PMO paid for Duffy's fraud

Wilber · November 1, 2013

http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/outside-audits-of-senators-expenses-cost-taxpayers-more-than-520-000-1.1523724

Looks like we are getting screwed twice. Once for the expenses scandal and another to pay for the audits.

Cost more to audit the money these people are wrongly claiming for expenses. Awesome.

The case for getting rid of the Senate just keeps getting stronger.

Topaz · November 1, 2013

The case for getting rid of the Senate just keeps getting stronger.

T don't think we need to get rid of it just tighten up the rules and scare the hell of senators, that they better walk the line or its jail time!

g_bambino · November 1, 2013

The case for getting rid of the Senate just keeps getting stronger.

Not nearly as strong as the case for keeping it.

Wilber · November 1, 2013

Not nearly as strong as the case for keeping it.

What would that be? There are people in the Senate because of merit but too often it is just a reward for bag men and apparatchiks who don't respect other peoples money and have far too much trouble knowing the simple difference between right an wrong, the difference between actual ethics and what they can get away with. What do Canadians get for their 135k per year plus 64 trips within Canada, plus 20k per year travel allowance, plus housing allowance, plus 75% of their salary for life after they retire, plus all their other expenses?

Countries like Norway, Sweden and Denmark do just fine without upper houses.

Wilber · November 1, 2013

T don't think we need to get rid of it just tighten up the rules and scare the hell of senators, that they better walk the line or its jail time!

Jail time. :lol: Dream on.

jacee · November 2, 2013

Topaz, on 01 Nov 2013 - 6:57 PM, said:

T don't think we need to get rid of it just tighten up the rules and scare the hell of senators, that they better walk the line or its jail time!

Jail time. Dream on.

RCMP investigation in progress, of fraud/bribery could mean jail time for Duffy/Wright. Edited November 2, 2013 by jacee

Smallc · November 2, 2013

Countries like Norway, Sweden and Denmark do just fine without upper houses.

There's a difference between them and us.

Wilber · November 2, 2013

There's a difference between them and us.

Ya, our Senate. Bet they are quite happy about that.

Smallc · November 2, 2013

Ya, our Senate. Bet they are quite happy about that.

No, they aren't federal states. No federal state exists without an upper house.

Bob Macadoo · November 2, 2013

Ya, our Senate. Bet they are quite happy about that.

No smart arse they are comparably less expansive countries that are homogeneous in nature. However if you are interested in modelling those countries they use proportional representation to properly reflect their constituency. Want to go there?

A senate is imperative to provide regional representation to our diverse and separated population. As much as people would deny, an Albertan and a Newfie are nothing alike, unless Mike from Canmore would like to be the butt of a lot of jokes instead.

If the only criteria for eliminating legislative body parts was perceived fraud and laziness, parliament could be reduced to the PM and his PMO........oh wait scratch that.

Edited November 2, 2013 by Bob Macadoo

Wilber · November 2, 2013

The Senate as it stands, pretty much represents itself and whichever sitting government that is able to pack it with enough members to bring it under control of the PM and his PMO. In othe words as much like the Commons as possible except you can never get rid of the turkeys and you have to pay them till they die.

Bob Macadoo · November 2, 2013

As can be seen even in the conservative ranks people aren't willing to go along with the idea of Alta making all the policy decisions either. See convention delegate voting. Regional representation is obviously a universal tenet, only willing to be sacrificed by those who think they have the biggest toys and/or any other phallic reference you wish to make.

Topaz · November 2, 2013

RCMP investigation in progress, of fraud/bribery could mean jail time for Duffy/Wright.

Yes, but what about Wright? IF he goes to jail for protecting Harper , I wonder how Harper going to sleep at night?? I'm sure Harepr will do everything possible not to let that happen.

GostHacked · November 2, 2013

RCMP investigation in progress, of fraud/bribery could mean jail time for Duffy/Wright.

If police can shoot a kid dead in the streets and get away with it, then senators can get away with this.

On Guard for Thee · November 2, 2013

Right. Because he's being so quiet, isn't he?

Besides, how is it a crime? The worst possible scenario is "here's the money you owe, now go away and stop telling people that you don't owe it." Wow. If that's the biggest "scandal" they can pin on Harper, he must be the best leader the western world has ever seen.

What you have just described is most definitely a crime. Go look it up.

Jimmy Wilson · November 2, 2013

Right. Because he's being so quiet, isn't he?

Besides, how is it a crime? The worst possible scenario is "here's the money you owe, now go away and stop telling people that you don't owe it." Wow. If that's the biggest "scandal" they can pin on Harper, he must be the best leader the western world has ever seen.

This is precisely the problem that the folks that think Mr. Harper and his legislative friends have done nothing wrong don't get...

Admittedly,it isn't a lot of money (certainly compared to the billions most could rhyme off that The Harper Government has blown through...) It's the fact that they tried to cover up some sleazy rule breaking by one (or a few) of their appointed sacred cows and have been caught in in the spinning of their deception...

It's not about the money at all!!!

If one believes what Duffy was says he was told by Mr. Harper,in that,it's NOT what he did BUT the perception of what he did...Then even Mr. Harper knows/knew this looks bad.And he must know that it goes right to the heart of the ethical standards he put upon himself and his party...

They are now being perceived as unethical,unscrupulous,and inauthentic...And the authenticity issue is the key with the voting populous.Frankly,just about everyone thinks that most politicians are unscrupulous and unethical,but you have to appear to be authentic...

In this case,Mr. Harper at least made a serious attempt at being ethical and this gave him authenticity,especially with his base but even with people not predisposed as being ideological conservatives.But little by little,and this is one is a large chip out of that seemingly impervious armour,he's lost his authenticity at being ethical...

Mr. Harper's supporters have tried to fluff off every ethical lapse as nothing to get worried about and these events have been overblown...Or,the media is out to get them/him...

But,now we have a body of work here and Mr. Harper (and his party) don't seem as ethical as they claim to be...And certainly not as authentic as he was perceived.

This one is almost 1 year old and it's getting worse for him and his party...It isn't going away,no matter how much the conservative base wants to wish it away or how much they want to downplay it...

Jimmy Wilson · November 2, 2013

Interesting...

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/when-will-conservative-faithful-finally-doubt-harper/article15224729/

Topaz · November 4, 2013

It still think he's going to lose more support because of the changes to EI, CPP, OAS, beside all the corrupt things his party members have done and is still doing. Women don't really support him and he doesn't support abortion, the Right to Die, increase in taxes, no matter what he says, and he's lost his credibility and retire on his 6 million pension, ..oh yeah, didn't say he would only take 3-4? We'll never know if that's true. BTW, reporters said they think Duffy going to come out with one news item.

Icebound · November 4, 2013

This is precisely the problem that the folks that think Mr. Harper and his legislative friends have done nothing wrong don't get...

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It's not about the money at all!!!

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But,now we have a body of work here and Mr. Harper (and his party) don't seem as ethical as they claim to be...And certainly not as authentic as he was perceived.

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Exactly.

Unfortunately, Canadians get blinded by the red herrings of Mikey's living and Pam's travel, and forget all about Stevey's ethics.

That's why Mike and Pam get brought up in every answer during QP. Redirection, the tool of the magician.

Trying to escape the flames in a puff of smoke?

Topaz · November 5, 2013

So if Duffy has e-mail that leads to the PMO and the PMO says they haven't any, we gave all we had,what will the RCMP do?? The Tories have said in the past, they would help Election Canada in their investigation of the Tories and it was revealed by EC that they didn't and Harper lied in the House to Canadians and this being more serious matter, any documents were probably shredded which could mean more trouble for the PMO. http://www.cbc.ca/m/touch/politics/story/1.2355634%C2'>

waldo · November 7, 2013

oh my... those Harper fueled brutes in the Senate actually did it!!! The bullied and beleaguered Duffy didn't stand a chance. Due process? Ha!

but hey now, let's have a real look at that Harper whipped Senate vote! Let's see the extent of Harper vindictiveness. Let's see the full brazen and failed "due process" level that Harper Conservatives sunk to!

Topaz · November 8, 2013

Brazeau's advisor was on CBC, she said that he didn't do anything wrong,had been cleared by the outside accounting firm but it was the internal senate economy said he was wrong and Brazeau said he owed 140.00. She too, who was a Tory supporter and donated money to the party, is now out of a job, and is a single-mom, with no job. and was nearly in tears talking about it. God only knows how long it will take for her to find another job or EI. IF Harper thinks this is going away, he definitely wrong and its probably going to get worse.

cybercoma · November 8, 2013

Brazeau's advisor was on CBC, she said that he didn't do anything wrong,had been cleared by the outside accounting firm but it was the internal senate economy said he was wrong and Brazeau said he owed 140.00. She too, who was a Tory supporter and donated money to the party, is now out of a job, and is a single-mom, with no job. and was nearly in tears talking about it. God only knows how long it will take for her to find another job or EI. IF Harper thinks this is going away, he definitely wrong and its probably going to get worse.

You should read Brazeau's speech. It's near the bottom of this Hansard. Just CTRL+F (CMD+F on Mac) and hunt for "Brazeau".

http://www.parl.gc.ca/Content/Sen/Chamber/412/Debates/011db_2013-11-04-e.htm

brian66 · November 8, 2013

Found this article by Justin Ling about Harper and "Blue's Clues".

www.looniepolitics.com/harpers-clues/

On Guard for Thee · November 8, 2013

Brazeau's advisor was on CBC, she said that he didn't do anything wrong,had been cleared by the outside accounting firm but it was the internal senate economy said he was wrong and Brazeau said he owed 140.00. She too, who was a Tory supporter and donated money to the party, is now out of a job, and is a single-mom, with no job. and was nearly in tears talking about it. God only knows how long it will take for her to find another job or EI. IF Harper thinks this is going away, he definitely wrong and its probably going to get worse.

I saw that same interview, and I found her credible and so I also felt concerned for the very same reasons you pointed out. It seems a bit unfair in this whole scheme were the boss still gets his benefits, she get's nothing, and what the hell did she do wrong? This whole thing is garbage and it starts with Harper, and the garbage will end up smelling up his own doorstep. It already is.