Khadr allways catches my attention in the news.

[Guest Peeves]

It never surprises me the number of Canadians that take any mention of his name, incarceration or trial as an opportunity to condemn Americans in some way.

They will go to great extremes to expound on what "American soldiers have done, " when an article is clearly about what Khadr or the Khadrs have done. As if somehow what Khadr did, his father or brother or family has done can be excused,minimized or diminished by what someone else may or may not have done.

I wonder had the NATO soldier killed been a Canadian, Frenchman, Brit or any citizen of another NATO-UN force been killed by a Canadian ally, would those coming to Khadrs defense in some way have been as understanding?

I also wonder why the military man fighting with NATO (UN) troops is not identified as a NATO soldier killed by a Canadian terrorist supporter?

It often seems the press, the critics go out of their way (to me) to condemn the UN-NATO victim (country) and hug the Canadian that killed a NATO ally?

Now the treatment of Khadr is one thing and up for discussion, but the initial issue is the Khadrs were giving aid and assistance to Canada's enemy. A Canadian family was supporting the terrorists and A Canadian familly was indeed fighting against our country and allies.

Why then is the home country of the dead soldier often used in a manner demeaning whilst the behavior of a (traitor) family fighting and doing their level best to kill an ally obfuscated by condemning the USA?

Khadrs are traitorous Canadians by me. Americans and other NATO-UN troops are contrawise allies. If there is a story about the Khadrs, (in Canada),watch next time and see how someone will use it to condemn, not the UN, Not the NATO forces, but singularly the Americans.

I just encountered that again in MaCleans magazine. Have you seen similar examples...

NATO assumed control of ISAF in 2003. ISAF includes troops from 42 countries, with NATO members providing the core of the force.^[20] The stated aim of the invasion was to find Osama bin Laden and other high-ranking al-Qaeda members to be put on trial, to destroy the organization of al-Qaeda, and to remove the Taliban regime which supported and gave safe harbor to it. In 2003, Taliban forces started an insurgency campaign against the democratic Islamic Republic and the presence of...........

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[Guest American Woman]

Do you have a link? I'd be interested in reading the article. And I've often wondered about the same things you do ....

[GostHacked]

They will go to great extremes to expound on what "American soldiers have done, " when an article is clearly about what Khadr or the Khadrs have done. As if somehow what Khadr did, his father or brother or family has done can be excused,minimized or diminished by what someone else may or may not have done.

Well if there had been express doubt of the soldiers actions that led up to the capture of Kadhr, then yes their actions have to be considered. If the accounts were falsified in any way, and there is evidence that leads to a few discrepancies in their accounts (like how could someone throw a grenade when partially buried in rubble). So yes they do need to be scrutinized. This does not absolve Kadhr of his crimes (which I think are still in question no matter how it is framed), but actions and reactions need to be considered.

Maybe the US soldiers should have double tapped him like the incident in the Iraqi Mosque. Or torture him like the US soldiers did at Abu-Garib. or wisk him off to some CIA facility like .. oh wait . they did .. Gitmo.

Canada was quite mad at the USA when the F-16 pilot had bombed a group of Canadian soldiers based on some bad orders based on bad intel. Cannot recall what happened to that pilot.

[Topaz]

Gosthacked, this is what happened to the pilot. He was fined and he can't fly anymore. I wonder if he could fly for a private airlines. http://topics.nytimes.com/topics/reference/timestopics/people/s/harry_schmidt/index.html

[eyeball]

It never surprises me the number of Canadians that take any mention of his name, incarceration or trial as an opportunity to condemn Americans in some way.

They will go to great extremes to expound on what "American soldiers have done, " when an article is clearly about what Khadr or the Khadrs have done. As if somehow what Khadr did, his father or brother or family has done can be excused,minimized or diminished by what someone else may or may not have done.

Speaking for myself, I think his mother's sorry ass should be hauled into court where she should face the war crime of indoctrinating a child soldier.

the initial issue is the Khadrs were giving aid and assistance to Canada's enemy

Are you sure it's not about diminishing, excusing, or minimizing how we've chosen as a people and a nation to vilify and hold accountable a child for the crimes his parents and other adults committed? There's not much point in condemning American's when we've got enough things to be ashamed of ourselves.

So what are you saying exactly, that torturing and depriving a kid of his Charter rights and committing war crimes against him is mice-nuts compared to condemning American's?

[Guest Peeves]

Speaking for myself, I think his mother's sorry ass should be hauled into court where she should face the war crime of indoctrinating a child soldier.

Are you sure it's not about diminishing, excusing, or minimizing how we've chosen as a people and a nation to vilify and hold accountable a child for the crimes his parents and other adults committed? There's not much point in condemning American's when we've got enough things to be ashamed of ourselves.

So what are you saying exactly, that torturing and depriving a kid of his Charter rights and committing war crimes against him is mice-nuts compared to condemning American's?

Yes I'm sure. In what I cite.

What I'm saying does not go to the treatment or Omar Khadr but that when the Khadr name is in the press, father, son(s), that reference the activities they were (some) involved in, there will be usually some excuse made to attack the USA.

The most recent example has been lost to history unfortunately, but reading an old Oct issue of MaCleans brought it back to mind. There was pro and con on the Omar case and most letters were from both sides of the issue..I.E. he confessed, he was nearly 16, he was a child soldier, he was making bombs ,his father was a terrorist, he was a terrorist etc.

Bu t the usual attack on America cropped up as it does so often when there's opportunity.

Excerpt;

Isn't it a farce how Khadr is held in prison for killing an American soldier!

How many American soldiers have killed without punishment...etc.

Hans Schleper Ontario.

Now the occasional reproof over a countries soldiers behavior is understandable, but what was at point was the Khadars, Omar's return to Canada. Again a NATO soldier was killed (confessed to by Khadr) by a citizen of another NATO country...

And I ask again, Were it A CANADIAN soldier, NATO member killed by Khadr would it be treated differently, and Since IT Was a NATO soldier why chose that opportunity, as in other cases I've read,to condemn American soldiers?

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[Guest Peeves]

Do you have a link? I'd be interested in reading the article. And I've often wondered about the same things you do ....

I can't provide a link, sorry, it's an impression I have. It's something I have noticed. The USA is often singled out for finger pointing which is ok, with fact, but with innuendo it is just too easy and irks me.

[Guest American Woman]

I can't provide a link, sorry, it's an impression I have. It's something I have noticed. The USA is often singled out for finger pointing which is ok, with fact, but with innuendo it is just too easy and irks me.

Ok - thanks for the clarification. I can't say that I disagree with your impression.

[eyeball]

What I'm saying does not go to the treatment or Omar Khadr but that when the Khadr name is in the press, father, son(s), that reference the activities they were (some) involved in, there will be usually some excuse made to attack the USA.

That's because when Omar Khadr's name comes up its usually attended with an appeal to give all our attention to some notion that a soldier was murdered as opposed to killed, in a battle, in a war, where people, even the putative good guys, are normally expected to be killed - than the fact that our country denied a Canadian child his charter rights - a child that was allegedly being tortured and having other war crimes committed against him by our allies. The real issue is we've, well people like you and our government I should say, have gone to some really extreme lengths to excuse, minimize and diminish that fact.

Just like you're doing, again, with this pathetic thread and it's weepy pity-the-poor-dead-American/Nato/Canadian-soldiers-shtick, I'm afraid they're nothing compared to what our governments have been doing to this poor kid and his name. I don't know about anyone else but I'd be extremely ashamed to be held up as an excuse that was intended to diminish or minimize that.

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[Guest Peeves]

That's because when Omar Khadr's name comes up its usually attended with an appeal to give all our attention to some notion that a soldier was murdered as opposed to killed, in a battle, in a war, where people, even the putative good guys, are normally expected to be killed - than the fact that our country denied a Canadian child his charter rights - a child that was allegedly being tortured and having other war crimes committed against him by our allies. The real issue is we've, well people like you and our government I should say, have gone to some really extreme lengths to excuse, minimize and diminish that fact.

Just like you're doing, again, with this pathetic thread and it's weepy pity-the-poor-dead-American/Nato/Canadian-soldiers-shtick, I'm afraid they're nothing compared to what our governments have been doing to this poor kid and his name. I don't know about anyone else but I'd be extremely ashamed to be held up as an excuse that was intended to diminish or minimize that.

OK by you he's a hero and those Taliban- al Qaeda -terrorist suppressors of women,acid throwing in girls faces, demolisher of other religions icons,

are the good guys.

If you read the lengthy psychiatric interviews and of the bomb making deeds of the16 near year old 'child soldier' (he wasn't), that which he admitted to, and feel he is justified,Canada-USA to be condemned, then I suggest you need help.

The lack of remorse for attacking our NATO allies, the support of his father's commitment to Osama, and his families behavior en toto, and still feel he deserves your compassion then you are probably one that hates what democracy stands for.

Omar deserves no consideration or compassion. He, his family and their cause is an abomination. As Canadians they embarrass me and should any that value democracy and justice.

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[Guest American Woman]

So is Khadr still in maximum security in Ontario? I can't help but wonder if the thought he was going to be released once he was back in Canada.

[Guest Peeves]

The guy and his family are enemies of Canada and democracies values yet when his name is mentioned it's often usede in opportunity to denigrate the West, the USA in particular. That is sickening.

http://www.torontosu...ral-culpability

The prosecution psychiatrist testified that Khadr showed no signs of remorse, although he apologized to the widow of Speer for the pain he had caused her. That’s big of him.

Khadr also said his eight years in prison had taught him “the beauty of life.” Nobody knows if this beauty applies just to his own life at the exclusion of those who don’t share his jihadist tendencies.

Still, those who would accommodate Khadr remain transfixed by the fact he was so young when he took another’s life.

In doing so, they have slim regard for history and the role of children in warfare. Maybe I can help.

Adolf Hitler’s last public appearance came on his 56th birthday when he left his bunker to decorate 12-year-old Hitler Youth soldiers with Iron Crosses for their heroism in the defense of Berlin. The little boys were filmed staring at him with worshipful admiration. They were then sent back out into the streets to continue killing.

In Cambodia, Pol Pot used tens of thousands of child soldiers to maintain his regime. They stood guard over workers and in some cases were required to execute members of their own family suspected of disloyalty to the leader.

I know this for a fact because I have interviewed former child guards in Phnom Penh who worked in that city’s Tuol Sleng prison where at least 20,000 people died in the name of Pol Pot’s agrarian revolution.

The ones I talked to admitted to being perfectly aware of what moral choices they were making at such a young age in murdering innocent people.

In Africa today, child soldiers remain a sad but common feature in the various conflicts across the continent. Children as young as 10-years-old have been known to take up arms in Chad, Rwanda, Somalia, Sudan and the Democratic Republic of Congo.

Ditto Afghanistan. Most — but not all — of these are child warriors are prisoners. They don’t choose to voluntarily travel across the world in search of a fight as terrorist Omar Khadr did. They grew there. Khadr flew there.

Finally, here’s a chilling notion to consider.

If this self-confessed jihadist hadn’t been captured and eventually found his way back to Canada, would he have been considered ripe by his handlers to commit an act of terror on Canadian soil?

We’ll never know until war criminal Omar Khadr tells us himself.

[Guest Peeves]

So is Khadr still in maximum security in Ontario? I can't help but wonder if the thought he was going to be released once he was back in Canada.

"

Khadr is now in Millhaven top security jail in Ontario waiting for authorities to decide how best to handle his case. He will be eligible for parole in mid-2013.

“It’s a very, very difficult [transition] right now. It’s a horrible place, Guanatanamo is, but it’s a place where he had built a life for himself, it was what he was familiar with, it was what he knew,” Khadr lawyer John Norris told the Canadian Broadcasting Corp.

“All of that has now been left behind — his pictures, his books, his letters from his family … packed up in boxes and he has no access to them right now. It was a struggle for him just to get a novel to read,” he said.

Public Safety Minister Vic Toews, referred to him as a convicted terrorist on Saturday and said Canadians needed to be protected while he was in jail."

I'm sure with opportunity those that might consider him a martyr will flock to his side and learn from the well indoctrinated convicted terrorist.

He can of course instruct on the Koran which he memorized, but too on making ieds and anything else he learned while in the company of terrorists like his dad.

[Guest American Woman]

So life is worse for him in Millhaven than it was at Guanatanamo? Talk about ironic. I'm sure there are a few here who won't have anything to say about that.

It will be interesting to see what happens when he comes up for parole - which is really just around the corner.

[Guest Peeves]

So life is worse for him in Millhaven than it was at Guanatanamo? Talk about ironic. I'm sure there are a few here who won't have anything to say about that.

It will be interesting to see what happens when he comes up for parole - which is really just around the corner.

It will be interesting to see which mosque he attends. From reading over a few years, there are differences in the views of certain mosques and the politics of the attendees.

Also, the return to? His mom's-sisters- or...?

His mom and sister's are dyed in the wool Islamist supporters.

Probably costing tax payers thousands as has Omar.

[Guest]

That's because when Omar Khadr's name comes up its usually attended with an appeal to give all our attention to some notion that a soldier was murdered as opposed to killed, in a battle, in a war, where people, even the putative good guys, are normally expected to be killed -

That's the reason he should not be released until the war is over. POWs are not.

I never could understand the fuss about Khadr. Keep him locked up and see he gets his red cross parcels.

[GostHacked]

That's the reason he should not be released until the war is over. POWs are not.

I never could understand the fuss about Khadr. Keep him locked up and see he gets his red cross parcels.

What war? Canada has not officially declared war on Afghanistan. So ... what war?

[Guest]

What war? Canada has not officially declared war on Afghanistan. So ... what war?

Didn't the Americans lock him up.

[GostHacked]

Didn't the Americans lock him up.

This does nothing to answer my question. Is Canada officially at war with Afghanistan? Was there ever a point during this conflict in which Canada officially declared war on Afghanistan?

[Guest]

This does nothing to answer my question. Is Canada officially at war with Afghanistan? Was there ever a point during this conflict in which Canada officially declared war on Afghanistan?

What does Canada have to do with it?

He was fighting Americans and they captured him.

[Guest American Woman]

No one declared war on Afghanistan. "Afghanistan" didn't commit the 9-11 attacks.

[Signals.Cpl]

This does nothing to answer my question. Is Canada officially at war with Afghanistan? Was there ever a point during this conflict in which Canada officially declared war on Afghanistan?

Seeing as Canada was in Afghanistan at the request of the Government of Afghanistan why would we need to declare war on Afghanistan?

[Guest Peeves]

Seeing as Canada was in Afghanistan at the request of the Government of Afghanistan why would we need to declare war on Afghanistan?

Plus the UN and NATO had something to address there.

[jacee]

It never surprises me the number of Canadians that take any mention of his name, incarceration or trial as an opportunity to condemn Americans in some way.

It never surprises me the number of times you start a thread presenting what you perceive - or prefer - as the opposing view, so you can attack your own strawman.

[Peter F]

What does Canada have to do with it?

He was fighting Americans and they captured him.

That is correct...and the americans very specifically decided that people such as OK are not to be granted the status of POW's ergo no holding to end of imagined 'war'. Incarcerated - charged with crime - tried is the proper way to go, as the geneva conventions require non-pows who commit crimes in areas under military jurisdiction.