bush_cheney2004 Posted November 8, 2012 Report Posted November 8, 2012 Well...the Liberals and the French Canadians who didn't really see the down-side to multiculturalism. Wasn't going to affect them...lol. That's the funny part....it is/was the "French Canadians" who have maintained the most distinct identity in American media. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Smallc Posted November 8, 2012 Report Posted November 8, 2012 Well...the Liberals and the French Canadians who didn't really see the down-side to multiculturalism. Wasn't going to affect them...lol. I'm not sure how you come to the conclusion that multiculturalism (again, something that has always been in Canada) doesn't have an affect on the smaller of Canada's major languages. If anything, it affects them more. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 8, 2012 Report Posted November 8, 2012 The office of the Queen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the office of the Queen of Canada are completely separate..they just happen to be occupied by the same person. That is by Canada's choice, and no one else's. What if the Queen decides she doesn't want to have 25 royal personalities ? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Smallc Posted November 8, 2012 Report Posted November 8, 2012 The office of the Queen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the office of the Queen of Canada are completely separate..they just happen to be occupied by the same person. That is by Canada's choice, and no one else's. No, my friend. I lived those times...and they were great times. Great times to be young and living in Canada. Tons of work...tons of play. There is still a great deal of work, and a great deal of fun in Canada. It's just different than it was...and a great deal better for many. In 50 years, it will be different again. Quote
WWWTT Posted November 8, 2012 Report Posted November 8, 2012 less obesity. Oh God that's worth everything right there! WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
DogOnPorch Posted November 8, 2012 Report Posted November 8, 2012 I'm not sure how you come to the conclusion that multiculturalism (again, something that has always been in Canada) doesn't have an affect on the smaller of Canada's major languages. If anything, it affects them more. Back in the 80s during the push for multiculturalism as a government policy, it was viewed as Trudeau's finger to the English Canadian establishment that he wanted taken down a notch or two. The French figured that language laws would protect Quebec from being overrun with non-French speaking outsiders. Seemed like a win-win to those involved. There's always been different folks living in Canada. If you've lived in BC, you'd know that the Chinese and Japanese communities...pre-influx from Red China...are more significant than the French culture...which is minimal. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Smallc Posted November 8, 2012 Report Posted November 8, 2012 Back in the 80s during the push for multiculturalism as a government policy, it was viewed as Trudeau's finger to the English Canadian establishment that he wanted taken down a notch or two. The French figured that language laws would protect Quebec from being overrun with non-French speaking outsiders. Seemed like a win-win to those involved. You seem to be confusing multiculturalism and bilingualism. Official multiculturalism is a recognition of the fact that Canada is made up of many cultural groups from many places. Official bilingualism is a recognition of the way that this country came into being, and still exists today. You're right that there isn't much in the way of French in BC, but that was irrelevant to the purpose of the policy. French and English continue to be the two largest language groups, and their founding status is never going to change. There's always been different folks living in Canada. If you've lived in BC, you'd know that the Chinese and Japanese communities...pre-influx from Red China...are more significant than the French culture...which is minimal. HEnce you make my point for me...though I'm not sure what 'Red China' has to do with it. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted November 8, 2012 Report Posted November 8, 2012 Oh God that's worth everything right there! WWWTT Good point...there's certainly not any fat Canadians out there. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted November 8, 2012 Report Posted November 8, 2012 You seem to be confusing multiculturalism and bilingualism. Official multiculturalism is a recognition of the fact that Canada is made up of many cultural groups from many places. Official bilingualism is a recognition of the way that this country came into being, and still exists today. You're right that there isn't much in the way of French in BC, but that was irrelevant to the purpose of the policy. French and English continue to be the two largest language groups, and their founding status is never going to change. Bilingualism laws came about around the same time and can be viewed as part and parcel with official multiculturalism. HEnce you make my point for me...though I'm not sure what 'Red China' has to do with it. Would you be surprised to find out that the Chinese community living in Canada before the influx from 'the mother country' weren't all that happy to see them? Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
cybercoma Posted November 8, 2012 Report Posted November 8, 2012 We are still not entirely separate. To do that, we need to ditch the Monarch altogether, not just half assed the way it currently is. What does the Monarchy of Canada have to do with the British? Quote
WWWTT Posted November 8, 2012 Report Posted November 8, 2012 Good point...there's certainly not any fat Canadians out there. "Fat" is a relative term WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
Smallc Posted November 8, 2012 Report Posted November 8, 2012 Bilingualism laws came about around the same time and can be viewed as part and parcel with official multiculturalism. They came in at the same time, but they are not in any way the same thing. Would you be surprised to find out that the Chinese community living in Canada before the influx from 'the mother country' weren't all that happy to see them? Did you take a poll? Quote
DogOnPorch Posted November 8, 2012 Report Posted November 8, 2012 They came in at the same time, but they are not in any way the same thing. Again...I lived it. It was all part of the new Government Knows Best approach to running your life that we're all used to today. Did you take a poll? They're referred to...still...as FOBs. It's a common misconception that birds of a feather ALL flock together. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
cybercoma Posted November 8, 2012 Report Posted November 8, 2012 Again...I lived it. It was all part of the new Government Knows Best approach As opposed to the old Britain knows best approach? Quote
Smallc Posted November 8, 2012 Report Posted November 8, 2012 Again...I lived it. It was all part of the new Government Knows Best approach to running your life that we're all used to today. Or, as I said, it was a recognition of reality, and of a Canadian identity that already existed. They're referred to...still...as FOBs. It's a common misconception that birds of a feather ALL flock together. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted November 8, 2012 Report Posted November 8, 2012 As opposed to the old Britain knows best approach? But that's not how Canada was. Hadn't been THAT way since before WW1. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Smallc Posted November 8, 2012 Report Posted November 8, 2012 But that's not how Canada was. Well, Canada isn't how you seem to see it either, so... Quote
DogOnPorch Posted November 8, 2012 Report Posted November 8, 2012 Or, as I said, it was a recognition of reality, and of a Canadian identity that already existed. No...it was the Government getting involved with social engineering rather governing. That's the polite version. You can pretend I invented it if it makes you feel better. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
cybercoma Posted November 8, 2012 Report Posted November 8, 2012 But that's not how Canada was. Hadn't been THAT way since before WW1. Canada was in limbo after 1931. It was necessary that we patriate the Constitution. In the meantime, Québec had their Silent Revolution, so these issues also needed consideration. When did we adopt the Maple Leaf? When did we adopt O Canada? Things didn't change overnight in the trenches. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 8, 2012 Report Posted November 8, 2012 Well, Canada isn't how you seem to see it either, so... Either way, old or new, this is progress....no mention of not being American at all. See...it is possible, except maybe work more on that not being British next. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Smallc Posted November 8, 2012 Report Posted November 8, 2012 No...it was the Government getting involved with social engineering rather governing. Well, that's one opinion, but, it isn't one shared in many quarters. Governments have mandates to do things. The Constitution Act, 1982, has proven one of the most successful in the history the world (yes, the world) and is now used by a model for many. Multiculturalism, as implemented to great success in Canada, has been praised by European leaders who have countless problems that we don't. Official bilingualism is what has allowed this country to remain together through the most trying of times. You're looking back with rose coloured glasses, and seeing a past that didn't really exist. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted November 8, 2012 Report Posted November 8, 2012 Either way, old or new, this is progress....no mention of not being American at all. See...it is possible, except maybe work more on that not being British next. Being that I spent some o' my youth in Lancashire, I see no reason to get rid of a good thing. I worry more that Canada will become like a big version of what Blackpool has become. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 8, 2012 Report Posted November 8, 2012 Being that I spent some o' my youth in Lancashire, I see no reason to get rid of a good thing. I worry more that Canada will become like a big version of what Blackpool has become. Yikes! Now that is a scary thought. Maybe these kids are right...we're just getting old! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
DogOnPorch Posted November 8, 2012 Report Posted November 8, 2012 Well, that's one opinion, but, it isn't one shared in many quarters. Governments have mandates to do things. The Constitution Act, 1982, has proven one of the most successful in the history the world (yes, the world) and is now used by a model for many. Multiculturalism, as implemented to great success in Canada, has been praised by European leaders who have countless problems that we don't. Official bilingualism is what has allowed this country to remain together through the most trying of times. You're looking back with rose coloured glasses, and seeing a past that didn't really exist. It's hard for you to grasp, I realize. But, the Canadian government was Liberal for a LONG time with a tiny break for Joe Clark. They got a lot of their agenda turned into reality...as you might say. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Guest American Woman Posted November 8, 2012 Report Posted November 8, 2012 (edited) Good point...there's certainly not any fat Canadians out there. Really, eh? It's rather sad and pathetic when Canadians have to resort to stuff like this in order to criticize the U.S. and pat Canada on the back - and it would be even if Canadians were the most fit people on earth. Which, of course, they're not. I have to wonder if these people taking so much pride in Canada because there are slightly less obese people than in the U.S. realize this is also a huge (no pun intended) problem in Canada. . Edited November 8, 2012 by American Woman Quote
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