Israel-Palestine bi-national state ... Fresh hope?

[bush_cheney2004]

First Nations would NEVER take up arms against the Canadian government...lol. A friend of mine in the RCMP still has a sore ass from a non-existent First Nation bullet.

Ouch! Canada and the USA are already on history's "winning" side of land conflict that Israel has also sworn to win.

[DogOnPorch]

Divide and conquer. The technique is as old as this conflict is.

So Gaza Strip is the result of Israel 'dividing and conquering'?

[DogOnPorch]

Ouch! Canada and the USA are already on history's "winning" side of land conflict that Israel has also sworn to win.

Indeed. Now they even have their own Holocaust tales and a highway that apparently kills young native women.

[jacee]

What a crock. What Israelis have talked about a bi national state. Now you claim to speak for them by stating no one should speak for them.

Which Israelis do you refer to.? The only people who refer to the absurd code word bi national state which has been a word used since 1949 to signal the dismantling of Israel as a Jewish state are just that those who want to take the Jew out of the Israeli state.

Bi national. Get real. Neither Palestinians nor Israelis believe they can live in the same state. Moderates believe they could live peacefully side by side but to suggest they live in one state is a crock and always has been a crock and is a script Gamel Abnel NAsser coined. Give it a rest with this pretending it is dialogue between Israelis and Palestinians it is not.

Mr. Abbas has made it clear he will never recognize Israel as a Jewish state and he is called a moderate. Right.

Go on mention one state where Muslims in the Middle East live bi nationally with non Muslims. You can't and there is a reason for it and a reason for it-Sharia law does not recognize the right of anyone but Muslims to land ownership and basic legal rights in a Sharia law country.

You engage in fiction and then try pass it off as if its dialogue being proposed by Israeli Jews and Palestinians. Nonsense. Absolute nonsense.

Its a ludicrous concept dreamed up by people like you who do not understand how Sharia law works or why Jews had to create a state to protect themselves.

From the OP:

A small group of Palestinians,Israelis and Jewish settlers,Eretz Yoshveyha –"land of its inhabitants" –set out "principles for a single spatial polity" last year, among them safeguarding the collective rights of the two nations. One settler tells me of a consensus emerging within nascent, one-state settler groups that,while national identity may be important,exclusive Jewish sovereignty is not.

You can read the rest here Rue.

The death of the Israel-Palestine two-state solution brings fresh hope

And more here:

The end of the two-state illusion: Gaza's silver lining?

Everything we see today in Israel/Palestine is a result of the "inability to put the Oslo zombie out of its misery".

The one significant movement that resisted joining the Oslo [two state] process,Hamas,has become Israel's useful idiot; pretending to be its staunchest foe when in fact it has fulfilled its role all too well. And now,with Turkish,Qatari and other foreign funds flooding into Gaza, Hamas will grow as dependent on the very system that is holding it captive,as did Fatah a generation ago.

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But if this latest round of bloody violence can help finally destroy the Oslo illusion,it might just force the two sides to look across the so-called Green Line and begin the long,arduous but absolutely necessary project of imagining a common and equal future in which the full humanity and rights of both sides is finally respected.

[jacee]

There's no freaking way a bi-national 1-state solution will work. No way, 100% chance of failure. If Quebec and the rest of Canada can barely get along, have so much animosity for each other, and have been teetering back and forth on separation for so long, imagine how the Israel/Palestine region would function as a single state?

Everyone knows what would happen: Israel would use its superior power to politically dominate the Palestinians within this "unified" state, and the Palestinian would rebel against it, causing riots, protests, and a breakup of this state.

edited: for spelling

Binational state ... one state, two nations.

Basically status quo for current governments, acknowledgement of each other as nations within one state, with development of agreements respecting each other's rights and responsibilities.

Israel won't dismantle illegal settlements as it plans to expand into/occupy/take over the West Bank

and Gaza so ... to end the conflict, acknowledge that it is one state of two nations of people with independent governance ... and work from there.

[jacee]

It is my contention that it is not helpful for people who have not been to either the West Bank or Gaza or for that matter Israel, to come on this forum and make presentations as to the living conditions in any of these places.

The rhetoric of people who claim to know what it is like to live in these places when they have not lived there results in the kinds of comments such as Hudson's which I contend manifest ignorance of the actual conditions.

No one is starving on the West Bank.

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What Hudson will not discuss is the current Hamas leader applauding today the attacks on Israel and describing them as welcomed terrorism against the Zionist state. What he will discuss is supposedly "starving" people on the West Bank.

That was Merlin, not Hudson.