PMO paid for Duffy's fraud

[jacee]

Oh.....another one that doesn't know what they're talking about.......This is painful, what you're reaching for is:

http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-46/section-121-20070531.html

Or Section 119.

http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/c-46/page-62.html#h-52

Of course, the only ones being investigated on this charge are Senator Duffy and Nigel Wright, since the 90K cheque was from Mr Wrights personal account

Really?

And whoever from the Conservative Party - president? - approved the $13k payment to Duffy ... and maybe lawyer Hamilton too.

It's getting crowded under that bus!

Better watch your back, Derek.

Harper doesn't really eat kittens.

He eats Tories!

If they tell the truth.

"When the media ask, where did you get the money to pay the Can$90,000 the PMO told me to say, 'My wife and I took out a loan at the Royal Bank'," Duffy said.

"That line was written by the PMO to deceive Canadians as to the real source of the $90,000."

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5ghTkA3-LsXvTiKlsBos2mahUD7fQ?docId=4bd97db2-9d5e-4287-be5b-5ec1dfa34e0e

Edited October 29, 2013 by jacee

[Keepitsimple]

Duffy is starting to remind me a lot of Karl Hans Schreiber......making new claims every day - a darling of the media until he became just a silly caricature. At the very beginning, all Duffy had to do was say that he felt he was following the rules but "I acknowledge that we are held to a higher standard and Canadians want us to do more than follow the letter of the law - and to respect that higher standard, and to remove any doubt as to their propriety - I am voluntarily repaying any expenses that this honourable house feels will set this matter straight".

This would have been a walk in the park what with Duffy's ability to play to the media - and he KNEW that somehow, the party faithful would reimburse him over time. But no, this lunkhead demonstrated no contrition, no understanding of the situation he was creating - or if he did, he was so caught up in his own sense of self that he didn't care. Harper must be furious with this guy and Duffy deserves to be swallowed up by the scorched earth he is creating.

Edited October 29, 2013 by Keepitsimple

[waldo]

Duffy is starting to remind me a lot of Karl Hans Schreiber......

all Duffy had to do was say that he felt he was following the rules

uhhh... except, as Mulroney finally acknowledged, the money went the other way. As for your suggested, "all Duffy had to do was say...", why didn't the PMO/Harper/Wright/etc., press for that, for your, narrative?

[Smallc]

except for the PMO's involvement and you know damn well Harper IS the PMO. He's a control freak.

As someone said, it was Wright's job to ensure Harper would be protected from this kind of stuff.

[jacee]

As someone said, it was Wright's job to ensure Harper would be protected from this kind of stuff.

You mean to lie and cover up the truth?

[PIK]

Maybe harper is not the control freak the media party has been telling anyone who would listen. And harper is smart enough to know that everything will come out. Listening to duffy made me want to vomit. Sounding like he is a victim , but why are we in this position, because duffy was filling his pockets. And has he forgotten about the claims when he was in florida, and he has yet to explain the 65g's ,but yet the drama queen says it was all harper's fault.When all said and done harper will be PM and duffy will be nothing, except I imagine CBC will hire him the minute this is over and duffy is not in jail.

[cybercoma]

As someone said, it was Wright's job to ensure Harper would be protected from this kind of stuff.

Harper was at that meeting. That's one thing I believe Duffy about. Harper is a micromanager. There's no way this went on without his knowledge. He also didn't fire Wright, as he's now claiming, because Poilievre and Kenney were singing Wright's praises after he resigned. That's not what those sycophants would be doing had Harper fired Wright. Pierre's head is so far up Harper's backside that he probably knows what Stephen had for breakfast.

[cybercoma]

Maybe harper is not the control freak the media party has been telling anyone who would listen.

the media? Try other Conservatives. And in any case if he doesn't know what's going on in the PMO, then he's incompetent. That's his office. Edited October 29, 2013 by cybercoma

[capricorn]

The law that was broken quite obviously was the 90k check to shut Duffy up.

Quite possibly, the criminal investigation will find Duffy guilty of accepting a bribe. That guy most probably is digging his own grave with the show he's putting on for reasons that remain unclear.

[jacee]

the media? Try other Conservatives. And in any case if he doesn't know what's going on in the PMO, then he's incompetent. That's his office.

The issue now is the integrity of the PM, and Chantal Hebert raises the important questions:

Question: If Harper believed Duffy to be guilty of a gross breach of the senate rules of the kind that the prime minister [now] argues warrants his suspension without pay from the institution why would his top political operator be willing to spare no expense to reimburse all the expenses related to the offence on his behalf ?

...

And if PMO staff assumed that it was acceptable to encourage a senator to lie, what does that say about the ethical rules that the prime minister enforces within his own ranks ?

Harper's outrage and demand for suspension of Senators isn't outrage about ethics or integrity at all.

Harper is outraged that Duffy et al have exposed HIS lack of ethics and HIS political manoevering, and the lack of integrity of his political operatives in the PMO.

As Hebert points out, he sets the tone for the PMO.

Edited October 29, 2013 by jacee

[jacee]

Quite possibly, the criminal investigation will find Duffy guilty of accepting a bribe. That guy most probably is digging his own grave with the show he's putting on for reasons that remain unclear.

You are right, Duffy did accept a bribe. However, he objected, did so under duress, and is now singing like a canary about the role of the PM and PMO. All of that will weigh in his favour in charges and sentencing.

Nigel Wright is the real fall guy here.

[PIK]

the media? Try other Conservatives. And in any case if he doesn't know what's going on in the PMO, then he's incompetent. That's his office.

I guess you don't know how a PMO works? This must be the 1st time that we have a scandal over trying to retrieve taxpayers money, I guess that is why the world is starting to laugh at us. Bring down government over accounting procodures and getting rid of a bunch of crooks. But with the good news about the euro trade and a balanced buget coming, the media wants to keep everyone's eye on the scandal. Make sure harper does not get any credit. Edited October 29, 2013 by PIK

[PIK]

You are right, Duffy did accept a bribe. However, he objected, did so under duress, and is now singing like a canary about the role of the PM and PMO. All of that will weigh in his favour in charges and sentencing.

Nigel Wright is the real fall guy here.

Did so under stress, the only stress he felt was getting caught with the fingers in the till.

[PIK]

Harper was at that meeting. That's one thing I believe Duffy about. Harper is a micromanager. There's no way this went on without his knowledge. He also didn't fire Wright, as he's now claiming, because Poilievre and Kenney were singing Wright's praises after he resigned. That's not what those sycophants would be doing had Harper fired Wright. Pierre's head is so far up Harper's backside that he probably knows what Stephen had for breakfast.

How do you know that harper is such a micromanger??? The media party??? And harper is smart enough not to get involved in these matters, but then you have no idea how a PMO works.

[guyser]

How do you know that harper is such a micromanger??? The media party??? And harper is smart enough not to get involved in these matters, but then you have no idea how a PMO works.

HIstory for one. Well known for what he is.....except to those who cannot see.

In bold....?...nice contradiction on your part. It shows that cyber is right and that it is you who has no understanding of the office

[PIK]

HIstory for one. Well known for what he is.....except to those who cannot see.

In bold....?...nice contradiction on your part. It shows that cyber is right and that it is you who has no understanding of the office

Not even close. There is a reason for the PMO and that is to the dirty work and problem solve and keep the PM out of it.That is how it works here and everywhere else. And enough of the old BS about harper, I have even heard this is part of his hidden agenda, it just does not end with you guys. The media will do what it takes to get the libs back in power, and we the people will be the losers. When the media and foreign money dictate to this country on what we should be doing, then we are screwed. Edited October 29, 2013 by PIK

[cybercoma]

You are right, Duffy did accept a bribe. However, he objected, did so under duress, and is now singing like a canary about the role of the PM and PMO. All of that will weigh in his favour in charges and sentencing.

Nigel Wright is the real fall guy here.

Oh no. Duffy's not a victim here. He still made inappropriate residency claims and should have known better. It's obvious he wasn't a resident of PEI. He's an embarrassment.

Edited October 29, 2013 by cybercoma

[cybercoma]

I guess you don't know how a PMO works? This must be the 1st time that we have a scandal over trying to retrieve taxpayers money, I guess that is why the world is starting to laugh at us. Bring down government over accounting procodures and getting rid of a bunch of crooks. But with the good news about the euro trade and a balanced buget coming, the media wants to keep everyone's eye on the scandal. Make sure harper does not get any credit.

Same with AdScam, eh PIK? Just bad accounting. We wouldn't want to upset the apple cart over that, would we?

[cybercoma]

HIstory for one. Well known for what he is.....except to those who cannot see.

In bold....?...nice contradiction on your part. It shows that cyber is right and that it is you who has no understanding of the office

Funny. Isn't it? Harper knew nothing about it...except that he knew enough about it not to get involved. Don't hurt yourself bending into that pretzel, PIK.

[cybercoma]

There is a reason for the PMO and that is to the dirty work

As long as you're able to admit that the Prime Minister's Office does "dirty work," we're making progress.

[jacee]

Oh no. Duffy's not a victim here. He still made inappropriate residency claims and should have known better. It's obvious he wasn't a resident of PEI. He's an embarrassment.

I'm not excusing him. There are other spending issues too.

However, on this issue ... Duffy had to be a resident of PEI or Harper wouldn't have been able to appoint him to the Senate.

There was a benefit to the PM to accept that arrangement of Duffy's expenses ... until it became politically sensitive.

Edited October 29, 2013 by jacee

[jacee]

Not even close. There is a reason for the PMO and that is to the dirty work and problem solve and keep the PM out of it.That is how it works here and everywhere else.

Are you excusing unethical and illegal actions in the PMO?

[g_bambino]

Are you excusing unethical and illegal actions in the PMO?

What's the PMO done that's illegal?

[jacee]

What's the PMO done that's illegal?

Yes ... who did bribe the senator?

It's not all clear until the evidence is all public.

And who told Duffy to lie to the public about how he was repaying expenses?

Read thread pls.

Edited October 29, 2013 by jacee

[Topaz]

Remember that report about a "secret fund" the PMO had, about 1 Million? What are the possibilities that Wright was advised take $90,000 out and transfer it to his account and then pay off Duffy. This way FOI couldn't get into Wright personal account. http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/conservative-party-denies-secret-fund-run-by-pmo-1.1404415

Edited October 29, 2013 by Topaz