Racism or Secularism? Quebec looking to ban all religious garb.

[DogOnPorch]

You're making premises without explicitly stating your argument. It doesn't matter how many people are Muslim. Why does it matter?

With you, I could state the sky is blue and you'd disagree. Indeed. What does it matter?

[Black Dog]

Canada has no birth requirement to be PM...just a Canadian of majority age who resides in Canada.

The point (since it clearly sailed over your head) was that while technically anyone can become PM, there's always barriers to limit who can actually achieve that, just as there are barriers to who can become president (you know this because you made the same argument earlier).

So...honour killings and polygamy are now unheard of in Canada?

Pretty much: care to prove otherwise? And when such things take place, the people responsible face criminal sanctions. IOW: we got this.

Edited August 28, 2013 by Black Dog

[cybercoma]

With you, I could state the sky is blue and you'd disagree. Indeed. What does it matter?

I didn't disagree with your premises. I'm disagreeing with your implied conclusion. What does it matter how many Muslims there are?

The idea that they're going to take over everything is equally absurd. Have there been any Islamic laws passed in Canada recently? Are you ever going to convert to Islam? How about your family members? Neighbours? Coworkers? Is the government ever going to take it on as an official religion of Canada? Will laws be dictated by the Qu'ran in Canada ever?

You can't even take me through how any of this would happen and it's absurd to think that it would. There have been people like you for generations, worrying about "others" changing Canada and the world coming to an end. It hasn't happened yet and it's very highly unlikely that it would ever happen. So to say that you're paranoid is an understatement.

[carepov]

I gave you the real power.

So real power is population+oil reserves+votes in the UN General Assembly? Really?

-Military ressources do not matter?

-GDP does not mater?

[DogOnPorch]

The point (since it clearly sailed over your head) was that while technically anyone can become PM, there's always barriers to limit who can actually achieve that, just as there are barriers to who can become president (you know this because you made the same argument earlier).

Pretty much: care to prove otherwise? And when such things take place, the people responsible face criminal sanctions. IOW: we got this.

The barrier being elected leader of your party and it gets elected to govern. Not a barrier. Nor should there be barriers erected.

Fair enough. Pretty much except for what honor killings that still occur...or will occur.

[DogOnPorch]

So real power is population+oil reserves+votes in the UN General Assembly? Really?

-Military ressources do not matter?

-GDP does not mater?

Most armed forces on the globe could kick Canada's azz. Including Lebanon.

[Black Dog]

The barrier being elected leader of your party and it gets elected to govern. Not a barrier. Nor should there be barriers erected.

And you know, having the experience, connections and means to ascend to the leadership. Not something any Joe Blow has. These are systemic/institutional barriers that exist and serve to limit who can access the reigns of power.

Fair enough. Pretty much except for what honor killings that still occur...or will occur.

They happen (rarely) and they are illegal. And another funny thing: damn near every instance of islamic honour killing I can think of in Canada has been due to someone's desire to integrate and assimilate against the wishes of their more traditionally minded family. It therefore stands to reason there are literally dozens (if not more!) of Muslim youths who are adapting "our" cultural norms and practices and who aren't getting murdered. that would be the same generation you anticipate dragging is all into the stone age.

Edited August 28, 2013 by Black Dog

[Black Dog]

Most armed forces on the globe could kick Canada's azz. Including Lebanon.

That's some seriously facepalm worthy trolling.

[DogOnPorch]

That's some seriously facepalm worthy trolling.

Canada wouldn't stand a chance vs the vast majority of the planet's militaries. We'd need the enemy's assistance...lol.

Canada: Can we borrow some helicopters and some bombs for our antique F-18s?

[Boges]

Hyperbole

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures

United States 682.0 4.4 39 682

2 Chinax 166.0 2.0 9.5 249

3 Russiax 90.7 4.4 5.2 116

4 United Kingdom 60.8 2.5 3.5 57.5

5 Japan 59.3 1.0 3.4 46.0

6 France 58.9 2.3 3.4 50.7

7 Saudi Arabiay 56.7 8.9 3.2 63.9

8 India 46.1 2.5 2.6 119

9 Germanyx 45.8 1.4 2.6 42.8

10 Italyx 34.0 1.7 1.9 31.0

11 Brazil 33.1 1.5 1.9 34.4

12 South Korea 31.7 2.7 1.8 44.2

13 Australia 26.2 1.7 1.5 16.3

14 Canadax 22.5 1.3 1.3 18.3

15 Turkeyxz 18.2 2.3 1.0 25.9

[Black Dog]

Hyperbole

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures

It's called trolling: it's not to be taken seriously.

[DogOnPorch]

And you know, having the experience, connections and means to ascend to the leadership. Not something any Joe Blow has. These are systemic/institutional barriers that exist and serve to limit who can access the reigns of power.

Nonsense. Canada has no restrictions on running for office other than what I mentioned and a few other oddities like NOT being a criminal or a serving judge...sheriff...police chief...already elected...etc.

They happen (rarely) and they are illegal. And another funny thing: damn near every instance of islamic honour killing I can think of in Canada has been due to someone's desire to integrate and assimilate against the wishes of their more traditionally minded family. It therefore stands to reason there are literally dozens (if not more!) of Muslim youths who are adapting "our" cultural norms and practices and who aren't getting murdered. that would be the same generation you anticipate dragging is all into the stone age.

And they'll continue to happen. As Canada's Muslim population grows...they'll happen even more often.

Edited August 28, 2013 by DogOnPorch

[DogOnPorch]

Hyperbole

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures

United States 682.0 4.4 39 682

2 Chinax 166.0 2.0 9.5 249

3 Russiax 90.7 4.4 5.2 116

4 United Kingdom 60.8 2.5 3.5 57.5

5 Japan 59.3 1.0 3.4 46.0

6 France 58.9 2.3 3.4 50.7

7 Saudi Arabiay 56.7 8.9 3.2 63.9

8 India 46.1 2.5 2.6 119

9 Germanyx 45.8 1.4 2.6 42.8

10 Italyx 34.0 1.7 1.9 31.0

11 Brazil 33.1 1.5 1.9 34.4

12 South Korea 31.7 2.7 1.8 44.2

13 Australia 26.2 1.7 1.5 16.3

14 Canadax 22.5 1.3 1.3 18.3

15 Turkeyxz 18.2 2.3 1.0 25.9

Canada is not capable of taking on Turkey...for example. Turkey would wipe the floor with us.

[Boges]

Canada is not capable of taking on Turkey...for example. Turkey would wipe the floor with us.

Perhaps because Turkey is in a part of the world where having a standing army is actually important.

Canada certainly has the wealth to mobilize an effective military should it be actually necessary.

Edited August 28, 2013 by Boges

[DogOnPorch]

Perhaps because Turkey is in a part of the world where having a standing army is actually important.

Canada certainly has the wealth to mobilize an effective military should it be actually necessary.

Oh really? A vast infantry army armed with hunting rifles?

[cybercoma]

And they'll continue to happen. As Canada's Muslim population grows...they'll happen even more often.

Why are you only worried about Muslim domestic homicide and not the vast majority of domestic homicide which has nothing to do with Muslims?

[bleeding heart]

Most armed forces on the globe could kick Canada's azz. Including Lebanon.

But they won't.

Your (explicitly stated) concern, of course, is not the threat of Islamic regimes--the majority of which are quite friendly with the West.

(The Western powers tend to be more hostile towards rebels against the Islamic regimes than we are to the regimes themselves.)

Your concern is one of demographics...that this is how Islam will come to "dominate" us.

So I think it's reasonable to ask what percentage of Canadian (or American) Muslims actually commit crimes with an Islamist underpinning.

In other words, most Muslims, obviously, adhere to domestic law very nicely.

[DogOnPorch]

Why are you only worried about Muslim domestic homicide and not the vast majority of domestic homicide which has nothing to do with Muslims?

Fallacy. We weren't discussing other forms of crime.

But they won't.

Your (explicitly stated) concern, of course, is not the threat of Islamic regimes--the majority of which are quite friendly with the West.

(The Western powers tend to be more hostile towards rebels against the Islamic regimes than we are to the regimes themselves.)

Your concern is one of demographics...that this is how Islam will come to "dominate" us.

So I think it's reasonable to ask what percentage of Canadian (or American) Muslims actually commit crimes with an Islamist underpinning.

In other words, most Muslims, obviously, adhere to domestic law very nicely.

Fallacy. I have zero concerns.

[bleeding heart]

Fallacy. I have zero concerns.

Ok, scratch "concerns"; your opinion is that Islam will dominate. (Fallacy gone.)

My point still stands.

[DogOnPorch]

Ok, scratch "concerns"; your opinion is that Islam will dominate. (Fallacy gone.)

My point still stands.

Not my opinion. The Quran's own words. Mohammed's...and God's words.

My point still stands.

[bleeding heart]

Not my opinion. The Quran's own words. Mohammed's...and God's words.

My point still stands.

Yes, but almost all the faith's adherents have no interest in dominating the West--or anyone. They're busy with their personal lives, their families...the usual stuff.

Edited August 28, 2013 by bleeding heart

[DogOnPorch]

Yes, but almost all the faith's adherents have no interest in dominating the West--or anyone. They're busy with their personal lives, their families...the usual stuff.

Again...for the umpth time...this isn't about individual Muslims. Schindler was a fairly nice fellow...for a Nazi. Von Braun got man to the Moon.

[bleeding heart]

Again...for the umpth time...this isn't about individual Muslims. Schindler was a fairly nice fellow...for a Nazi. Von Braun got man to the Moon.

If individual Muslims don't act as a collective to dominate...then there will be no domination.

[DogOnPorch]

If individual Muslims don't act as a collective to dominate...then there will be no domination.

Again...for the umpth time...the Quran...the very word of God...states Islam's dominance. Not me or individual Muslims.

[Black Dog]

Nonsense. Canada has no restrictions on running for office other than what I mentioned and a few other oddities like NOT being a criminal or a serving judge...sheriff...police chief...already elected...etc.

No formal restrictions sure. But plenty of barriers. I know you know this (having already used a similar argument yourself in this thread viz the U.S. presidency) and are just being obtuse here.

And they'll continue to happen. As Canada's Muslim population grows...they'll happen even more often.

Prove it. After all, Canada's Muslim population has increased, so surely there must be some data out there showing these types of crimes have also increased. Easy peasy.

(Of course, past performance is not an indicator of future results.)

Edited August 28, 2013 by Black Dog