Mass shooting

[punked]

AW is giving the "Report" button a workout today.

I find it funny that she loves the second amendment but that first one can go F*&$ itself.

[Argus]

Yeah, I"m brainwashed. I don't have a mind of my own like you so obviously do.

Yes, that was my point.

[Guest]

AW is giving the "Report" button a workout today.

How do you know? Is a poster notified if their post is reported?

[Argus]

As an interesting side note, I read that one of the reasons Japan has been able to carry out its strict laws regarding gun ownership is because Japanese people are less likely to question authority. Is that a good thing? Apparently not:

Japan has been able to carry out its strict laws because it's an island (duh) and its nearest neighbor is a dictatorship where guns are also not very widely available. As far as questioning authority, that's simply silly given that Americans are the world's most obsequious people to real authority.

And I don't mean politicians since they are mere employees, I mean to the princes of Wall Street. Anyone with money gets so much respect I imagine you guys curtsying or tugging your forelock whenever a rich man drives by in his stretch limo.

[Argus]

Because Japan was held up as a shining beacon compared to the U.S.,

As far as civility and lack of violence and crime it certainly is. Mind you, many nations could as easily be used, such as the Nordic countries, or Canada for that matter.

Edited December 24, 2012 by Argus

[Bonam]

Anyone with money gets so much respect I imagine you guys curtsying or tugging your forelock whenever a rich man drives by in his stretch limo.

Sounds like you should go visit the US before letting your imagination get carried away.

[bush_cheney2004]

We changed the whole world because of 9/11 we didn't just say "Oh well nothing we can do," like American womens seems to think is what we should be doing here. Just small changes could solve a lot of the problem.

And a lot of people here bitched about those "changes", and still do.

[bush_cheney2004]

No one can tolerate the murder of school children because the alternative might mean miner changes for themselves. Again it isn't condemning if you refuse to do anything to change the situation it is tolerating.

And yet you stated that it is "different" and quite tolerable to accept gang related gun homicides for bystander children (in their own homes). How do you reconcile this ?

Edited December 24, 2012 by bush_cheney2004

[Wilber]

Clearly, suicide is not the same as murder and if it is part of this discussion at all, it would be in the context of murder suicide. In 2011 the US had 812 incidents of murder suicide. I don't know how many victims that would include but Japan on the other hand had 442 homicides total.

[cybercoma]

How do you know? Is a poster notified if their post is reported?

No, but when the majority of your warning points come from discussions with a particular poster and no one else, you get a pretty good idea.

[bush_cheney2004]

As far as civility and lack of violence and crime it certainly is.

Millions of Chinese may not agree with that, especially the dead ones.

[bush_cheney2004]

Sounds like you should go visit the US before letting your imagination get carried away.

No, it's not safe. Everybody is packing heat !

[Guest American Woman]

And a lot of people here bitched about those "changes", and still do.

Exactly, as I've pointed out. I've also pointed out the changes that have been made in our gun laws, which apparently has gone unnoticed by some. I've never said "oh well nothing we can do" - that I "seem to think it is what we should be doing here" is only a figment of punked's imagination.

We can't take box cutters on airlines any more, but guns were banned on flights prior to 9-11. We've got air marshals on some planes, but a suggestion to do something similar in schools seems to be rejected by those who are complaining that we are doing nothing to protect the children.

[Guest American Woman]

Millions of Chinese may not agree with that, especially the dead ones.

I know people in China who definitely don't agree.

Odd that what the Japanese did during WWII doesn't seem to be considered today by some, yet we are violent people because of what Americans did in 1776.

[cybercoma]

Anything to divert attention away from the current and very real issue of violence in America. Truly sad.

[bush_cheney2004]

.... We've got air marshals on some planes, but a suggestion to do something similar in schools seems to be rejected by those who are complaining that we are doing nothing to protect the children.

Of course, as one of the reasons the schools are so vulnerable is that guns are banned on school grounds even in right-to-carry states. Now that thinking has to be revisited.

[Guest]

No, but when the majority of your warning points come from discussions with a particular poster and no one else, you get a pretty good idea.

How many warning points do you have? I only ask because I have one, and I thought I was hard done by.

Edit> Last question. I don't mean to divert the thread.

Edited December 24, 2012 by bcsapper

[bush_cheney2004]

Anything to divert attention away from the current and very real issue of violence in America. Truly sad.

America is a violent place...always has been. The first move was to violently rid ourselves of you guys !

[bush_cheney2004]

How many warning points do you have? I only ask because I have one, and I thought I was hard done by.

Edit> Last question. I don't mean to divert the thread.

Don't worry about warning points....you have lost your warning point virginity. Welcome to the club.

[GostHacked]

This thread has gone beyond derailed.

[punked]

And a lot of people here bitched about those "changes", and still do.

Yet we did for one terrorist attack never mind thousands of attacks a year. I am saying the whole system changed yet we can't even have a discussion about guns. That is a crazy standard.

[punked]

We can't take box cutters on airlines any more, but guns were banned on flights prior to 9-11. We've got air marshals on some planes, but a suggestion to do something similar in schools seems to be rejected by those who are complaining that we are doing nothing to protect the children.

Yep so in response we banned all weapons. So banning everything from nail cutters to guns on plane is just fine with the right, it prevents deaths but the same sorts of solutions can't even be discussed in response to this? That is wrong.

[bush_cheney2004]

Yet we did for one terrorist attack never mind thousands of attacks a year. I am saying the whole system changed yet we can't even have a discussion about guns. That is a crazy standard.

Does this mean you want President Bush back ?

[bush_cheney2004]

Yep so in response we banned all weapons. So banning everything from nail cutters to guns on plane is just fine with the right, it prevents deaths but the same sorts of solutions can't even be discussed in response to this? That is wrong.

Box cutters and knives are not constitutional rights.

[punked]

Of course, as one of the reasons the schools are so vulnerable is that guns are banned on school grounds even in right-to-carry states. Now that thinking has to be revisited.

You can't make that statement because the government has defunded any study that would prove such a thing. That is an opinion at best. Maybe the NRA should push for the government to study gun violence, they wont because like the cigarette lobby they know what they will find they wont like and they have millions of people who will tell you cigarettes don't cause cancer. It took 80 years to get the government to admit that one.