Should Canada be funding the P.A.

[Guest Peeves]

Western democracies are considered enemies by the regimes of many countries receiving hand outs. Why would Canadian dollars go to orgs. that we are critical of as the P.A. ?

I think we should fund those that want to overthrow our enemies. I'm pretty sure our dollars fund schools teaching hate in the West Bank.

http://www.ottawacit...8982/story.html

Canada’s five-year, $300-million commitment formally expires early next year, and is therefore under review. The Palestinian aid money goes toward strengthening its justice system, private-sector economic development, and health and education assistance.

Read more: http://www.ottawacitizen.com/business/Canadian+Palestinians+chopping+block+after+vote/7638982/story.html#ixzz2DpM9NuWw

[DogOnPorch]

No.

[Guest]

They just got $400 million or so from Qatar. That ought to cover them for a while.

[Bonam]

No, we should not be funding them.

[scribblet]

No funding until they all recognize Israel's right to exist and no funding until they agree not to spend it on arms and war.

[Bonam]

No funding until they all recognize Israel's right to exist and no funding until they agree not to spend it on arms and war.

Why? It should be no funding regardless. Canada benefits in no way at all from giving money away to things like the PA. We have plenty of things that we could spend $300 million on at home far more beneficially for Canadians.

[blueblood]

Why? It should be no funding regardless. Canada benefits in no way at all from giving money away to things like the PA. We have plenty of things that we could spend $300 million on at home far more beneficially for Canadians.

Agreed, we can look at Asia vs. Africa when they were both on par on the poverty scale. One went the government funding route, one went with foreign investment. One has many people joining the middle class, one is still rife with poverty...

[cybercoma]

I've got a question for you guys, since it's a non-starter that we be giving money to the regimes that label us as enemies: Should we be providing support to innocent civilians that need it, even if their regimes label us as enemies?

[Bonam]

I've got a question for you guys, since it's a non-starter that we be giving money to the regimes that label us as enemies: Should we be providing support to innocent civilians that need it, even if their regimes label us as enemies?

I am generally opposed to the government spending money on foreign aid, whether it is given to foreign governments, or to non-government organizations that try to help civilians, innocent or otherwise. Now, providing aid around the world to people that need it is a noble cause, and people can donate to charities and organizations that support such causes. But it is not something that I believe should be done by our government, it should be spending its revenues on programs that benefit Canadians, not other people elsewhere around the world.

[wyly]

Western democracies are considered enemies by the regimes of many countries receiving hand outs. Why would Canadian dollars go to orgs. that we are critical of as the P.A. ?

I think we should fund those that want to overthrow our enemies. I'm pretty sure our dollars fund schools teaching hate in the West Bank.

http://www.ottawacit...8982/story.html

Canada’s five-year, $300-million commitment formally expires early next year, and is therefore under review. The Palestinian aid money goes toward strengthening its justice system, private-sector economic development, and health and education assistance.

Read more: http://www.ottawacit...l#ixzz2DpM9NuWw

and what enemies do we have peeves? what kind of spooks are you conjuring up?...it's precisely this type of thinking that created so much distrust in the third world of the west...

[wyly]

No funding until they all recognize Israel's right to exist and no funding until they agree not to spend it on arms and war.

Israel doesn't recognize the palestinian right to statehood ever....oh the hypocrisy...

a quote courtesy of HJ-

Likud Party Platform from the 15th Knesset

Self-Rule

The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river.

The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs.

Edited December 1, 2012 by wyly

[cybercoma]

I am generally opposed to the government spending money on foreign aid, whether it is given to foreign governments, or to non-government organizations that try to help civilians, innocent or otherwise. Now, providing aid around the world to people that need it is a noble cause, and people can donate to charities and organizations that support such causes. But it is not something that I believe should be done by our government, it should be spending its revenues on programs that benefit Canadians, not other people elsewhere around the world.

A sensible response.

[wyly]

give the PA apache attack copters, missile drones, the iron dome, nukes....if israel won't negotiate in good faith let them negotiate with an equally armed PA...

[login]

All foreign aid should come from private donations. This is not specific to Palastine though.

Countries running debts shouldn't be giving direct funding to other countries.

They shuold be paying their own bills first. Leave it to the rich companies earning profits to donate and provide jobs.

Now if the UN established a better system to distributing aid to countries with human rights needs then sure aid should be given but only for human rights reasons but it should be given equally by all who have the ability, likewise direct food and other froms of aid should be given instead if there are surpluses..

Edited December 1, 2012 by login

[cybercoma]

Bonam disagrees, but the problem with charitable donations is that they're all over the place and disorganized. Each individual charity is organized to its own ends, but sometimes you need large scale organization to address bigger problems. The best way to do that is through the government, not scattered throughout charitable organizations that aren't all pulling in the same direction.

[login]

Bonam disagrees, but the problem with charitable donations is that they're all over the place and disorganized. Each individual charity is organized to its own ends, but sometimes you need large scale organization to address bigger problems. The best way to do that is through the government, not scattered throughout charitable organizations that aren't all pulling in the same direction.

I disagree.

We just need better charities and better donors.

[Bonam]

Bonam disagrees, but the problem with charitable donations is that they're all over the place and disorganized. Each individual charity is organized to its own ends, but sometimes you need large scale organization to address bigger problems. The best way to do that is through the government, not scattered throughout charitable organizations that aren't all pulling in the same direction.

Care to provide some peer-reviewed data demonstrating the superior efficacy of government aid compared to private aid? It should also be noted that there are charity organizations that operate on similar or even larger scales than government programs, such as the Gates foundation, and thus have all the same benefits of "large scale organization".

[Guest]

I wonder what percentage of charitable donations/foreign aid actually gets to those it is supposed to help. Probably not a large percentage.

[cybercoma]

Care to provide some peer-reviewed data demonstrating the superior efficacy of government aid compared to private aid? It should also be noted that there are charity organizations that operate on similar or even larger scales than government programs, such as the Gates foundation, and thus have all the same benefits of "large scale organization".

There's all kinds of aid that charities can't provide, for instance, military security and debt relief.

[login]

There's all kinds of aid that charities can't provide, for instance, military security and debt relief.

why not?

[jbg]

Western democracies are considered enemies by the regimes of many countries receiving hand outs. Why would Canadian dollars go to orgs. that we are critical of as the P.A. ?

As Karl Marx accurately said capitalists would sell murderers the rope to hang them. The slight variation is that now we give the rope away to create equality.

[August1991]

I've got a question for you guys, since it's a non-starter that we be giving money to the regimes that label us as enemies: Should we be providing support to innocent civilians that need it, even if their regimes label us as enemies?

There are some 7 billion people in the world, many of them are "innocent civilians" in dire straits. Should, or even can, Canadian taxpayers help them all? We must choose among the most-deserving.

I am generally opposed to the government spending money on foreign aid, whether it is given to foreign governments, or to non-government organizations that try to help civilians, innocent or otherwise.

That sounds reasonable but a trifle naive. Our own governments distribute taxpayer's money locally to buy votes. IOW, the Canadian government distributes largesse abroad to advance its interests. If I were a federal politician, I would certainly consider the impact on my chance for re-election of any money CIDA spends. It is hard not to see this turn into a slush fund.

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To return to the OP, I get depressed when I see how our governments spend our tax money. For politicians and bureaucrats, it is "other people's money" and easy to spend. On balance, I think that we should cut our various subsidies to the Palestinian Authority.

Go to any grocery store in Canada and watch ordinary people buying food. They look at packages, compare prices. Some day in the future, someone ingenious will devise a mechanism so that governments spend taxpayer money the same way.

Edited December 2, 2012 by August1991

[cybercoma]

There are some 7 billion people in the world, many of them are "innocent civilians" in dire straits. Should, or even can, Canadian taxpayers help them all? We must choose among the most-deserving.

I agree with you. I didn't say we could or even should help them all.

[PIK]

give the PA apache attack copters, missile drones, the iron dome, nukes....if israel won't negotiate in good faith let them negotiate with an equally armed PA...

That is what Israeli's is all about, negotiations.It is the other side that won't. How do you negotiate with someone that wants you dead. Get rid of hamas and the others that do not want peace and peace will happen. I bet alot of palastines are not happy with hamas and how they do things , but unfortunitly they can complain.

[wyly]

That is what Israeli's is all about, negotiations.It is the other side that won't. How do you negotiate with someone that wants you dead. Get rid of hamas and the others that do not want peace and peace will happen. I bet alot of palastines are not happy with hamas and how they do things , but unfortunitly they can complain.

how do negotiate with some who invades your home, you don't the police remove them...did the allies negotiate with the germans when they had their little lebensraum movement?...