it. It's an interesting topic of discussion, I think, as other religions do appear to be diminishing in numbers. Not so Islam.

Edited August 27, 2013 by American Woman

[Guest American Woman]

Little wonder you're "done with it now"...you hold AC and others to a higher standard than you hold yourself.

I suggest you watch what you accuse me of. Try to respond to my comments instead of making it about me. Thanks in advance.

Edited August 27, 2013 by American Woman