Peter F Posted December 17, 2012 Report Posted December 17, 2012 (edited) His dad came to Canada and used his citizenship as a get out of jail free card, his sons although born here are just using Canada for the same kinds of reasons...get out of jail free card and free healthcare... I doubt any of those animals have ever worked a day in their life that has in some even small and significant way benefited Canada. Canadian citizenship is a get out of jail free card? That is contradicted by all the canadians sitting in jail. and of course they get free healthcare - all Canadians get free healthcare. Canadians kill Canadians but few "Canadians" would like to kill all Canadians that don't believe in their bullshit. Thankfully nature and their own stupidity and ignorance is taking them out of the gene pool one by one... We all get taken out of the gene pool one by one. To support logins point, I have not seen one shred of evidence to support the claim that Ahmed Kadr was a terrorist. As Omars lawyer said, such contentions seem more like folklore than fact. Edited December 17, 2012 by Peter F Quote A bayonet is a tool with a worker at both ends
jbg Posted December 17, 2012 Report Posted December 17, 2012 Well said. I just don't understand the selective and emotional outburst by people like peeves that are so void of facts and logic. Then, when it's spelled out for them, they respond with a stare and a return to the same illogical outburst. Are you saying there is anything praiseworthy about the Khadrs? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Bonam Posted December 17, 2012 Report Posted December 17, 2012 Are you saying there is anything praiseworthy about the Khadrs? They did a good job getting their younger son involved in the family business... continuing the fine tradition and all. Quote
Signals.Cpl Posted December 17, 2012 Report Posted December 17, 2012 Canadian citizenship is a get out of jail free card?That is contradicted by all the canadians sitting in jail. Get out of Pakistani jail free card, get out of American jail free card you know that sort of thing. and of course they get free healthcare - all Canadians get free healthcare. Yeah but not every Canadian goes and fights for a terrorist organization and get themselves injured fighting essentially against their country only to run back to that country and use its healthcare system. We all get taken out of the gene pool one by one. Yeah but luckily for us Abdulkareem Khadr was taken out of the gene pool and it is almost guaranteed he will never reproduce another one of those animals. To support logins point, I have not seen one shred of evidence to support the claim that Ahmed Kadr was a terrorist. As Omars lawyer said, such contentions seem more like folklore than fact. Do you support genocide like login? So he was a great man, and Omar Khadr chose to go to Afghanistan and fight the Americans? If the father was not a terrorist then Omar went against his parents wishes and thus he should be treated like an adult because he made an adult decision against his parents wishes right? Quote Hope for the Best, Prepare for the Worst
guyser Posted December 17, 2012 Report Posted December 17, 2012 His dad came to Canada and used his citizenship as a get out of jail free card, his sons although born here are just using Canada for the same kinds of reasons...get out of jail free card and free healthcare... I doubt any of those animals have ever worked a day in their life that has in some even small and significant way benefited Canada. IOW....still wrong on facts. Ok. Quote
Signals.Cpl Posted December 17, 2012 Report Posted December 17, 2012 IOW....still wrong on facts. Ok. Care to explain where I am wrong? Quote Hope for the Best, Prepare for the Worst
guyser Posted December 17, 2012 Report Posted December 17, 2012 Care to explain where I am wrong? Well theres this... they come to Canada get citizenship and use that citizenship as a get out of jail free card twice already plus for the healthcare as well... and then ... His dad came to Canada and used his citizenship as a get out of jail free card, his sons although born here are just using Canada for the same kinds of reasons...get out of jail free card and free healthcare Quote
Signals.Cpl Posted December 17, 2012 Report Posted December 17, 2012 Well theres this... [/size][/font][/color] and then ... [/font] His father got Canadian citizenship Right or wrong? His son was born in Canada but lives most of his life outside right or wrong? One of his sons was injured in I believe the same incident where the father died and is now in Canada because our healthcare is better than Both Pakistan and Afghanistan right or wrong? Omar Khadr used his Canadian Citizenship as a get out of jail free card, if he was an Afghan citizen or a Pakistani Citizen he would still rotting in Guantanamo bay for at least another 30 years Right or Wrong? What I have seen about this animals is that they use Canadian citizenship to move throughout the world and fight against us and our allies only to run to Canada when they need to be bailed out. 5 sons, 1 is crippled, another has admitted to buying weapons for al-Quida, Omar POS Khadr killed a US soldier while fighting against NATO and Canada, another son worked for terrorists and now is apparently American informant or something and 1 son has been using Canadian healthcare since birth. Did I miss anything? From Canada they have taken everything and given nothing, they only use Canada as a safe haven for medical treatment or when one of them gets caught... Quote Hope for the Best, Prepare for the Worst
jacee Posted December 18, 2012 Report Posted December 18, 2012 Omigod ... a bunch of cows chewing over the same old cud ... pages and pages ... Obsession: An obsession is an unwelcome, uncontrollable, and persistent idea,thought, image,or emotion that a person cannot help thinking even though it creates significant distress or anxiety. ... Obsessions relate to problems that most people would consider far removed from normal,daily events and concerns. http://www.minddisorders.com/Ob-Ps/Obsession.html Get a life folks! Quote
jbg Posted December 26, 2012 Report Posted December 26, 2012 Gitmo was a resort for them, now he is in a real prison, he may wish he never came back. I bet he won't be there for long. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
jacee Posted February 28, 2013 Report Posted February 28, 2013 Validity of Khadr's guilty plea in doubt Globe and Mail-4 hours ago Appeals court rulings that tossed out the convictions of two al-Qaeda operatives mean that Omar ... I'd appreciate it if someone who can get past the paywall would post a significant paragraph or two. Quote
eyeball Posted February 28, 2013 Report Posted February 28, 2013 A new American court ruling in favour of Osama bin Laden's driver has cast doubt on the validity of Omar Khadr's war crimes convictions, legal experts said Wednesday. Even so, they said, several factors make it essentially impossible for Khadr to have his convictions before a military commission in Guantanamo Bay set aside. Those factors include his guilty pleas, his waiver of his appeal rights, and the murky legal nature of his most serious crime: murder in violation of the law of war. However, the ruling could potentially help him win parole in Canada. http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2012/10/17/omar-khadr-war-crimes-doubts.html Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
jacee Posted February 28, 2013 Report Posted February 28, 2013 Thanks eyeball. It won't change anything, but this is interesting: "Killing a combatant with a grenade is pretty central non-violation of law-of-war conduct," said Madeline Morris, an international law expert and professor at Duke Law School in Durham, N.C. "It's not any murder in violation of the law of war that was ever recognized." To get around that snag, critics argue, the Military Commissions Act under which Khadr was tried created a new offence to retroactively criminalize what he'd done based on his lack of a uniform. Quote
Army Guy Posted February 28, 2013 Report Posted February 28, 2013 Thanks eyeball. It won't change anything, but this is interesting: "Killing a combatant with a grenade is pretty central non-violation of law-of-war conduct," said Madeline Morris, an international law expert and professor at Duke Law School in Durham, N.C. "It's not any murder in violation of the law of war that was ever recognized." To get around that snag, critics argue, the Military Commissions Act under which Khadr was tried created a new offence to retroactively criminalize what he'd done based on his lack of a uniform. It is if you are a combatant... There must be more to your quote than that, to put it into context.... ....But if you are a non combatant, or an illigal combatant, Murder is just that murder.....these rules are to protect civilians, pick up a wpn in a war zone means your a target, that can be legally engaged or arrested to face war crimes...Kadr was both.... But under the Genva convention can you or MR Kadr defense team show us or prove he was a combatant.....The convention is very clear, inter national law is clear, and so is our federal laws...Had his defense team had any proof he was a combatant they'd would have played that card. How'd they make out.... Non Combatant rules have been around since the first draft of the convention, it is nothing new...what is new is the illigal combatant rules.....and it was not just a lack of uniform the list is alittle longer than that...again spelled out in the convention..of who is and who is not a combatant.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
shortlived Posted February 28, 2013 Report Posted February 28, 2013 (edited) It is if you are a combatant... There must be more to your quote than that, to put it into context.... ....But if you are a non combatant, or an illigal combatant, Murder is just that murder.....these rules are to protect civilians, pick up a wpn in a war zone means your a target, that can be legally engaged or arrested to face war crimes...Kadr was both.... But under the Genva convention can you or MR Kadr defense team show us or prove he was a combatant.....The convention is very clear, inter national law is clear, and so is our federal laws...Had his defense team had any proof he was a combatant they'd would have played that card. How'd they make out.... Non Combatant rules have been around since the first draft of the convention, it is nothing new...what is new is the illigal combatant rules.....and it was not just a lack of uniform the list is alittle longer than that...again spelled out in the convention..of who is and who is not a combatant.... If combatants are breaking the "rules of war" then what is the issue with noncombatants doing the same? The Syrian 'Terrorists' are fighting a just cause.. while you just put on blinders when you see pages like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_war_crimes or http://www.policymic.com/articles/24164/a-list-of-children-killed-by-drone-strikes-in-pakistan-and-yemen How exactly are people suppose to resist if the government has been destroyed by the invading country.. quite a bit of rhetoric here. People have the right to self preservation and defence against acts of lethal force directed at them. It just doesn't fly... kids playing by the road are a security risk so the humanitarian and law abiding west must blow them up with a missile to protect people... because the rules of war let invading countries blow up children that are standing near a road... uhm think again on your double standard here. recent Marine Times article ran the alarming headline “Some Afghan kids aren’t bystanders” on December 3, reporting on the death of three children in Afghanistan. They were apparently targeted by a U.S. military drone because they appeared to be digging a hole in a road. Since when do 3 young children require marine air support? Has something changed in the fighting capacities of the US marine forces I'm not aware of? | as many as 98% of those killed by drone strikes are civilians.| can you imagine that in order for police to arrest two cirminals they kill 98 civillians.. that is so humane. Based upon that ratio in order to kill the Canadian military you could exterminate the entire population of Canada or the entire US population to defeat the US military. Edited March 1, 2013 by shortlived Quote My posts are sometimes edited to create spelling errors if you see one kindly notify me. These edits do not show up as edits as my own edits do, so it is either site moderation, or third party moderation. This includes changing words completely. If a word looks out of place in a message kindly contact me so I can correct it. These changes are not exclusive to this website, and is either a form of net stalking by a malicious hacker, or perhaps government, it has been ongoing for years now.
DogOnPorch Posted March 1, 2013 Report Posted March 1, 2013 And again we can ask that delicate question: What's a civilian in Waziristan? A region where gun production is the number one industry. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
jbg Posted March 1, 2013 Report Posted March 1, 2013 And again we can ask that delicate question: What's a civilian in Waziristan? A region where gun production is the number one industry. I wonder whether those people do anything productive. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
DogOnPorch Posted March 1, 2013 Report Posted March 1, 2013 I wonder whether those people do anything productive. Well...I think that vid sort of explains the drone strikes. Pakistan attacked into South Waziristan...the Taliban moved to North Waziristan. Now Pakistan has cold feet...worried about being drawn into their own Viet-Nam. So they sit there. America urges action. None happens...voila drone. The local reaction is interesting. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
eyeball Posted March 1, 2013 Report Posted March 1, 2013 But under the Genva convention can you or MR Kadr defense team show us or prove he was a combatant... Yes except it's child combatant, a distinction that makes him a victim of war. You're actually cheering for the wrong side in his case. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
shortlived Posted March 1, 2013 Report Posted March 1, 2013 (edited) Well...I think that vid sort of explains the drone strikes. Pakistan attacked into South Waziristan...the Taliban moved to North Waziristan. Now Pakistan has cold feet...worried about being drawn into their own Viet-Nam. So they sit there. America urges action. None happens...voila drone. The local reaction is interesting. that and perhaps it is a semi autonomous tribal area and always has been... It is the same reason why nato forces dont need to be in Afghanistan for over 10 years, it isn't Canada or other memberstates, and nato is suppose to be a defensive organization. Afghanistan ain't part of NATO. Why are we spending money picking favorites in the region? What is the geopolitical gain I am missing? (other than training) It is only increasing the scale of civil war once the bulk of nato forces are gone next year. http://www.capebretonpost.com/News/Canada%20-%20World/2013-02-27/article-3185841/Afghans-worry-about-international-aid-vacuum-after-2014-troop-withdrawal/1 Edited March 1, 2013 by shortlived Quote My posts are sometimes edited to create spelling errors if you see one kindly notify me. These edits do not show up as edits as my own edits do, so it is either site moderation, or third party moderation. This includes changing words completely. If a word looks out of place in a message kindly contact me so I can correct it. These changes are not exclusive to this website, and is either a form of net stalking by a malicious hacker, or perhaps government, it has been ongoing for years now.
DogOnPorch Posted March 1, 2013 Report Posted March 1, 2013 that and perhaps it is a semi autonomous tribal area and always has been... No...it, like Pakistan itself, had been part of successive Hindu Empires for centuries. It was the Mughals that totally changed the religious demographics of the area. Remember, there were no Muslims in India before the 7th century. Islam had been gnawing away at the frontiers since nearly its creation. It was the Sepoy Rebellion that finally broke the back of Mughal rule over the sub-continent. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Army Guy Posted March 1, 2013 Report Posted March 1, 2013 (edited) If combatants are breaking the "rules of war" then what is the issue with noncombatants doing the same? Then combatants should be charged with war crimes period, and most are....The media is full of NATO pers charged with breaking them, including Canadian Capt Semeau, along with a long list of US service pers. The Issue with Non Combatants is for their protection, get rid of the rules and you will open it up for armies to ethic cleanse entire nations....Civilians will have no protection at all... How exactly are people suppose to resist if the government has been destroyed by the invading country.. quite a bit of rhetoric here. People have the right to self preservation and defence against acts of lethal force directed at them. The rules are simple, resist and you become a illegal combatant,and face war crimes.... Want to resist join the F...ing Military....it's really that simple.... It just doesn't fly... kids playing by the road are a security risk so the humanitarian and law abiding west must blow them up with a missile to protect people... because the rules of war let invading countries blow up children that are standing near a road... uhm think again on your double standard here. No double standard, there is no age limit on illigal combatants period....., Understanding how the enemy thinks and works and you'll begin to understand why the Rules of engagement are what they are....digging a hole in the road is how they place IED's. The bad guys often use children in all aspects of their fight....Look an Omar as one example.... On my first tour in Afghan a small boy on a bike was peddling towards us, one of the guys noticed he was crying....we checked it out through our rifle scopes......One of the local terrorists had straped a explosive vest on him and told him to drive his bike towards our check piont, he would then detonate the device...at 200 meters out we noticed the vest, ...at 100 meters the Sgt in charged ordered us to engage him...all 4 of us reluctantly did , i live with that every night, one of the many ghosts that Afghan has given me..... , the blast wave flattened everyone, 2 out of us 4 were injured, but alive...the Boy was 5 same age as my son at the time...go figure.... Want to shed some tears pick another side , hey try something new shed some tears for our side....How about the little girl that i shared my lunch with, her father was exicuted in front of her, she had both arms cut off with a dull knife....her crime, going to school....she was 6 years old when the Taliban did that to her...she was 12 when we had lunch, and still going to school....want to know why...because NATO soldiers patrol that area daily....a blistering 15 km patrol in plus 50 degree heat,with over 80 lbs of kit which after our lunch i did gladly every day for 3 months.... War is hell, and if we did not abide by those few rules that are in place, hell would be a sunday picnik with the walton family.... Edited March 1, 2013 by Army Guy Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
shortlived Posted March 2, 2013 Report Posted March 2, 2013 No...it, like Pakistan itself, had been part of successive Hindu Empires for centuries. It was the Mughals that totally changed the religious demographics of the area. Remember, there were no Muslims in India before the 7th century. Islam had been gnawing away at the frontiers since nearly its creation. It was the Sepoy Rebellion that finally broke the back of Mughal rule over the sub-continent. Dude you don't seem to have a clue what you are talking about. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pashtun_people Quote My posts are sometimes edited to create spelling errors if you see one kindly notify me. These edits do not show up as edits as my own edits do, so it is either site moderation, or third party moderation. This includes changing words completely. If a word looks out of place in a message kindly contact me so I can correct it. These changes are not exclusive to this website, and is either a form of net stalking by a malicious hacker, or perhaps government, it has been ongoing for years now.
DogOnPorch Posted March 2, 2013 Report Posted March 2, 2013 Islam is a religion...not a group of people. There was a period before Islam if you decide to check a history book. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
shortlived Posted March 3, 2013 Report Posted March 3, 2013 (edited) Islam is a religion...not a group of people. There was a period before Islam if you decide to check a history book. What does Islam have to do with the war in Afghanistan? They are all Muslims, what is your point, it is the tribes that matter, not the religion. The tribal areas in Northern Pakistan and Afghanistan are Pashtun tribal regions.. and they have remained semi autonomous forever. You seem to just be bringing in the stupid factor and saying because they are Muslims there are no autonomous areas. Quick mention some terrorists to further validate your nonsensical statements You should see why this is important given the next Afghan election, which will be problematic to have karzai a virtual dictator for over 10 years.... (Regardless of the real story) That time around there should only be around 15,000 nato troops ensuring the elections are undemocratic and rigged. Even a woman is running this time, imagine if she were to win.......... http://www.thestar.com/news/world/2013/02/20/afghanistans_fawzia_koofi_will_stand_in_presidential_elections.html (if you have any clue what is really going on... you will see how greatly this is from the real story) Edited March 3, 2013 by shortlived Quote My posts are sometimes edited to create spelling errors if you see one kindly notify me. These edits do not show up as edits as my own edits do, so it is either site moderation, or third party moderation. This includes changing words completely. If a word looks out of place in a message kindly contact me so I can correct it. These changes are not exclusive to this website, and is either a form of net stalking by a malicious hacker, or perhaps government, it has been ongoing for years now.
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