"Anti-racist" is a codeword for anti-white

[Canuckistani]

Pretty easy to say when you don't face systemic barriers to advancement and opportunity.

And people in Canada don't, on the whole. How about requirements that applicants speak Mandarin - is that racism? Just one example. Or the anybody but white males hiring policies? We have strong laws against racism, and many avenues of recourse for those who feel they've been discriminated against. All groups of people are inherently "ist" they all feel their group is all that and others not so much. But in Canada, more so than pretty well any place I can think of, we've taken steps to prevent that inherent "ism" from being acted upon. A lot of these cries of racism are by the racism industry, people who make a good living off it. I'm not saying that no racism exists in Canada. I'm saying that the institutionalized stuff is at a very dull roar, and there's more non-white racism allowed to flourish because of white guilt and the racism that says non-whites can't be held to the same standard.

Edited December 17, 2012 by Canuckistani

[GreatJob!]

could it be because ours is a world in which there is systematic discrimination based on race http://www.owensound...ng-rolling-on-2

systematic discrimination by our news services: that through omission, ignore any non-white on white crimes, while sensationalizing white on black crimes : http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/299918/censored-race-war-thomas-sowell

Because we live in a world where the majority of all interracial crimes are committed by blacks (a 12% minority) against whites. http://www.judicialw...against-whites/

maybe its the interacial rape stats too?

U.S. Justice Department 2006 rape statistics URL: http://www.ojp.usdoj...df/cvus0602.pdf

Scroll to Table 42. --> 32,443 White women raped by black men, zero Black women raped by White men.

U.S. Justice Department 2005 rape statistics URL: http://www.ojp.usdoj...df/cvus0502.pdf

Scroll to Table 42. --> 37,460 White women raped by Black men, zero black women raped by White men.

U.S. Justice Department 2004 rape statistics URL: http://www.ojp.usdoj...df/cvus0402.pdf

Scroll to Table 42. --> 11,611 White women raped by black men, zero black women raped by White men.

U.S. Justice Department 2003 rape statistics URL: http://www.ojp.usdoj...df/cvus0302.pdf

Scroll to Table 42. --> 20,309 White women raped by black men, zero black women raped by White men.

and then theres the complete absence of advocacy that whites get... there is no white NAACP, no group that protects or defends the common interests of whites (in fact, these anti-racist groups would argue that whites cannot have common interests to defend, and should not benefit from the same freedom of association that they happily accord to other races), while there are THOUSANDS of groups in all areas of life: universities, labor unions, caucuses, civil rights organizations, governement that look after and defend the interests of visible minorities (which very often comes at the expense and dispossesion of whites).

and then you have the anti-racist groups, who sedulously ignore all these facts, and focus on largely imaginary "white racism"... and keep trying to blame every shortcoming of any minority on some distant white person... often times siding with openly racist organizations: such as Aztlan, La Raza and the New Black Panther party etc...

so the hypocrisy of these groups is staggering, and one would be hard pressed to ignore the inherent anti-white bias that permeates everything they do. In essense, they mascarade their open hatred and contempt for european culture, and "caucasians as a people" as anti-hatred.

Edited December 17, 2012 by GreatJob!

[cybercoma]

Affirmative action is a systemic barrier to advancement and opportunity. You think it's justified. Others don't.

When you control for other variables, the colour of a person's skinned or their perceived ethnic background still limits their opportunities, whilst there is no such limitation for those perceived to be white anglo-saxon. How do you address that problem then? Because there have been affirmative action programs and despite that immigrants and different racial minorities are still at a disadvantage in the job markets.

[GreatJob!]

When you control for what variable? where are you getting this information?

By "variables": did you mean college readiness, scientific, mathematical literacy? Because if you control for those, you see that many more minorities get PREFERENTIAL treatment... not "limited opportunities"... quite the contrary. Affirmative Action (in the US as in Canada) is bald, systematic government based discrimination based on race. Its a quotas system. And I still haven't heard anyone claiming that it was "necessary to break through the invisible glass ceiling" make even an attempt at showing how it isn't merely "head counting" racism. take the university of Michigan for instance:

Based on US census data, a hypothetical prospective applicant pool of 1,000 students from Michigan would include 141 African-Americans, 23 Asian-Americans, 796 European-Americans and 4 Hispanics. Bout of these, if we consider mathematics qualifying scores, we might expect to see approximately 10 African-Americans (the number who applied multiplied by the percent qualified), 14 Asian-Americans, 318 European-Americans, and perhaps 1 Hispanic student. Adding these numbers, it would mean that in merit-based admissions, out of the original applicant pool, 343 people were admitted, which is about 30% lower than the rate at which Michigan actually admits its students. Based on this, we would expect an average entering class would should be approximately 92% white, 4% Asian-American, 3% Black, and less than 1% Hispanic. According to data from 2009, the actual acceptance statistics were: 5.8% Black, 12.1% Asian, 65.0% white, 4.1% Hispanic, and 5.7% International, with about 7% of people declining to state their race.

[cybercoma]

Congratulations, Greatjob!. You can post out of context charts that you pick up off racist propaganda sites like http://www.ridingthetiger.org

What you don't post is that "less than 1 in 4 of ACT tested high school students meet all four criteria for college readiness" (ACT Report, p. 8).

The ACT is not the entrance exam for college either. It's used to measure how prepared students are by trying to determine the likelihood of them receiving a B+ or above in first year courses at college. In the context of race being linked to poverty in the US and the way their educational system is constructed, it's obvious that students in poorer districts will not receive the kind of training that the more affluent districts receive.

You don't want to control for poverty though because then we're back to the point that the study I linked to said and many other studies just like it. Racial and ethnic minorities are discriminated against when it comes to job hiring and promotions. This keeps them and their families in poverty and stops them from getting the type of education needed to be prepared for college. It's not specifically a black thing, as many of the hispanics that come to America are not black or African. They would be considered white hispanics. However, living in poor communities means their children are not getting the appropriate education to be prepared for college. This is spoken to on p. 19 of the report that says, "States should adopt a rigorous core curriculum for all high school students whether they are bound for college or work" (original emphasis). Anyone that has looked at education in the US knows there is a huge disparity between districts and it stems primarily from funding shortages in poor communities. It just so happens that blacks and hispanics tend to make up a large proportion of the poor communities, again due to systemic racism that makes it more difficult for them to get out of poverty.

The sad part is page 16 of the report that shows all of these kids have the same aspirations, regardless of race. Yet, the disparities in education between affluent and unfortunate communities shows that there is a systemic hurdles to advancement for them that they're not even aware of.

Data source: http://www.act.org/r...adiness2010.pdf

Also, taking half a second to dig a little further and find the original column, the author's assertions support mine.

The biggest issue, no doubt, is poverty. One of every three African-American children lives below the poverty line, more than triple the rate of white children. In addition, African-American children are much less likely to have college-educated parents, another factor correlated to academic achievement.

There also are a host of other factors, starting with differences in prenatal care, early childhood experiences and access to high-quality child care and preschool. For the most part, African-American students start kindergarten behind, and the gap grows as they progress through school, fueled by differences in parental expectations, school expectations, peer expectations, exposure to a challenging curriculum, access to high-quality after-school programs, even differences in television-viewing habits and how children spend their summers.

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The racial gap in ACT scores is basically addressed in two pages of a much larger report put out by ACT. But it’s a symptom — among many, many other symptoms — of an educational crisis.

source: http://www.mlive.com/opinion/kalamazoo/index.ssf/2010/08/column_blacks_lag_in_college_r.html

edit: added description of ACT measure of readiness

edit2: added link to mlive article

Edited December 17, 2012 by cybercoma

[PIK]

Multiculturism at it's finest. We are now starting to reap the rewards of it.

[guyser]

Multiculturism at it's finest. We are now starting to reap the rewards of it.

Better living conditions,healthier markets , better food!

Woot!

[Argus]

Pretty easy to say when you don't face systemic barriers to advancement and opportunity.

Like what? What 'systemic' barriers are there now in Canada? Usually when people use this term it means "I can't see it, but it has to be there because otherwise all those recent immigrants from Somalia who can't speak English would be bank presidents and CEOs!"

[Argus]

When you control for other variables, the colour of a person's skinned or their perceived ethnic background still limits their opportunities,

Really? Let's see a citation to that effect. A Canadian citation. Among the 'variables' which must be taken into account are Canadian education, and the fact the majority of non-whites (other than natives) are foreign born.

[Michael Hardner]

Lictor posted something like this a long time ago.

http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index.php?showtopic=14645&st=285#entry449902

I don't have time right now to read the data in question, but it looks like the same thing. Sampled surveys do not constitute the final numbers, they are representative only.

[cybercoma]

Like what? What 'systemic' barriers are there now in Canada? Usually when people use this term it means "I can't see it, but it has to be there because otherwise all those recent immigrants from Somalia who can't speak English would be bank presidents and CEOs!"

I posted a study earlier in the thread that outlines Canadian issues.

Here it is again for you.

http://dspace.cigilibrary.org/jspui/bitstream/123456789/24976/1/Working%20Precariously%20-%20The%20impact%20of%20race%20and%20immigrants%20status%20on%20employment%20opportunities%20and%20outcomes%20in%20Canada.pdf?1

Edited December 17, 2012 by cybercoma

[Argus]

I posted a study earlier in the thread that outlines Canadian issues.

Here it is again for you.

http://dspace.cigili...in Canada.pdf?1

I'm not reading the whole report without direction. The executive summary however, does not indicate that any allowances were made for the fact that most non-whites are immigrants. If that's the case the report is meaningless.

[cybercoma]

Most non-whites are immigrants? Do you have a source for that? And how far back do you want to go? Most whites are immigrants.

Edited December 18, 2012 by cybercoma

[Guest]

When you control for other variables, the colour of a person's skinned or their perceived ethnic background still limits their opportunities, whilst there is no such limitation for those perceived to be white anglo-saxon. How do you address that problem then? Because there have been affirmative action programs and despite that immigrants and different racial minorities are still at a disadvantage in the job markets.

I'm not denying that racism exists. I don't subscribe to the theory that racism can be split into "white racism" and "the rest racism", and I don't believe that the way to end discrimination is to discriminate against someone about whom it can only be assumed that their colour/race is an advantage, and for someone about whom it can only be assumed that their colour/race is a disadvantage.

[GreatJob!]

Most non-whites are immigrants? Do you have a source for that? And how far back do you want to go? Most whites are immigrants.

well, argus is correct obviously, the only source for non-white immigration started roughly 40-50 years ago... it follows that the overwhelming majority of non-whites are immigrants or 2nd gen immigrants. With the notable exception of first nations... SO yes probably 80% of the non-whites currently in canada are immigrants, the rest children of recent immigrants... with few exceptions.

Edited December 18, 2012 by GreatJob!

[bush_cheney2004]

well, argus is correct obviously, the only source for non-white immigration started roughly 40-50 years ago...

There was earlier non-white "immigration" from Canadian slaves, free blacks, escaped slaves (U.S.), Asian labourers, etc., well before 1960.

Edited December 18, 2012 by bush_cheney2004

[Moonlight Graham]

Affirmative action is a systemic barrier to advancement and opportunity.

True enough, but it's a systemic barrier to groups that have a systemic advantage over other groups, so it's goal is to even the playing field. That's not saying it's right though, personally I see both sides of it & haven't decided. It is inherently racist, sexist etc.

[Argus]

Most non-whites are immigrants? Do you have a source for that? And how far back do you want to go? Most whites are immigrants.

No, only a small percentage of whites are immigrants. The great majority of non-whites, however (excluding natives) are immigrants.

I think this is common knowledge. However, you can look at this statscan report, which turned up fairly high on google. It's about visible minority women, and states one in three were born in Canada. Unless you can develop a theory as to why the figures would be any different for men we can go with this. http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/89-503-x/2010001/article/11527-eng.htm

[Argus]

True enough, but it's a systemic barrier to groups that have a systemic advantage over other groups, so it's goal is to even the playing field. That's not saying it's right though, personally I see both sides of it & haven't decided. It is inherently racist, sexist etc.

All too often the goal is seen as equality of results, not equality of opportunity.

[jacee]

Those who deny that systemic racism/xenophobia still creates barriers in Canada are intentionally in denial, and are part of the problem.

How do you explain a black man in the country long enough that he's lost his Caribbean lilt, university educated here, well qualified, promising phone inteerview, gets to the waiting room for face-to-face interview ... and is told the position is already filled ... by a very embarrassed secretary: Interview cancelled and the boss wouldn't even show his face.

Systemic racism is everywhere in Canada.

He didn't need any special consideration, just a fair chance, but he didn't get it.

[Canuckistani]

Those who deny that systemic racism/xenophobia still creates barriers in Canada are intentionally in denial, and are part of the problem.

How do you explain a black man in the country long enough that he's lost his Caribbean lilt, university educated here, well qualified, promising phone inteerview, gets to the waiting room for face-to-face interview ... and is told the position is already filled ... by a very embarrassed secretary: Interview cancelled and the boss wouldn't even show his face.

Systemic racism is everywhere in Canada.

He didn't need any special consideration, just a fair chance, but he didn't get it.

Nice story.

[GreatJob!]

Those who deny that systemic racism/xenophobia still creates barriers in Canada are intentionally in denial, and are part of the problem.

How do you explain a black man in the country long enough that he's lost his Caribbean lilt, university educated here, well qualified, promising phone inteerview, gets to the waiting room for face-to-face interview ... and is told the position is already filled ... by a very embarrassed secretary: Interview cancelled and the boss wouldn't even show his face.

Systemic racism is everywhere in Canada.

He didn't need any special consideration, just a fair chance, but he didn't get it.

what was the point of this comment? seriously

[cybercoma]

No, only a small percentage of whites are immigrants. The great majority of non-whites, however (excluding natives) are immigrants.

I think this is common knowledge. However, you can look at this statscan report, which turned up fairly high on google. It's about visible minority women, and states one in three were born in Canada. Unless you can develop a theory as to why the figures would be any different for men we can go with this. http://www.statcan.g...e/11527-eng.htm

I'm not going to dig through the report, but what age group did they survey here? Is this strictly over 18? I'm curious if it's skewed by age. I find it hard to believe that the majority of non-whites are immigrants, when immigration is less than 1% of our population growth.

[Argus]

I'm not going to dig through the report, but what age group did they survey here? Is this strictly over 18? I'm curious if it's skewed by age. I find it hard to believe that the majority of non-whites are immigrants, when immigration is less than 1% of our population growth.

Why would you find it hard to believe? Where do you LIVE anyway? Nine times out of ten when I encounter a visible minority member their English is heavily accented. And it's not 1% of our population growth. It's actually MOST of it. It was 1% of our POPULATION, though that has fallen back a bit of late.

Edited December 19, 2012 by Argus

[Guest]

True enough, but it's a systemic barrier to groups that have a systemic advantage over other groups, so it's goal is to even the playing field. That's not saying it's right though, personally I see both sides of it & haven't decided. It is inherently racist, sexist etc.

Like I said in my reply to Cybercoma,

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...and I don't believe that the way to end discrimination is to discriminate against someone about whom it can only be assumed that their colour/race is an advantage, and for someone about whom it can only be assumed that their colour/race is a disadvantage.

It's not that racism doesn't exist, it's that it exists here far less than it does in other parts of the world (opinion - no links) and the way to fight it is to continue to outlaw discrimination.