kraychik Posted October 18, 2012 Report Share Posted October 18, 2012 His resignation is 'imminent', he did not have to prorogue, he could've appointed a deputy leader. It's a complete escape from responsibility and accountability, when he finally leaves he can say And yes, the media treating this very differently . Not too many screaming about it this time, no facebook pages protesting, no screams of outrage etc. etc. even the media is holding back. Why didn't the LG say no to this one, has GG or LG said NO, ever ? Muted outrage and sure not too upset on twitter http://www2.macleans...ys-resignation/ If Harper's strategic prorogations were not okay, than neither is McGuinty’s, or if Harper’s were an affront to democracy, so is McGuinty’s. Can't have it both ways. Are you suggesting that most of the Canadian media is left wing? I demand proof of such a charge!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribblet Posted October 18, 2012 Report Share Posted October 18, 2012 (edited) Are you suggesting that most of the Canadian media is left wing? I demand proof of such a charge!!! Where did my post say or even suggest that ? Edited October 18, 2012 by scribblet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kraychik Posted October 18, 2012 Report Share Posted October 18, 2012 Where did my post say or even suggest that ? Seriously? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g_bambino Posted October 18, 2012 Report Share Posted October 18, 2012 Why didn't the LG say no to this one...? It would have caused a constitutional crisis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribblet Posted October 18, 2012 Report Share Posted October 18, 2012 It would have caused a constitutional crisis. Sure, which speaks to why no GG or LG has ever refused one. (that I know of) they are really bound to the advice of the first minister in question. This is all just huffing and puffing, it's a tried and true practice, depends on which side of the fence you on as to whether or not you agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g_bambino Posted October 18, 2012 Report Share Posted October 18, 2012 Sure, which speaks to why no GG or LG has ever refused one. (that I know of) they are really bound to the advice of the first minister in question. Refused one what? Governor General the Lord Byng of Vimy refused Prime Minister William Lyon Mackenzie King's request for a dissolution of parliament. The viceroy is bound to follow his or her first minister's advice so long as that advice is within constitutional and legal bounds, and McGuinty's advice that parliament be prorogued, slimy as it may be, was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Squid Posted October 18, 2012 Report Share Posted October 18, 2012 Harper did it to save the country The country would have been fine. He did it to remain in power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g_bambino Posted October 18, 2012 Report Share Posted October 18, 2012 The country would have been fine. He did it to remain in power. He did. But, the coalition also fell apart. We would've been back at the polls again, less than six months since the last election. Not the end of the world, but too many elections short periods of time apart makes for unstable government, which isn't favourable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted October 18, 2012 Report Share Posted October 18, 2012 When harper prologued the goverment , the media and alot of people went berserk, but when chretien and dalton do it, not a whimper, what gives??? I expressed my outrage in the provincial politics forum.... where talk about the Ontario Provincial government belongs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlight Graham Posted October 18, 2012 Report Share Posted October 18, 2012 (edited) Ummm, he prorogued the Provincial Parliament because he resigned.... wikipedia: "McGuinty announced that he will resign from his position as leader and premier after a new leader is chosen at the next Ontario Liberal Party convention" Why does prov parliament have to be prorogued to have a leadership convention/race? If he wants to really quit immediately, why not give leadership to an interim leader and continue parliament? Maybe he just wants to stop the investigations into the scandals starting to dog him? The guy is a slimeball, he can't be trusted IMO. Edited October 18, 2012 by Moonlight Graham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted October 18, 2012 Report Share Posted October 18, 2012 wikipedia: "McGuinty announced that he will resign from his position as leader and premier after a new leader is chosen at the next Ontario Liberal Party convention" Why does prov parliament have to be prorogued to have a leadership convention/race? If he wants to really quit immediately, why not give leadership to an interim leader and continue parliament? Maybe he just wants to stop the investigations into the scandals starting to dog him? The guy is a slimeball, he can't be trusted IMO. He also wants to govern without answering to the elected body, the Legislature. He said he has work to do and the government still operates during the prorogation period. What McGuinty has done is even worse than what Harper did. Proroguing parliament or the legislature should be a last resort, should only be used in exceptional circumstances. Now it has become a strategy to circumvent democracy for selfish reasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
login Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 When harper prologued the goverment , the media and alot of people went berserk, but when chretien and dalton do it, not a whimper, what gives??? They had majorities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbg Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 When harper prorogued (fixed from "prologued") the government (fixed from "goverment") , the media and alot of people went berserk, but when chretien and dalton do it, not a whimper, what gives??? Harper is a Conservative. Dalton and Chretien are politically correct Liberals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbg Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 They had majorities. Wrong. Harper's prorogues were during minority governments. December 2008 is the one that comes to mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 Dalton and Chretien are politically correct Liberals. Yes, Chretien was perhaps the most politically correct PM that this country ever had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kraychik Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 Wrong. Harper's prorogues were during minority governments. December 2008 is the one that comes to mind. Login Was referring to Chretien's and McGuinty's governments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbg Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 Login Was referring to Chretien's and McGuinty's governments. But McGuinty's was also a minority, no? Remember I know nothing about Canada. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
login Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 (edited) McGuinty has a defacto minormajority hence the had.... this McGuinty government isn't a McGuinty Government. This is not a normal prorouge it is a leadership change --- and likely a cabinet change.. he fired himself. Stephen Harper's government clearly and repeatedly abused the process that's why it was an issue. He hasn't had popular support. That is the issue, his usages were contrary to public opinion. He is a partisan leader, and his party does not hold a majorty of the public viewpoints. People arn't going to be upset about leadership quiting due to complaints from the public. Provincial government around here is just arguing about dollars and cents. It is absurd really. Edited October 19, 2012 by login Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIK Posted October 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 How is this board 'coverage' ? It might be a good idea - and maybe a surprise to you - if you did a poll on this topic. I certainly don't support proroguing parliament in this way. It seems like it will be longer than for Harper's stint too. And lets not forget bob rae did it 3 times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fletch 27 Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 McGuinty has a defacto minormajority hence the had.... this McGuinty government isn't a McGuinty Government. This is not a normal prorouge it is a leadership change --- and likely a cabinet change.. he fired himself. Stephen Harper's government clearly and repeatedly abused the process that's why it was an issue. He hasn't had popular support. That is the issue, his usages were contrary to public opinion. He is a partisan leader, and his party does not hold a majorty of the public viewpoints. People arn't going to be upset about leadership quiting due to complaints from the public. Provincial government around here is just arguing about dollars and cents. It is absurd really. WHAT? A defacto What? You dont need factual information to make points here do you? The Earth must be flat still...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g_bambino Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 What McGuinty has done is even worse than what Harper did. Proroguing parliament or the legislature should be a last resort, should only be used in exceptional circumstances. Now it has become a strategy to circumvent democracy for selfish reasons. We'll have to see what the proclamation proroguing parliament says when it's published in the Gazette. I'm interested to see if a length has been set to this prorogation or not. I also wonder why, in this age, proclamations can't be published online immediately after issue. There should also be a feather hatted man reading them from the balcony of the legislature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bleeding heart Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 (edited) Yes, Chretien was perhaps the most politically correct PM that this country ever had. Jeesh...the "politically correct" term is promiscuously overused at the best of times....now I see it's being applied willy-nilly, based on posters' ideological preferences. Edited October 20, 2012 by bleeding heart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted October 20, 2012 Report Share Posted October 20, 2012 I think everyone should read Coyne's opinion piece on this. He argues that Canada's parliamentary democracy is becoming increasingly ceremonial. Meanwhile, Canadians shrug with indifference. It's a sad and pathetic state of affairs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleipnir Posted October 20, 2012 Report Share Posted October 20, 2012 Very Simple.... Its the far left leaning media such as the Toronto Star and the CBC... The "left" thrives on propaganda and shuns accountability. Doesn't explain why CBC shows an article of the 'far left' Ontario NDP launching an anti-prorogation campaign in response to McGuinty actions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fletch 27 Posted October 21, 2012 Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 Link? I haven't seen that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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