guyser Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 There actually is still no evidence that Harper knew any of this. True No one should think he didnt though. He has a penchant for knowing things . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyser Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 Regardless of the Prime Minister’s actions, real or perceived , Since whatever Harper did doesnt matter (according to you) , then the question cannot be answered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacee Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 No, it's not a crime At the time, Duffy was a member of the CPC.......all parties can and do pay for legal expenses of their members...These funds are garnered by donations to the party. I'm sure even you know how ridiculous that is.The Conservative Party was trying to buy Duffy's silence and non-cooperation with the audit. It is a crime to buy a Senator's silence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacee Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 I mean he kept his trap shut until he was faced with being tossed on his earCouldnt one surmise that if the Senator had of went public earlier, he wouldnt be in the situation he is in now?Now totally makes sense.He waited until he had given evidence to the RCMP, evidence that will become public in court. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 True No one should think he didnt though. He has a penchant for knowing things . I don't think he would have approved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Derek L Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 Since whatever Harper did doesnt matter (according to you) , then the question cannot be answered. Why? You suggested this is but a card game on the part of Duffy, yet Duffy left the CPC in the middle of May of this year, so why wait over 6 months, until faced with losing his pay and benefits, did Duffy keep quiet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Derek L Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 I'm sure even you know how ridiculous that is. The Conservative Party was trying to buy Duffy's silence and non-cooperation with the audit. It is a crime to buy a Senator's silence. No, you suggested the CPC broke a law by paying the legal expenses of (at the time) one of it's members. What law was broken? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyser Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 I don't think he would have approved. Not only do I think he approved, but he was in the know the entire time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyser Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 (edited) Why? You suggested this is but a card game on the part of Duffy, yet Duffy left the CPC in the middle of May of this year, so why wait over 6 months, until faced with losing his pay and benefits, did Duffy keep quiet? What part of keeping cards close to the vest is escaping you? He wanted for this to be done and over with (presumably like his bosses wanted) and he played along. Now not so much. If he has the goods (and I think he has enough) then we will see it come to light at the most favourable time for Duffy. BTW, want to play poker soon? Edited October 28, 2013 by Guyser2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Derek L Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 Now totally makes sense. He waited until he had given evidence to the RCMP, evidence that will become public in court. Huh? Care to reboot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Derek L Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 What part of keeping cards close to the vest is escaping you? He wanted for this to be done and over with (preumably like his bosses wanted) and he plauyed al;ong. Now not so much. If he has the good s (and I think he had enough) then we will see it come to light at the most favourable time for Duffy. BTW, want to play poker soon? Duffy left the CPC in May........between then and until faced with being given the boot, what circumstances have changed for him? And if you play Poker like Duffy...well on the face of it, sure, but will I need to lend you the money to ensure I receive my winnings? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacee Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 (edited) No, you suggested the CPC broke a law by paying the legal expenses of (at the time) one of it's members. What law was broken? I think this was posted ... Corruption and Disobedience: Bribery of judicial officers, etc 119. (1) Every one is guilty of an indictable offence andliable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding fourteen years who (a) being the holder of a judicial office, or being a member of Parliament or of the legislature of a province, directly or indirectly, corruptly accepts, obtains, agrees to accept or attempts to obtain, for themselves or another person, any money, valuable consideration, office, place or employment in respect of anything done or omitted or to be done or omitted by them in their official capacity, or ( directly or indirectly, corruptly gives or offers to a person mentioned in paragraph (a), or to anyone for the benefit of that person, any money, valuable consideration, office, place or employment in respect of anything done or omitted or to be done or omitted by that person in their official capacity. Duffy's on the hook too, and that's why he's singing, and so is whoever bought his silence. Was it Nigel Wright? The Conservative Party president? The PM/PMO? 14 years is a long time. . Edited October 28, 2013 by jacee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Derek L Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 119. (1) Every one is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding fourteen years who (a) being the holder of a judicial office, or being a member of Parliament or of the legislature of a province, directly or indirectly, corruptly accepts, obtains, agrees to accept or attempts to obtain, for themselves or another person, any money, valuable consideration, office, place or employment in respect of anything done or omitted or to be done or omitted by them in their official capacity, or ( directly or indirectly, corruptly gives or offers to a person mentioned in paragraph (a), or to anyone for the benefit of that person, any money, valuable consideration, office, place or employment in respect of anything done or omitted or to be done or omitted by that person in their official capacity. Duffy's on the hook, and whoever bought his silence. Was it Nigel Wright? The Conservative Party ? The PM/PMO? 14 years is a long time. . And what did the CPC gain by paying for the Senator's legal expenses well he was a member of the party? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacee Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 (edited) And what did the CPC gain by paying for the Senator's legal expenses well he was a member of the party? His silence while he was a senator. Edited October 28, 2013 by jacee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 And what did the CPC gain by paying for the Senator's legal expenses well he was a member of the party? certainly the Conservative Party of Canada wouldn't have paid Conservative Senator Duffy's legal tab... if Duffy had done anything wrong! Surely not! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Derek L Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 His silence. They hoped to gain his silence by paying for his lawyers? Silence from who? CPC party members that send donations? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 They hoped to gain his silence by paying for his lawyers? Say it ain't so... surely the CPC didn't pay the legal bill to cover "wrongdoings" by Duffy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacee Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 Say it ain't so... surely the CPC didn't pay the legal bill to cover "wrongdoings" by Duffy? Well it became a political embarrassment ya know.They tried to keep it quiet ... paid him off to be quiet. Oops! Crime! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 You'd think that would be something he'd have disclosed earlier on and not days before he's set to be booted from the Senate. I guess we'll see the evidence of these claims soon. All this from Duffy smacks of desperation though. Harper has come out aggressively in defense of his record here and has him up against the wall. It smacks more of someone who's playing his cards one at a time so that Harper can take all the rope he needs before the final inevitable jerk on the noose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topaz Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 You've yet to provide any evidence...and the Speaker is a Conservative, not a former. I stand corrected only on the Speaker is a Tory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topaz Posted October 29, 2013 Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 Don't you think with all the parties involved in this scandal, coming out and telling their side little by little that it would be better to say what they have to say a public senate hearing??? Duffy comes out and tells about the check the Tory lawyer paid his lawyer , then while watching CBC, Woodcock e-mails Simon to say the opposite of some of the facts Duffy was saying. Mass confusion and if that what the Tory are trying to create , its getting there. http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/duffy-says-tories-arranged-second-13-000-cheque-to-cover-his-legal-fees-1.1516457 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Derek L Posted October 29, 2013 Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 Don't you think with all the parties involved in this scandal, coming out and telling their side little by little that it would be better to say what they have to say a public senate hearing??? Duffy comes out and tells about the check the Tory lawyer paid his lawyer , then while watching CBC, Woodcock e-mails Simon to say the opposite of some of the facts Duffy was saying. Mass confusion and if that what the Tory are trying to create , its getting there. http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/duffy-says-tories-arranged-second-13-000-cheque-to-cover-his-legal-fees-1.1516457 I will hazard a guess that once Senators Duffy, Wallin and Brazeau are devoid of Parliamentary Privilege, new tales of cover-ups associated with members being forced to payback wrongful expense claims with others money, catty feminine infighting and wholesale bigotry towards First Nations, will all begin to wane….. Defamation suits can get expensive when one doesn’t have a steady income. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacee Posted October 29, 2013 Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 Don't you think with all the parties involved in this scandal, coming out and telling their side little by little that it would be better to say what they have to say a public senate hearing??? Duffy comes out and tells about the check the Tory lawyer paid his lawyer , then while watching CBC, Woodcock e-mails Simon to say the opposite of some of the facts Duffy was saying. Mass confusion and if that what the Tory are trying to create , its getting there. http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/duffy-says-tories-arranged-second-13-000-cheque-to-cover-his-legal-fees-1.1516457 Wow! Duffy's really going after "the PMO" "The links to the $90,000 payment and now the further $13,000 payment from the party lawyer to my lawyers show that this monstrous fraud was PMO's creation from start to finish," he claimed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topaz Posted October 29, 2013 Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 Think maybe the NSA could shred some light on what Harper knew since they are spying on Mexico, France etc.? Perhaps a little leak.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacee Posted October 29, 2013 Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 Think maybe the NSA could shred some light on what Harper knew since they are spying on Mexico, France etc.? Perhaps a little leak.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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