Gay "in denial"....and Gay-to-straight theraphy

[g_bambino]

How would you know that therapy is all about telling them they're straight?

How about you tell me, since you titled this thread, in part, "Gay-to-straight therapy" [sic].

[Black Dog]

How about you tell me, since you titled this thread, in part, "Gay-to-straight therapy" [sic].

Bah ha ha.

[g_bambino]

It may not be about telling someone that they're gay though.

Sure, it may not. But it may be.

It's absurd to think that someone would be so damaged from oppression that they are quite simply petrified of admitting that they are straight.

Probably. Though, there are people who identified themselves as "gay" and joined in the community of others who identify the same way, but subsequently felt afraid (I wouldn't go so far as to say "petrified") to admit to anyone in that community that they actually do still have "straight" feelings.

It all comes down to a fear of rejection from a community that one either feels safe in or thinks they have no alternative to. Though, of course, I don't intend to equate a person who knows they'll likely face rejection by execution, should their inner homosexual desires or activities be discovered by the wider community, with someone who thinks they'll face rejection by exile from a community they sought out and once felt and still feel mostly safe in.

[T]elling someone they're gay and in denial is a way of offering support and letting them know that they don't have to repress their feelings any longer.

Telling someone they're gay and in denial is exactly the kind of arrogant presumption I've been referring to. How is it you know they're "gay" better than they do? Yes, support can be provided by way of letting a person know their feelings don't need to be repressed, around you, anyway. But, if they're telling you they harbour homosexual feelings and/or desires or have been secretly having homosexual sex, they're obviously not in denial of those facts. And having or doing those things does not automatically make someone "gay", so they don't have to identify themselves that way and be deemed deniers if they don't. If you assume you know what sexual orientation someone is, you're very likely to be wrong, and if you insist that someone align themselves with that wrong assumption, that will only lead to more complications for both of you.

[ed.: c/e, +, sp]

Edited December 18, 2012 by g_bambino

[Rue]

Obviously we're talking about people with possible psychological issues. You are ignoring that fact.

Betsy how is something obviously possible? Do you read what you write. If something is possible, i.e., psychological issues. they would not be obvious they would only be possible.

You might want to work on that. Logic is not one of your strengths when conversing.

Something else Besty. You clearly have an agenda. You make the pronouncement being gay is a psychological illness.

Uh yah you have said that many times. So?

Where do you go with that? You have decided to be a purveryor of what is mentally acceptable behaviour.

So same sex relationships between consenting adults is out with you.

Then what?

You seem to have appointed yourself adjudicator of sexual normalicy. That's nice. Does it come with a uniform? Do you get a special pointed hat

or special shoes or something?

Tell you what Besty. You remain fretful about gays. Run your life calling them mentally ill. Have it dominate your days and nights.

You do that.

For someone like me and I venture to say the majority of us, we believe gay people are born that way. Some people are born with big noses as well and then people come along similiar to you and insist if they have a big nose they are Jewish.

Its called stereotyping Betsy and you have many stereotypes of gays.

You make a lot of assumptions about gay people.

Now me I listen to you and you sound no different then some people do on this forum talking about Jews, Israelis, Muslims, Christians, women,

etc. The group stereotyped changes but out trot the stereotypes.

You know what Betsy. Go take every forum thread by the names "Bud" and 'Hudson Jones" and replace the names Jew, Israeli, or Zionist with gay.

Presto sounds just like you.

Now see that is why Besty I have no time of day for you, gay people, straight people. all kinds of people who do what you. Can't stand all of you righteous morally judging hate mongers. I would love to place you all on a small island and leave you there.

Gay person: So let me get this straight, you don't believe gay people are normal.

Straight person: Yes of course, I find that hard to swallow coming from you.

Gay person: Of course you would.

Straight: In Amsterdam there is a lot of that thing.

Gay Person: Yes I hear the Netherlands in general has many dykes.

Straight: I bet you are a Zionist Jew too.

Gay: I don't know anything about Hymans.

Straight: Yah and you people live in a ghetto.

Gay: Yes pape and Danforth, I just love Greektown

Straight: Who writes your material anyways.

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[g_bambino]

I venture to say the majority of us, we believe gay people are born that way.

That would be the overly simplistic view on the matter. As such, you're probably right that it's what most people believe.

[betsy]

How about you tell me, since you titled this thread, in part, "Gay-to-straight therapy" [sic].

Read all my posts.

[betsy]

Betsy how is something obviously possible? Do you read what you write. If something is possible, i.e., psychological issues. they would not be obvious they would only be possible.

Your logic is askew. Perhaps you ought to scroll back and read my posts.

[g_bambino]

Standard betsy response when she has no response.

[guyser]

Your logic is askew. Perhaps you ought to scroll back and read my posts.

And your logic is nowhwere to be found.

Why not address the title, the link you based it on doesnt back you up, there is no coversion from gay to straight, they dont even attempt to do that anyway,

But here you are, 19 pages in and you still cant figure that out

We read your posts, you have not the slightest f'ing idea what you are talking about. Still SOS I see.

[cybercoma]

Gay person: So let me get this straight, you don't believe gay people are normal.

Straight person: Yes of course, I find that hard to swallow coming from you.

Gay person: Of course you would.

Straight: In Amsterdam there is a lot of that thing.

Gay Person: Yes I hear the Netherlands in general has many dykes.

Straight: I bet you are a Zionist Jew too.

Gay: I don't know anything about Hymans.

Straight: Yah and you people live in a ghetto.

Gay: Yes pape and Danforth, I just love Greektown

Straight: Who writes your material anyways.

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Man. This is some comedic genius right here. Bravo.

[cybercoma]

That would be the overly simplistic view on the matter.

Rue's writing for his audience.

[cybercoma]

Your logic is askew.

You have absolutely no place judging anyone's logic.

[Moonlight Graham]

I'm going to try to go completely and ridiculously gay over the next week and see if I can change. I'll let you all know the results.

Update: It didn't take.

[betsy]

Standard betsy response when she has no response.

No. It's the standard betsy response to the same dysfunctional thinking process and reasonings of a bunch of people.

Like I said....one response fits all!

[g_bambino]

It's the standard betsy response to...

...a question put to you. "Oh, the answer is somewhere back in among all my posts; you look; I won't tell you where." You've done it in other threads too, when cornered.

[betsy]

...a question put to you. "Oh, the answer is somewhere back in among all my posts; you look; I won't tell you where." You've done it in other threads too, when cornered.

Whatever.

[cybercoma]

[g_bambino]

Update: It didn't take.

Must be some crappy conversion therapy you tried. Did you get gang banged in the sling at the local bathhouse? No, I bet not; otherwise you'd be mincing around in silver short-shorts and a leather cap right now.

[g_bambino]

Whatever.

Bzzzzzt!

So sorry. But, thanks for playing.

[Sleipnir]

Like I said....one response fits all!

There is no such thing as 'one response fits all'

[WIP]

Cultures undergoes changes all the time, what are you talking about?

I'm talking about conservatism and resistance to change. Why didn't you read the following sentence?

[Rue]

Rue's writing for his audience.

Lol yes. I am not sure if they are "my" audience though. They turn very quickly. Its murder trying to do stand up these days.

All people want to talk about are gun shootings.