Rob Ford, mayor of Toronto UPDATES

[Black Dog]

Now RoFo is joining in to bash Bill Blair.

Goes to show how scummy RoDoFo are that they can make a piece of garbage like Blair look good.

[Spiderfish]

Im one who thinks lots of drugs should be legal.

I also think that a Mayor who is wasting his daytime work hours sourcing crack, drinking, not showing up for work should be booted.

I really dont care if Rob was tokin' up after hours or having a drink or two.

But thats a far cry from cavorting with hookers, drinking and drug use at city hall, being unavailable to his office due to hangovers and coming down off his high.

I do hope that clears things up.

There's nothing to clear up, really. My comment made no mention about hookers, absence from work, drinking in public, etc. I only referred to those who criticize him for his elicit drug use. You obviously have no problem with Ford's drug use, only the impact that results from it.

Of course, the general correlation between elicit drug use/abuse and unethical, immoral, or illegal behavior is pretty well identified and one of the main arguments against legalization of elicit drugs, so an argument could be made that your viewpoint is in itself contradictory.

[Black Dog]

There's nothing to clear up, really. My comment made no mention about hookers, absence from work, drinking in public, etc. I only referred to those who criticize him for his elicit drug use. You obviously have no problem with Ford's drug use, only the impact that results from it.

And why would anyone care otherwise about anyone's drug use if not for the impacts? My lord.

Of course, the general correlation between elicit drug use/abuse and unethical, immoral, or illegal behavior is pretty well identified and one of the main arguments against legalization of elicit drugs, so an argument could be made that your viewpoint is in itself contradictory.

Since drugs are illegal, any drug related activity is by definition illegal. Using that as a basis for arguing against legalization is a nice tautology.

[g_bambino]

You obviously have no problem with Ford's drug use, only the impact that results from it.

Of course, the general correlation between elicit drug use/abuse and unethical, immoral, or illegal behavior is pretty well identified and one of the main arguments against legalization of elicit drugs, so an argument could be made that your viewpoint is in itself contradictory.

You mean the correlation between illicit drug abuse and unethical, immoral, or illegal behaviour. Apart from the behaviour that stems from the fact the drugs are illegal, the unethical, immoral, or illegal behaviour relates to personal control, which is no different for the use of drugs that are already legal.

Ford can't control himself with either illegal or legal drugs.

[ed.: c/e]

Edited February 27, 2014 by g_bambino

[BubberMiley]

I think there's a grey area somewhere between locking someone in jail and electing them to high office.

[Spiderfish]

You mean the correlation between illicit drug abuse and unethical, immoral, or illegal behaviour.

Correct.

Apart from the behaviour that stems from the fact the drugs are illegal, the unethical, immoral, or illegal behaviour relates to personal control, which is no different for the use of drugs that are already legal.

I agree somewhat, although I have known many people who drink socially without a problem. I have known a couple of people who have struggled with crack use and resulting addiction and from what I have seen, there is no such thing as social crack use. Their loss of personal control under the influence of such a drug is unquestionable.

Ford can't control himself with either illegal or legal drugs.

[ed.: c/e]

I agree. He also appears to have difficulty controlling himself sober.

[Spiderfish]

And why would anyone care otherwise about anyone's drug use if not for the impacts? My lord.

I'm not sure, you'll have to ask Guyser.

It's hard to know how you could be in favour of legalizing hard drugs, but heavily critical of the social consequences.

Edited February 27, 2014 by Spiderfish

[Black Dog]

I'm not sure, you'll have to ask Guyser.

It's hard to know how you could be in favour of legalizing hard drugs, but heavily critical of the social consequences.

Because most of the social consequences of illegal drug use are byproducts of the illegality?

[Spiderfish]

Because most of the social consequences of illegal drug use are byproducts of the illegality?

Many of the social consequences resulting from drug use come from an impaired ability to make sound judgement and the loss of personal control that results. For example, many people who decide to drive drunk or high would not make the same decision sober.

Edited February 27, 2014 by Spiderfish

[PIK]

He didnt, nor was he supposed to, meet with anyone about mail boxes.

Nice try though.

Funny thing he brought it up.

[PIK]

Many of the social consequences resulting from drug use come from an impaired ability to make sound judgement and the loss of personal control that results. For example, many people who decide to drive drunk or high would not make the same decision sober.

George Smitherman must have been shooting up right in the office every day then.

[PIK]

You do realize Rob Ford associates with known criminals, hires known criminals and truly is a stupid person?

He is mayor and you are not ,so who is stupid. LOL

[Black Dog]

Many of the social consequences resulting from drug use come from an impaired ability to make sound judgement and the loss of personal control that results. For example, many people who decide to drive drunk or high would not make the same decision sober.

I'm fairly certain that's true given that sober person ipso facto cannot drive drunk/high.

What about social ills like the violence associated with the drug trade? I'd wager more people have died from that than have ever been killed by drunk drivers.

[Black Dog]

He is mayor and you are not ,so who is stupid. LOL

George Smitherman must have been shooting up right in the office every day then.

So clever.

Wait: are you Rob Ford?

[PIK]

So clever.

Wait: are you Rob Ford?

I can't tell a lie ,yes I am rob.

[Black Dog]

I can't tell a lie ,yes I am rob.

Then you can't be Rob.

[Spiderfish]

I'm fairly certain that's true given that sober person ipso facto cannot drive drunk/high.

No, not likely. I guess the term sober second thought has little merit and is simply derived from an implication of metaphorical impairment.

Do you think that drugs and alcohol impair sound, rational judgement or are you actually arguing against this notion?

[Black Dog]

No, not likely. I guess the term sober second thought has little merit and is simply derived from an implication of metaphorical impairment.

That would be how phrase is most often used, yes.Why that would mean the phrase has little merit is another argument,

Do you think that drugs and alcohol impair sound, rational judgement or are you actually arguing against this notion?

Of course they do. And?

[guyser]

Do you think that drugs and alcohol impair sound, rational judgement ...

No not all the time.

Excessive use or binge times certainly would. I expect that BD meant the same.

For example, I can have a few drinks or whatever and I certainly am not impaired enough to think I can fly (metaphorically)

[Spiderfish]

That would be how phrase is most often used, yes.

Used...yes. Derived??

Of course they do. And?

Okay. So these silly little play on words and opposition to the idea of drug use leading to negative social consequences is just a juvenile game of gotcha...you and I are actually on the same page. Got it.

[Black Dog]

Used...yes. Derived??

Sober means more than just "not inebriated" hey.

Okay. So these silly little play on words and opposition to the idea of drug use leading to negative social consequences is just a juvenile game of gotcha...you and I are actually on the same page. Got it.

I have no idea what the actual point you are trying to make. My point was and remains that there's no contradiction in favouring drug legalization and wanting Rob Ford to be out of office.

[Spiderfish]

My point was and remains that there's no contradiction in favouring drug legalization and wanting Rob Ford to be out of office.

Great...I agree! Rob Ford should be out of office.

But there is contradiction in favoring the legalization of hard drugs and criticizing and condemning Ford for his drug problems (ie. - addiction).

I think the point is that there are some on this board who condemn Ford for his drug problems, yet those same people champion the legalization of those same drugs.

[BubberMiley]

But there is contradiction in favoring the legalization of hard drugs and criticizing and condemning Ford for his drug problems (ie. - addiction).

No, there isn't. You can be in favour of legalization because it will eliminate the black market, thereby reducing income to gangs and making it more difficult for children to access them and develop these terrible habits. People aren't necessarily in favour of legalization because they think hard drugs are cool.

[guyser]

But there is contradiction in favoring the legalization of hard drugs and criticizing and condemning Ford for his drug problems (ie. - addiction).

No one is criticizing Ford for his drug use per se.

Its the distraction from his job, the missed days, the cavorting w slimeballs in underground garages or in schoolyards smoking up and pounding back 40 lb'ers that is the condemnation.

[WestCoastRunner]

No one is criticizing Ford for his drug use per se.

Its the distraction from his job, the missed days, the cavorting w slimeballs in underground garages or in schoolyards smoking up and pounding back 40 lb'ers that is the condemnation.

And let's not forget he is the mayor of the largest city in Canada. If I lived in Toronto my expectations of the mayor would include not participating in illegal drugs, especially crack, cavorting with criminals and not showing up for work in the morning because of hangovers.