First nations patiences waning

[g_bambino]

Your view is uncanadian.

You said there is no Canada; the Crown (as successor to a foreign invader) has no legitimate right to soverignty over these lands and the people on them.

The first nations who compromise 10% of Canada's population...

You said aboriginals are not Canadians, they're a sovereign people apart from Canada.

[shortlived]

LOL...a tiny few still hunt & trap as per the old days. Includes Bald Eagles...not good eating...but the Chinese will pay top dollar for their corpses.

Why do the OPP use convoys when they arrest someone on reserve?

How many land disputes have occurred where lethal force was used or the military was put on notice or called out?

there are instances where the rcmp has surrounded meetings of natives in large numbers.

Lots of natives have been in jail with all our bad guys..

If these "natives" are so tranquil, why do those things happen?

Why is the CF intelligence and counter intelligence operating on first nations groups?

I have met quite a few natives who still hunt, much like I have met lots of people who hunt, BUT the important thing here is as I said, many northern (remote) first nations actively hunt as part of their lifestyle.

Edited February 26, 2013 by shortlived

[DogOnPorch]

Why do the OPP use convoys when they arrest someone on reserve?

Dunno...I don't live in Ontario and the so-called 'Native Indians' in that region are mostly of mixed ancestry after several hundred years of contact with the evil white man.

[DogOnPorch]

So...chickening out are you? Can't say it in plain English? Yeah...that statement would normally get you banned from this site. But I don't report folks for mere 'horn blowing'. Blow away.

[shortlived]

So...chickening out are you? Can't say it in plain English? Yeah...that statement would normally get you banned from this site. But I don't report folks for mere 'horn blowing'. Blow away.

What are you talking about?

[shortlived]

You said there is no Canada; the Crown (as successor to a foreign invader) has no legitimate right to soverignty over these lands and the people on them.

You said aboriginals are not Canadians, they're a sovereign people apart from Canada.

no I said they have dual sovereignty/nationality /in some cases multisoveriegnty/nationality

this isn't monolithic society, people can have rights stemming from multiple nationalities. Canadian citizenship and the charter only applies to Canadian citizens for citizens protections, it does not nullify the rights granted through crown treaties with other sovereignties.

Just bear in mind.

Natives have vehicles.

Edited February 26, 2013 by shortlived

[Canuckistani]

What does the Charter have to do with it? The Canadian Crown has dominion over, well, Canada: see the Royal Proclamation 1763, a part of the constitution.

The Supreme court has said that FN's hold rights over their traditional lands. (In BC, more than 100% of land is claimed by FN's) The charter specifically gives aboriginals extra rights - I believe this lies at the heart of the Supreme's decision. They may not say the FN's own the land outright, but meaningful consultation gives them a lot of blackmailing power. Time to change the charter to say all Canadians have equal rights, no matter their ancestry.

[DogOnPorch]

What are you talking about?

You: Why don't you get a nice set of antlers and do the world a favour.

Be brave.

[shortlived]

You: Why don't you get a nice set of antlers and do the world a favour.

Be brave.

http://www.lufa.ca/news/news_item.asp?NewsID=6669

I didn't say run off into the woods at night.

Dude you advocated might is right, I suggested you get your head checked out, and sized.

Nothing cowardly in that.

Edited February 26, 2013 by shortlived

[DogOnPorch]

Yeah...you're just a coward. Don't say it if you're not going to do it. Scuttle away and pretend you meant something else.

[shortlived]

Yeah...you're just a coward. Don't say it if you're not going to do it. Scuttle away and pretend you meant something else.

People like you are just jealous cause they weren't in line first.

You are a line butter.

Hey if you want to put antlers on and run off into the woods so I can shoot you, you know accidents do happen, but you know I'm not going to actually suggest I shoot you. I said if you want to support might is right and call on the natives to defend their land claims, then I wouldn't be upset or feeling that something criminal had happened if you got shot infringing on native land claims, afterall it is what you advocate for.

Use your head while you still got it.

You know I'm not saying go get shot, but I am saying if you want natives to use force to protect their land claims, don't expect me to cry for you.

The point is simple if the fundamental was native militancy and homicide to protect their claims people like you would be dead.

The antlers would just make life easier for people in that context.

Edited February 26, 2013 by shortlived

[DogOnPorch]

People like you are just jealous cause they weren't in line first.

Again...your behavior is very cowardly. Don't wish death on fellow posters unless you're prepared to face all the consequences. You can always say you're sorry and all will be forgiven...this time.

[shortlived]

Again...your behavior is very cowardly. Don't wish death on fellow posters unless you're prepared to face all the consequences. You can always say you're sorry and all will be forgiven...this time.

Oh that's it.

[DogOnPorch]

Oh that's it.

So...is that a 'no' to an apology re: wanting me dead?

[shortlived]

So...is that a 'no' to an apology re: wanting me dead?

as if.

get your head checked you aren't interpreting words properly.

Edited February 26, 2013 by shortlived

[DogOnPorch]

as if.

So your comment: "Why don't you get a nice set of antlers and do the world a favour." stands? You want me dead and I should just take it in stride, eh?

[shortlived]

So your comment: "Why don't you get a nice set of antlers and do the world a favour." stands? You want me dead and I should just take it in stride, eh?

So your comment: "Why don't you get a nice set of antlers and do the world a favour." stands?

LWTF, dude, I sincerely hope you aren't as stupid as you are appearing to me.

You'd probably jump into a highway by accident rather than living conditions, or sincere pitty for those who havn't tasted your delicious flesh, totally spoiling your meat or alteast a good chunk of it.

get a clue the point is, might is right gets people killed. If anyone is getting volunteered people suggesting militancy and violent insurrection should be the first in line to experience it.

What exactly am I suppose to be apologizing for, my morality?

Edited February 26, 2013 by shortlived

[DogOnPorch]

Your statement: "Why don't you get a nice set of antlers and do the world a favour." still stands.

[Michael Hardner]

Everybody - implied threats will not be tolerated, nor will - of course - overt threats.

Please stick to the debate - be clear on your points and move on past the side issues.

[DogOnPorch]

Everybody isn't making death threats.

[GostHacked]

WIP- I don't care if we're extinct in a few centuries or not, I'll be dead so it won't matter much to me. I honestly really don't care about that at all.

Yeah who gives a crap about the continuity of the human race. Why even have kids then? What are you going to leave behind for your children?

[shortlived]

Yeah who gives a crap about the continuity of the human race. Why even have kids then? What are you going to leave behind for your children?

It is a valid point. That is like saving money and not taking on a deficit. Government always deficit spends you can't expect them to have the interest of the future in mind with that mentality.

I think only the liberals during the last government were able to not deficit spend and manage a surplus budget. Something the Tories have never done.

If those economically conservative people can't balance the budget, how can you expect them to balance the environment for the future.

Edited February 26, 2013 by shortlived

[GostHacked]

You: Why don't you get a nice set of antlers and do the world a favour.

Be brave.

You also told me to to hug a suicide bomber. I doubt you are upset at all about his statement.

[GostHacked]

It is a valid point. That is like saving money and not taking on a deficit. Government always deficit spends you can't expect them to have the interest of the future in mind with that mentality.

I think only the liberals during the last government were able to not deficit spend and manage a surplus budget. Something the Tories have never done.

If those economically conservative people can't balance the budget, how can you expect them to balance the environment for the future.

We live in a society where our governments only plan for the next 4-8 years or up to the next election. There is no long term plan. And no with this mentality we surely won't survive this generation, let alone the next few.

[jacee]

Why can't fn people get jobs instead of relying on handouts ?

For FN as elsewhere, the vast majority of welfare recipients - 80% - are single mothers (absent fathers) with preschool children. It's cheaper for the gov to provide welfare than daycare. Most receive welfare for 3 years or less.