Topaz Posted November 13, 2012 Report Posted November 13, 2012 A poll says that Harper is the least trusted leader in the Americans. Gee, I wonder why? Canadians don't even trust Harper so, if that is true, why do voters vote for him? http://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/canada-politics/stephen-harper-one-least-trusted-leaders-according-poll-172232862.html Quote
eyeball Posted November 13, 2012 Report Posted November 13, 2012 The most depressing finding in this poll is that Canadians are in no hurry to do much if anything about our downhill slide. Maybe after we hit bottom that'll change but I'm not holding my breath. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Fletch 27 Posted November 13, 2012 Report Posted November 13, 2012 This is a "Poll" where it seems the proof is in the pudding.. i.e- A Majority.. Voters handed him a Majority because he is THE BEST as keeping finances in order and dealing with trade partners and economic growth.. I dont trust him to do the "right thing" when it comes to the middle east... But thats VERY low on my list of priorities... Harper says what he means and does what he sais.. Quote
jacee Posted November 13, 2012 Report Posted November 13, 2012 (edited) This is a "Poll" where it seems the proof is in the pudding.. i.e- A Majority.. Voters handed him a Majority because he is THE BEST as keeping finances in order and dealing with trade partners and economic growth.. I dont trust him to do the "right thing" when it comes to the middle east... But thats VERY low on my list of priorities... Harper says what he means and does what he sais.. Well the problem he has is that he only appeals to extremists like you, Fletch. Do you finally see the difference between - targetting specific ethnic and other groups that can supply enough votes to take a riding, and - having the support of Canadians? Harper's a sharp dealing tactician who can play the numbers and some of the people, but he can't play all of the people. I think some of those flattered by his attention - ie, targetted for votes - have now realized they were played by a shark. 16%? Awesome! Time to impeach ... Time for the real PROGRESSIVE Conservatives to show some backbone and stand up for their constituents instead of toeing Harper's party line. Canadians just aren't as extremist as Harper, and we don't like our MP's forced to be slaves to the party llines dictated by the party moneybags. Edited November 13, 2012 by jacee Quote
Fletch 27 Posted November 13, 2012 Report Posted November 13, 2012 (edited) I really LIKE how he's reforming immigration! Picking and choosing the RIGHT candidates for immigration is A-OK by me and the MAJORITY of Canadians! JaCee... it really seems like he has the support of CANADIANS! And please note: "16 per cent of Canadians place 'a lot of trust' in their Prime Minister",,, Is it maybe 40% percent of Canadians that simply "Have trust" in the Prime minister? wouldnt that make it 56 percent with trust in the PM?? Your slanted view on polling and Blogs is noted.. ALSO from the poll: The levels of trust are also low for the Canadian Parliament (17 per cent), political parties (10 per cent) and mass media (6 per cent). The findings come after Canada lived under a series of minority governments from 2004 to 2011, fuelling a sense of growing partisan bickering in Ottawa. Since trust for Harper was at 16% for "ALOT of trust",, it would be fair to say that the other parties are at 10% (Mulcair)... Seems fitting Edited November 13, 2012 by Fletch 27 Quote
Keepitsimple Posted November 13, 2012 Report Posted November 13, 2012 (edited) The levels of trust are also low for the Canadian Parliament (17 per cent), political parties (10 per cent) and mass media (6 per cent). The findings come after Canada lived under a series of minority governments from 2004 to 2011, fuelling a sense of growing partisan bickering in Ottawa. In that context, how could you expect Harper's "trust level" to be much higher? The acrimony in Parliament is partly to do with the Conservative government's stubbornness - but it also has much to do with the opposition parties' constant oppose, oppose, exaggerate and mis-state. The Liberals are only now realizing they are not the Natural Governing Party. The NDP - now that they have a taste of relevance - are fighting to establish some REAL relevance but can't shake their far-left ideology.......and with the 6% trust in the media - it's ironic that we're giving credence to another media article. The constant "negatives" that come from the CBC and The Star are turning into white noise - background jibberish that most people tune out. Edited November 13, 2012 by Keepitsimple Quote Back to Basics
Fletch 27 Posted November 13, 2012 Report Posted November 13, 2012 When Harper has 10% more trust than the MEDIA,,, I think that resonates with the Majority of Canadian.. And 6 Percent more thrust than the opposition??? Thats all i needed to see. Harper is MORE trustworthy Quote
jacee Posted November 13, 2012 Report Posted November 13, 2012 I really LIKE how he's reforming immigration! Picking and choosing the RIGHT candidates for immigration is A-OK by me and the MAJORITY of Canadians! JaCee... it really seems like he has the support of CANADIANS! And please note: "16 per cent of Canadians place 'a lot of trust' in their Prime Minister",,, Is it maybe 40% percent of Canadians that simply "Have trust" in the Prime minister? wouldnt that make it 56 percent with trust in the PM?? Your slanted view on polling and Blogs is noted.. I can't access the article, so please provide quotes. He has the lowest 'trust' numbers of any leader in the Americas, as I understand it. What he says and what he does about immigration may be different things. It's total nepotism now, with the Immigration minister able to pick and choose immigrants as he pleases. Leaves open the possibility of payoffs/corruption. Quote
PIK Posted November 13, 2012 Report Posted November 13, 2012 I can't access the article, so please provide quotes. He has the lowest 'trust' numbers of any leader in the Americas, as I understand it. What he says and what he does about immigration may be different things. It's total nepotism now, with the Immigration minister able to pick and choose immigrants as he pleases. Leaves open the possibility of payoffs/corruption. Who cares, people like obama because he is black and cool and everyone wants to have a beer with him. Harper is not the cool guy or cute like justin, but the smart people know he is the one to lead. So sit back and watch harper work the world while obama and america go down hill. Some day jacee when you have grown up and look back on things you will realize harper was the right man at the right time. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
guyser Posted November 13, 2012 Report Posted November 13, 2012 but the smart people know he is the one to lead. How would you know then ? Quote
PIK Posted November 13, 2012 Report Posted November 13, 2012 How would you know then ? Is that a insult? Should I report it? I have been nailed for less. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
jacee Posted November 13, 2012 Report Posted November 13, 2012 Who cares, people like obama because he is black and cool and everyone wants to have a beer with him. Harper is not the cool guy or cute like justin, but the smart people know he is the one to lead. So sit back and watch harper work the world while obama and america go down hill. Some day jacee when you have grown up and look back on things you will realize harper was the right man at the right time. I have grown up and seen it all, decades more than you I expect. Harper is such a weak and ill-intentioned leader he has to threaten MP's and force them to toe the party line. That's how dictators operate, not democratic leaders. Harper doesn't like people and doesn't like democracy. Quote
Fletch 27 Posted November 13, 2012 Report Posted November 13, 2012 I have grown up and seen it all, decades more than you I expect. Harper is such a weak and ill-intentioned leader he has to threaten MP's and force them to toe the party line. That's how dictators operate, not democratic leaders. Harper doesn't like people and doesn't like democracy. Umm, Didnt he allow debate freely on when life begins by the back-bencher??? He a HELL of a lot more free-righn than Mulcair Quote
PIK Posted November 13, 2012 Report Posted November 13, 2012 I have grown up and seen it all, decades more than you I expect. Harper is such a weak and ill-intentioned leader he has to threaten MP's and force them to toe the party line. That's how dictators operate, not democratic leaders. Harper doesn't like people and doesn't like democracy. You are good at one thing and that is comedy relief. It amazes me that people like you fall for that shit, when you have nothing to stand on. You have no idea do you. LMFAO Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
Moonbox Posted November 13, 2012 Report Posted November 13, 2012 (edited) Well the problem he has is that he only appeals to extremists like you, Fletch. What a freaking stupid thing to say. I guess ~6,000,000 Canadians are 'extremists' then. Do you finally see the difference between - targetting specific ethnic and other groups that can supply enough votes to take a riding, and - having the support of Canadians? What specific ethnic group is that? White, rural Ontario farmers? The CPC has more widespread support, BY FAR than any other party in Canada. Compare that to the NDP, where it was almost all in Quebec and an small assortment of other places (ie. broke, armpit communities in Ontario like Windsor, Hamilton and the empty north) or to the Liberals', who were for all intents and purposes non-existent outside Vancouver, Toronto and Montreal, and your argument is a pretty clear indication that you know NOTHING about Canadian politics except how to whine. As for this 'survey', I can't say I take it very seriously, especially given how low the results are for the media and the political parties (which are lower than Parliament!!!!). Edited November 13, 2012 by Moonbox Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
cybercoma Posted November 13, 2012 Report Posted November 13, 2012 Who cares, people like obama because he is black and cool Pretty insulting to the American electorate, don't you think? It's also pretty insulting to Obama that you say his value is in his race and persona, rather than his policies. Quote
guyser Posted November 13, 2012 Report Posted November 13, 2012 Pretty insulting to the American electorate, don't you think? It's also pretty insulting to Obama that you say his value is in his race and persona, rather than his policies. oh but wait.... PIK, on 13 November 2012 - 12:02 PM, said: but the smart people know he is the one to lead He apparently is one of the smart one Quote
jacee Posted November 13, 2012 Report Posted November 13, 2012 (edited) What a freaking stupid thing to say. I guess ~6,000,000 Canadians are 'extremists' then. What specific ethnic group is that? Read the link and find out. Ethnic riding targeting key to Conservatives' 2011 victory: More than 30 'very ethnic' target ridings led to majority government in 2011 Edited November 13, 2012 by jacee Quote
Fletch 27 Posted November 13, 2012 Report Posted November 13, 2012 Nothing at all about what ethnic group in the linky.... Do you have another? Quote
PIK Posted November 13, 2012 Report Posted November 13, 2012 Pretty insulting to the American electorate, don't you think? It's also pretty insulting to Obama that you say his value is in his race and persona, rather than his policies. No it is not, it is facts, so don't start with the race card, that is very petty. And yes it is his race and persona. These are facts look at who voted for him, but yet remarks of angry rich white men is ok.Do you think everyone that wants trudeau for PM is because off his policies, because he does not have any. And now you celebrate a poll that shows huge chevez more popular them harper. What that tells me is a very lazy electorate, that votes for the guy that gives them hand outs. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
cybercoma Posted November 13, 2012 Report Posted November 13, 2012 No it is not, it is facts, so don't start with the race card, that is very petty. How the hell am I starting with the race card? You were the one that brought up race. Just like this... And yes it is his race and persona. These are facts look at who voted for him The same demographics that vote for white Democrats it seems.yet remarks of angry rich white men is ok.It is?Do you think everyone that wants trudeau for PM is because off his policies, because he does not have any.No, I don't think that at all. Where are you getting this crap from? And now you celebrate a poll that shows huge chevez more popular them harper. I celebrated this poll, did I? I actually criticized the polls methodology in North America. And I don't trust its other numbers either because it used different sampling techniques in different countries. I don't think it's a reliable tool for comparison between nations. But yeah... I'm celebrating it. What that tells me is a very lazy electorate, that votes for the guy that gives them hand outs. My existent-in-your-mind-only celebration tells you the electorate is lazy? Well, ok. Quote
jacee Posted November 13, 2012 Report Posted November 13, 2012 Nothing at all about what ethnic group in the linky.... Do you have another? It didn't matter to the HarperTories, as long as the targeted ethnic community had 20% of the votes. Quote
Fletch 27 Posted November 13, 2012 Report Posted November 13, 2012 It didn't matter to the HarperTories, as long as the targeted ethnic community had 20% of the votes. Is "Danish" ethnic" What about German? Hows about the Swedish? Maybe columbian? Maybe even mexican... Please Jacee... Can you point out or direct us to these "Points of fact" you cite! Ohh CITE? I was under the impression he targetted the ECONOMY! He was clear and open, (dare i say TRANSPARENT) about his immigration reforms!!! And i FULLY back him and Jason Kenney on that.... Quote
jacee Posted November 13, 2012 Report Posted November 13, 2012 No it is not, it is facts, so don't start with the race card, that is very petty. And yes it is his race and persona. These are facts look at who voted for him, but yet remarks of angry rich white men is ok.Do you think everyone that wants trudeau for PM is because off his policies, because he does not have any. And now you celebrate a poll that shows huge chevez more popular them harper. What that tells me is a very lazy electorate, that votes for the guy that gives them hand outs. Better than giving handouts to the wealthiest 1%, like the Tories. Conservative politics worldwide is about taking from the poor and midddle class and handouts for the corporations and the wealthy. It's just a money grab. Quote
Fletch 27 Posted November 13, 2012 Report Posted November 13, 2012 Oh, the Victim mentality again...... The 1%.... yes...... Quote
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