DogOnPorch Posted November 20, 2012 Report Posted November 20, 2012 War is hell, and there are no real enforceable rules of war. Yeah...Israel does that all the time. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
GostHacked Posted November 20, 2012 Report Posted November 20, 2012 Yeah...Israel does that all the time. I seriously doubt that even you believe that. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 20, 2012 Report Posted November 20, 2012 Hamas men drag 'Israeli spies' through Gaza City as as yet another truce is hinted at. Six, apparently, were executed out-of-hand by Hamas w/o trial or I imagine real evidence. Nice...reminds me of the good times in Mogadishu. Here's wishing that Israel takes its sweet-ass time to consider any cease fire. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
DogOnPorch Posted November 20, 2012 Report Posted November 20, 2012 I seriously doubt that even you believe that. Then why play the 'War is Hell' line on me? This is Hamas. The fellows in charge. The fellows some around here support or enable. The fellows some chose to support over Israel. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted November 20, 2012 Report Posted November 20, 2012 Nice...reminds me of the good times in Mogadishu. Here's wishing that Israel takes its sweet-ass time to consider any cease fire. That's a BIG 10-4. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Guest American Woman Posted November 20, 2012 Report Posted November 20, 2012 While Hamas is saying that a ceasefire agreement has been reached and will soon be carried out, Israel is saying not true. Negotiations are still going on, and Israel will continue it's military operations until an agreement is reached. The public killing of the six suspected spies and the motorcycles dragging one of the bodies through the streets pretty much shows the mentality that Israel is up against. Quote
Hudson Jones Posted November 20, 2012 Author Report Posted November 20, 2012 The public killing of the six suspected spies and the motorcycles dragging one of the bodies through the streets pretty much shows the mentality that Israel is up against. Because somehow dropping bombs from airplanes and missiles shot from warships on homes where people are killed are less barbaric. And the assassinations carried out by Israel are definitely not against the law and should be looked at as acceptable. Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
DogOnPorch Posted November 20, 2012 Report Posted November 20, 2012 Because somehow dropping bombs from airplanes and missiles shot from warships on homes where people are killed are less barbaric. And the assassinations carried out by Israel are definitely not against the law and should be looked at as acceptable. Hamas killing Palestinians. But, I'm sure they were Zionist spies. Hamas said so. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Bonam Posted November 20, 2012 Report Posted November 20, 2012 War is hell, and there are no real enforceable rules of war. Until it comes to criticizing Israel, then people seem to dig up plenty of "rules". It's funny how quick you are to ignore Hamas atrocities with the "war is hell" comment and yet constantly malign Israel's actions. Quote
dre Posted November 20, 2012 Report Posted November 20, 2012 (edited) What part of Gaza have the Israelis stolen? They have stolen its international waters for one thing, and the right to control its borders. Edited November 20, 2012 by dre Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
DogOnPorch Posted November 20, 2012 Report Posted November 20, 2012 They have stolen its international waters for one thing, and the right to control its borders. Oddly, the Confederacy was also blockaded and didn't have the right to control it's own waters. Were Union troops stealing land in Dixie? Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
GostHacked Posted November 20, 2012 Report Posted November 20, 2012 Until it comes to criticizing Israel, then people seem to dig up plenty of "rules". It's funny how quick you are to ignore Hamas atrocities with the "war is hell" comment and yet constantly malign Israel's actions. Well to tell you the truth I don't care much for either side anymore. War is hell, people die and 'rules' broken. I must point out again that this has been going on longer than I have been alive and I am tired of hearing about it. Wahhhh Palestine, waaaaaa Isreal ... I would love to take BOTH out and have the fighting stop altogether. This conflict will end if Israel or Palestine gets wiped out, and at this stage, it matters little who actually wins. But as I see it, there will be one winner that the advantage is all Israels. Both have committed atrocities and each will blame the other for those said atrocities. 70 years later ... still going. Quote
dre Posted November 20, 2012 Report Posted November 20, 2012 Oddly, the Confederacy was also blockaded and didn't have the right to control it's own waters. Were Union troops stealing land in Dixie? No they were occupying territory though. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Guest American Woman Posted November 20, 2012 Report Posted November 20, 2012 Hamas killing Palestinians. But, I'm sure they were Zionist spies. Hamas said so. Their trial and resulting verdict likely said so, too. Oh, wait --- dumping them in the street and publicly executing them doesn't exactly qualify as a trial, does it? Quote
dre Posted November 20, 2012 Report Posted November 20, 2012 Until it comes to criticizing Israel, then people seem to dig up plenty of "rules". It's funny how quick you are to ignore Hamas atrocities with the "war is hell" comment and yet constantly malign Israel's actions. I admit, I hold modern first-world nation-states to a different standard than terrorist groups. Crazy huh? Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
bleeding heart Posted November 20, 2012 Report Posted November 20, 2012 I admit, I hold modern first-world nation-states to a different standard than terrorist groups. Crazy huh? Why yes. Quite mad. The notion of holding ourselves and our allies to higher standards than official enemies....well, that's considered outrageous and "unfair"....rather than bespeaking of the elementary morality that every six year old understands. Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
bleeding heart Posted November 20, 2012 Report Posted November 20, 2012 Their trial and resulting verdict likely said so, too. Oh, wait --- dumping them in the street and publicly executing them doesn't exactly qualify as a trial, does it? Now, it's not really fair to speak this way of the drone assassina...oh, wait..... Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
Guest American Woman Posted November 20, 2012 Report Posted November 20, 2012 I admit, I hold modern first-world nation-states to a different standard than terrorist groups. Crazy huh? It is crazy, yes. There's no reason not to hold the terrorist groups to the same standards, and until everyone does, too many people will continue to overly criticize one side, hold one side only to standards which everyone should live by - which makes no sense - and in effect, empowers the terrorists.. Quote
Argus Posted November 20, 2012 Report Posted November 20, 2012 Unfortunately, it is. So is this: 104 killed, and this is a massacre? So how many people have been killed in Syria so far this year? Something like 40,000 isn't it? Odd your distress has not manifested itself with regard to them... Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
DogOnPorch Posted November 20, 2012 Report Posted November 20, 2012 No they were occupying territory though. Ahhh...a Secessh! Long live Dixie! From which part of olde Virginia do yea hail? Did yea attend VMI with the greats? You need the basics, me thinks. On War by Carl von Clausewitz. http://www.gutenberg.org/files/1946/1946-h/1946-h.htm Do not rejoice in his defeat, you men. For though the world has stood up and stopped the bastard, the bitch that bore him is in heat again. ---Eugen Bertolt Brecht Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted November 20, 2012 Report Posted November 20, 2012 Now, it's not really fair to speak this way of the drone assassina...oh, wait..... Commandos blew-up Heydrich with grenades. Was that wrong? C'mon...be fair. We shot Rommel in his car. Snuffed Yamamoto in his Betty bomber. All perfectly a-ok. Seems we have a war going on where politics between groups are being solved by other means. The part I'm pointing out is that Hamas, like the mullahs in Iran, are now eating their own in public. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Bonam Posted November 20, 2012 Report Posted November 20, 2012 (edited) Well to tell you the truth I don't care much for either side anymore. War is hell, people die and 'rules' broken. I must point out again that this has been going on longer than I have been alive and I am tired of hearing about it. If you're tired of hearing about it, then stop listening about it and posting about it. Wahhhh Palestine, waaaaaa Isreal ... I would love to take BOTH out and have the fighting stop altogether. And since that's outside your capabilities, you may as well stop fantasizing about it. Seriously, you don't sound any better than the sides you are complaining about. Waaaah I'm tired of hearing about waaah! Kill them all because I'm bored waaah! Edited November 20, 2012 by Bonam Quote
GostHacked Posted November 20, 2012 Report Posted November 20, 2012 If you're tired of hearing about it, then stop listening about it and posting about it. I like to read/watch the news, it's either Twinkies or Israel/Palestine. And both topic are less than appetizing. And since that's outside your capabilities, you may as well stop fantasizing about it. I've been called a dreamer before. Seriously, you don't sound any better than the sides you are complaining about. Waaaah I'm tired of hearing about waaah! Kill them all because I'm bored waaah! Hey if you are tired of my complaints ........ Quote
Hudson Jones Posted November 21, 2012 Author Report Posted November 21, 2012 (edited) Hudson, I appreciate that you want to hold Israel accountable. Indeed, I feel that they kill Palestinians indiscriminately with their military response. However, Palestine needs to be held accountable for launching attacks from residential areas. Any act that goes against international law, including using people as human shields should be condemned. Whether it's done by Hamas or it's done by Israel. By the way, taking the words of the IDF that the only reason civilians are being killed because Hamas is hiding behind them turned out to be mostly wrong the last time the IDF attacked Gaza. In fact, after a thorough investigation into use of human shields in the last Gaza war, it was revealed that the IDF used Palestinians as human shields on a number of occasions. The use of human shields is restricted as according to international law and Israeli law, yet the IDF did it several times during the last war. Goldstone Report - Page 218+ (Us of Human Shield) The next time an IDF spokesman or the people who parrot them say something, I'd recommend doing a little investigation. They have a history of repeating misinformation. They repeat them so much that people take them to be as fact, when in many cases, after doing a little investigation, it is revealed that they're trying to spread false information. For example; In the latest attack on Gaza, it is often repeated that Hamas escalated the conflict by firing a barrage of rockets into Israel. One look at the timeline says otherwise. There are still people like American Woman who are unwilling to accept the truth, but you will run into people like that because they're not interested in the facts. They're only interested in pushing the narrative that the IDF and its PR campaign is pushing. Edited November 21, 2012 by Hudson Jones Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 21, 2012 Report Posted November 21, 2012 Any act that goes against international law, including using people as human shieldsshields should be condemned. Whether it's done by Hamas or it's done by Israel. No problem...."condemning" something just means we get to keep doing it ! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
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