Toronto Islamist says Sandy divine slap to US

[Guest]

^{No, it was directed at anyone using the "they're worse than us" line as an argument. Like trash talking Leaf fans. Why draw attention to your own shortcomings?}

Islam as a political and social force IS inferior to Western culture.

Yes, they are worse than us. Why beat about the bush? It's true.

Edited November 6, 2012 by bcsapper

[Michael Hardner]

Are you saying that fellow in the video is crazy? Why?

He's a fundamentalist.

[Michael Hardner]

Islam as a political and social force IS inferior to Western culture.

Then why should we be so afraid of it as to restrict members of that faith from coming here - something we wouldn't do for any other religion today ?

I'm not sure if you're suggesting that idea, but others are.

[Guest]

Why do you make such fallacious leaps in logic ? Has anybody shown that immigrants are too crazy to be let in ? I haven't seen that yet.

I think that some immigrants are too crazy to be let in, and some are not. They don't check. They let me in, and they let Mohammad Shafia in.

[WWWTT]

Yes, this fundamentalist Muslim believes that the great Allah sent down this storm upon the US because of her policies and he is grateful for it.

No he didn't.

WWWTT

[cybercoma]

Islam as a political and social force IS inferior to Western culture.

Yet there are many Westerners that follow Islam. Funny that.

[WWWTT]

I think that some immigrants are too crazy to be let in, and some are not. They don't check. They let me in, and they let Mohammad Shafia in.

Man that's a something I don't know what to make of comment?

Are you saying that immigration should have not let you into Canada?

WWWTT

[DogOnPorch]

Yet there are many Westerners that follow Islam. Funny that.

No longer part of Western culture at that point.

[DogOnPorch]

Then why should we be so afraid of it as to restrict members of that faith from coming here - something we wouldn't do for any other religion today ?

I'm not sure if you're suggesting that idea, but others are.

What's the Sharia penalty for leaving Islam?

[Michael Hardner]

What's the Sharia penalty for leaving Islam?

I don't know why you're asking me that. It's not important to this discussion. Maybe we should just number these arguments, so that when you go back to them I can just respond "#3" ! or somesuch ? How many times have I explained to you why quoting holy books isn't important to this discussion ?

[cybercoma]

No longer part of Western culture at that point.

Sure they are. I bet you wouldn't even recognize the majority of Muslims in North America as Muslims. Moreover, I bet you would probably mistake Lebanese Christians for Muslims too. There are thousands of people that are both Western and Islamic.

[DogOnPorch]

I don't know why you're asking me that. It's not important to this discussion. Maybe we should just number these arguments, so that when you go back to them I can just respond "#3" ! or somesuch ? How many times have I explained to you why quoting holy books isn't important to this discussion ?

It's death.

[Guest]

Man that's a something I don't know what to make of comment?

Are you saying that immigration should have not let you into Canada?

WWWTT

If you think I'm crazier than Mohammad Shafia you can certainly lament the fact that they did.

[DogOnPorch]

Sure they are. I bet you wouldn't even recognize the majority of Muslims in North America as Muslims. Moreover, I bet you would probably mistake Lebanese Christians for Muslims too. There are thousands of people that are both Western and Islamic.

No they are not. Western culture is traditionally the Judeo-Christian tradition...not Islam and other 'Oriental' influences. You can join the Hari Krishnas in NA...but you're now part of Eastern traditions and values.

Edited November 6, 2012 by DogOnPorch

[cybercoma]

Islam is an Abrahamic religion, just like the "Judeo-Christian tradition." Regardless, it's completely absurd that you would deny there are Muslims living Western lifestyles in North America. The vast majority of people that I've met who are Muslim treat their religion with passing interest like most of the Jewish and Christian people I know. Hell, some of the Muslims I know are practically atheist. They only say they're Muslim because their family is Muslim. You wouldn't know they were Muslim unless they offered that information up to you and many of them are hesitant to do so because of the discrimination they feel from the general ignorance people have about their religion.

[Guest]

Islam is an Abrahamic religion, just like the "Judeo-Christian tradition." Regardless, it's completely absurd that you would deny there are Muslims living Western lifestyles in North America. The vast majority of people that I've met who are Muslim treat their religion with passing interest like most of the Jewish and Christian people I know. Hell, some of the Muslims I know are practically atheist. They only say they're Muslim because their family is Muslim. You wouldn't know they were Muslim unless they offered that information up to you and many of them are hesitant to do so because of the discrimination they feel from the general ignorance people have about their religion.

They are not Muslims any more than I'm a Catholic.

Edited November 6, 2012 by bcsapper

[DogOnPorch]

Islam is an Abrahamic religion, just like the "Judeo-Christian tradition." Regardless, it's completely absurd that you would deny there are Muslims living Western lifestyles in North America. The vast majority of people that I've met who are Muslim treat their religion with passing interest like most of the Jewish and Christian people I know. Hell, some of the Muslims I know are practically atheist. They only say they're Muslim because their family is Muslim. You wouldn't know they were Muslim unless they offered that information up to you and many of them are hesitant to do so because of the discrimination they feel from the general ignorance people have about their religion.

You have trouble understanding the concept of Judeo-Christian tradition.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judeo-Christian

[WWWTT]

If you think I'm crazier than Mohammad Shafia you can certainly lament the fact that they did.

I'm not saying anyone is crazy.

I am puzzled as to why you would imply that you are crazy?

Maybe I read that comment wrong?I don't know?I think I read it right.

WWWTT

[GostHacked]

No they are not. Western culture is traditionally the Judeo-Christian tradition...not Islam and other 'Oriental' influences. You can join the Hari Krishnas in NA...but you're now part of Eastern traditions and values.

We can go back even farther. Western 'culture' already existed before the mass influx from Europe.

[guyser]

No they are not..

I am afraid there is no way to agree with you on this one.

My neices boyfriend, Muslim.

His very successful family, Muslim.

My office neighbour, Muslim.

Her son who works here, Muslim.

The head of our admin staff, Muslim.

Our second biggest producer, Muslim.

And what do they have in common apart from being Muslim? Being completely Westernized and living in Canada as Canadians.

[Guest]

I'm not saying anyone is crazy.

I am puzzled as to why you would imply that you are crazy?

Maybe I read that comment wrong?I don't know?I think I read it right.

WWWTT

Ah, I see. No, I was just saying they don't discriminate on a basis of craziness. Therefore me, sane as a teaspoon, and Mohammad Shafia, total fruit loop, both got in.

Of course, I had to marry a Canadian, so maybe they do discriminate.

[Michael Hardner]

It's death.

As it is in the Bible. Do you now remember how I explained to you what a "circular argument" is ?

[WWWTT]

Ah, I see. No, I was just saying they don't discriminate on a basis of craziness. Therefore me, sane as a teaspoon, and Mohammad Shafia, total fruit loop, both got in.

Of course, I had to marry a Canadian, so maybe they do discriminate.

I don't think having a different opinion qualifies as being "crazy"

WWWTT

[Guest]

I don't think having a different opinion qualifies as being "crazy"

WWWTT

No. Murdering half your family does, though.

[cybercoma]

You have trouble understanding the concept of Judeo-Christian tradition.

http://en.wikipedia....Judeo-Christian

Let me copy and paste for you:

"Judeo-Christian (also Abrahamism) is a term..."

and from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abrahamism

"The largest Abrahamic religions are, in chronological order of founding, Judaism, Christianity, Islam and Baha'i Faith."