Hudson Jones Posted November 29, 2012 Report Share Posted November 29, 2012 Despite Canada and a handful of other countries' stance, the vote will go through because an overwhelming majority of the world will vote yes. It's mostly a symbolic vote but it's also quite a historic vote. France will be voting "yes" on Palestine statehood. Other European countries who will vote "yes" are Spain, Norway, Denmark, Switzerland and Austria. The U.K. had said they'd vote yes on the condition that Palestine does not file anti-Israeli cases at the International Criminal Court. Palestinians have said: "We will not give up any rights which the status gives us. We are equal people to those others who have this status, including the right to go to the ICC,". So it looks like the U.K. will abstain. The pro-Israeli prime minister of Australia was set to vote "no", but her party pressured her not to. Looks like they will be abstaining. More on this: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/nov/28/palestine-date-un-vote-abbas-analysis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
login Posted November 29, 2012 Report Share Posted November 29, 2012 (edited) Hi hudson, a no vote is a mistake for Canada, and does not represent the Canadian publics view. Israel has committed war crimes and should be held accountable just like the US and Canada. Its disgusting NATO is an organization that supports war crimes and human rights abuses such as Israel commits. One can't expect peace when the standards existing violate human rights. Edited November 29, 2012 by login Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 29, 2012 Report Share Posted November 29, 2012 It represents mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted November 29, 2012 Report Share Posted November 29, 2012 Mine too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
login Posted November 29, 2012 Report Share Posted November 29, 2012 (edited) Are you both happy you get to be loosers tommorow. Why don't you join the good guys? Edited November 29, 2012 by login Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted November 29, 2012 Report Share Posted November 29, 2012 Mine also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
login Posted November 29, 2012 Report Share Posted November 29, 2012 (edited) Mine also. Which ones of your arn't conservative? Also what are your reasons for supporting a "no" vote. Edited November 29, 2012 by login Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 29, 2012 Report Share Posted November 29, 2012 Which ones of your arn't conservative? By that do you mean actually conservative, or vote conservative? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Derek L Posted November 29, 2012 Report Share Posted November 29, 2012 It represents mine. Ditto.............I just ask myself, if I had to choose between living in a Jewish state or a Muslim theocracy, which one would allow me (and my family) to live closer to the same standard (and personal freedom) of living as I do now……….Pretty simple choice……….Anyone choosing an Islamic State, is either Muslim, haven’t actually been to one or is daft..........Hence I side with Israel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted November 29, 2012 Report Share Posted November 29, 2012 Doesn't represent mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hudson Jones Posted November 29, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 29, 2012 Harper's vote does not represent my stance. I am curious why others agree with Harper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evening Star Posted November 29, 2012 Report Share Posted November 29, 2012 Ditto.............I just ask myself, if I had to choose between living in a Jewish state or a Muslim theocracy, which one would allow me (and my family) to live closer to the same standard (and personal freedom) of living as I do now……….Pretty simple choice……….Anyone choosing an Islamic State, is either Muslim, haven’t actually been to one or is daft..........Hence I side with Israel. No one's voting to abolish the state of Israel though. This is a totally false choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dre Posted November 29, 2012 Report Share Posted November 29, 2012 (edited) Amazing to see people like SmallC coming out against a two state solution. The permanent occupation and statelessness of 4 million people is the plan then? Its too bad because its a chance for Canada to play a part in some kind of solution, instead of voting to maintain the status quo. I guess Canada likes Arabs and Jews killing each other. Edited November 29, 2012 by dre Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hudson Jones Posted November 29, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 29, 2012 Ditto.............I just ask myself, if I had to choose between living in a Jewish state or a Muslim theocracy, It's not a choice between Israel or Palestine. It's a step towards accepting that Palestinians also deserve a state. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted November 29, 2012 Report Share Posted November 29, 2012 No one's voting to abolish the state of Israel though. This is a totally false choice. Good luck explaining that one. Ditto.............I just ask myself, if I had to choose between living in a Jewish state or a Muslim theocracy, which one would allow me (and my family) to live closer to the same standard (and personal freedom) of living as I do now……….Pretty simple choice……….Anyone choosing an Islamic State, is either Muslim, haven’t actually been to one or is daft..........Hence I side with Israel. How about you ask yourself would you rather be a Palestinian living in Jewish control Palestine or one controlled by your own people instead? You knw the actual choice instead of making up an alternate universe where your framing some how applies. Seriously you have do take a class on critical thinking or something because your reasoning is seriously flawed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dre Posted November 29, 2012 Report Share Posted November 29, 2012 Ditto.............I just ask myself, if I had to choose between living in a Jewish state or a Muslim theocracy, which one would allow me (and my family) to live closer to the same standard (and personal freedom) of living as I do now……….Pretty simple choice……….Anyone choosing an Islamic State, is either Muslim, haven’t actually been to one or is daft..........Hence I side with Israel. Theres an Islamic state anyways with 4 million people in it. How are Canadas interest enhanced by keeping these people stateless, and denying their right to self determination? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fletch 27 Posted November 29, 2012 Report Share Posted November 29, 2012 I fully support Steve Harper for taking this bold stance against a false state that supports full on terrorism. I as well support this stance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Derek L Posted November 29, 2012 Report Share Posted November 29, 2012 No one's voting to abolish the state of Israel though. This is a totally false choice. It’s a mater of perspective I suppose, in that (as mentioned in the article) Palestinian membership will have the exact opposite effect (as hoped by many) when it comes to future peace talks and/or negotiations on settlements…………..All this will do is further entrench Israel and those that support her (As I do for my reasons highlighted) and the cycle will go on and on………rinse and repeat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Derek L Posted November 29, 2012 Report Share Posted November 29, 2012 It's not a choice between Israel or Palestine. It's a step towards accepting that Palestinians also deserve a state. Like I said above, it’s a mater of perspective……..Some don’t feel Palestine deserves a state yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty AC Posted November 29, 2012 Report Share Posted November 29, 2012 Harper sickens me and embarrasses us on the world stage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Derek L Posted November 29, 2012 Report Share Posted November 29, 2012 Good luck explaining that one. How about you ask yourself would you rather be a Palestinian living in Jewish control Palestine or one controlled by your own people instead? You knw the actual choice instead of making up an alternate universe where your framing some how applies. Seriously you have do take a class on critical thinking or something because your reasoning is seriously flawed. You’re the one in an alternative universe………I’m neither Jewish or Palestinian, and as I said, the choice would be for myself and family, as is today (Not imagining being something I’m not) and where I would choose to live, Israel or an Islamic state. Get with the program. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fletch 27 Posted November 29, 2012 Report Share Posted November 29, 2012 What would jack do? Lololol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Derek L Posted November 29, 2012 Report Share Posted November 29, 2012 Theres an Islamic state anyways with 4 million people in it. How are Canadas interest enhanced by keeping these people stateless, and denying their right to self determination? Your point? I’m speaking to Israel versus an Islamic State, be it Palestine/Gaza/West Bank or any other one……….As to Canada’s interests, I’ll ask the inverse, how will our interests in the region be strengthened by statehood? Simply put, all this will do is further destabilize the region. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battletoads Posted November 29, 2012 Report Share Posted November 29, 2012 Canada continues to marginalize itself... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fletch 27 Posted November 29, 2012 Report Share Posted November 29, 2012 Canada continues to strengthen itself on the world stage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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