Tolerance In Public Schools

Mr.Canada · October 3, 2012

The traditional family unit is under attack how?

When your neighbour buys a motorcycle, does that mean your right to buy a car is under attack?

Traditional families are brow beaten for not being in an alternative relationship it would seem.

cybercoma · October 3, 2012

Traditional families are brow beaten for not being in an alternative relationship it would seem.

Got any examples of that happening?

Mr.Canada · October 3, 2012

Got any examples of that happening?

Those posters are a perfect example. No where do they show a normal kid and family instead they show only the weirdos. The minority. Not the norm. No matter how hard they try, what the show will ever be normal.

Michael Hardner · October 3, 2012

Traditional families are brow beaten for not being in an alternative relationship it would seem.

There seem to be more examples of actual beatings, bullying and suicide of people who are persecuted for being gay. So your complaints of victim-hood more than ring false.

Mother Jones article

Do you remember high school ? Remember all those times that the gay kids got together and beat up the bullies ? Me neither.

Mr.Canada · October 3, 2012

There seem to be more examples of actual beatings, bullying and suicide of people who are persecuted for being gay. So your complaints of victim-hood more than ring false.

Mother Jones article

Do you remember high school ? Remember all those times that the gay kids got together and beat up the bullies ? Me neither.

I'm not anti-gay. But they should just stay in the closet for their own safety imo. I'm against students bullying other students in any way shape or form for any reason.

When I went to school their were no gay kids. I went to school in the suburbs. Either their were none or they stayed in the closet. Their were barely any minorities.

Edited October 3, 2012 by Mr.Canada

Michael Hardner · October 3, 2012

When I went to school their were no gay kids.

I can almost guarantee that is incorrect with statistics and probability theory.

I went to school in the suburbs.

Oh, ok... that makes perfect sense... uh... :huh:

Either their were none or they stayed in the closet. Their were barely any minorities.

(Please... it's spelled "they're"... I hate to be a spelling cop but ...)

Anyway, how'd you feel about the gays being in the closet ? Do you think they liked being there ? Did you like them in the closet ?

Mr.Canada · October 3, 2012

Anyway, how'd you feel about the gays being in the closet ?

I felt fine about it since I didn't know if they were gay or not, worked out great.

Do you think they liked being there ?

I am sure it was safer so they were happy to not get bet up daily by a bunch of farmers.

Did you like them in the closet ?

I'm not sure if any gays were present or not but like i said it worked out well for me and my friends. I seriously doubt we had any gays in our school but I guess anything is possible. I graduated in 1992 so I went to high school a long time ago. I was born in 75.

Melanie_ · October 3, 2012

It seems like normal people need to have tolerance for others but they not need have tolerance for the majority of normal families. It's almost they resent normal families.

Define normal.

Mr.Canada · October 3, 2012

Define normal.

Normal = mother and father or Single Parent families.

Michael Hardner · October 3, 2012

I felt fine about it since I didn't know if they were gay or not, worked out great.

Right. So you complain that "normal" families are brow beaten but you're fine with people not being allowed to be themselves without fear of being beaten up.

That's a double standard.

Melanie_ · October 3, 2012

Normal = mother and father or Single Parent families.

But what makes that normal? Normal is a very subjective concept. Whatever you are accustomed to is "normal" in your view, but could be abnormal to someone else.

Mr.Canada · October 3, 2012

But what makes that normal? Normal is a very subjective concept. Whatever you are accustomed to is "normal" in your view, but could be abnormal to someone else.

To me the majority is normal. Everything else is abnormal and different.

Smallc · October 3, 2012

Those posters are a perfect example. No where do they show a normal kid and family instead they show only the weirdos. The minority. Not the norm. No matter how hard they try, what the show will ever be normal.

Who elected you to decide for the rest of us what is normal/weird/etc?

Bonam · October 3, 2012

Lo.. What was his nick? I'd love to read his posts for a laugh.

http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index.php?showuser=6406

Most of the good stuff was in the ground zero mosque thread starting here:

http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index.php?showtopic=16337&view=findpost&p=570420

I lol'd heartily rereading those few pages just now.

Edited October 3, 2012 by Bonam

Mr.Canada · October 3, 2012

http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index.php?showuser=6406

Most of the good stuff was in the ground zero mosque thread starting here:

http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index.php?showtopic=16337&view=findpost&p=570420

I lol'd heartily rereading those few pages just now.

That guy is out there for sure. Probably a multi account of another member.

bleeding heart · October 3, 2012

http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index.php?showuser=6406

Most of the good stuff was in the ground zero mosque thread starting here:

http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index.php?showtopic=16337&view=findpost&p=570420

I lol'd heartily rereading those few pages just now.

Ha!

It's even funnier than I remembered. Awesome stuff.

GostHacked · October 3, 2012

It's an interesting thing to think about though. It seems that the traditional family unit is under constant attack by those who would seem to wish to destroy them.

Society had changed over the last few decades, and I would tend to agree with you in this case. A good solid loving functioning family (in the traditional sense) is something to be laughed at or ridiculed it seems. Lots of single parents, gay parents, ... even step families are on the decline.

I don't have a problem with single or gay parents, we are told to be so inclusive on everything the one thing there from the start, the traditional family is on the decline and getting pushed out.

it's hard to quantify it in words, but it's a sense you get when you look at modern society on the whole.

bleeding heart · October 3, 2012

Society had changed over the last few decades, and I would tend to agree with you in this case. A good solid loving functioning family (in the traditional sense) is something to be laughed at or ridiculed it seems.

it's hard to quantify it in words, but it's a sense you get when you look at modern society on the whole.

I don't think that's good enough.

Where and by whom is the "traditional" family being laughed at and ridiculed?

Even as it's only an impression, there must be something concrete that allows such an impression to exist.

Black Dog · October 3, 2012

Society had changed over the last few decades, and I would tend to agree with you in this case. A good solid loving functioning family (in the traditional sense) is something to be laughed at or ridiculed it seems.

I don't see any evidence that people who chose a heteronormative family structure are being ridiculed at all.

Lots of single parents, gay parents, ... even step families are on the decline.
I don't have a problem with single or gay parents, we are told to be so inclusive on everything the one thing there from the start, the traditional family is on the decline and getting pushed out.

it's hard to quantify it in words, but it's a sense you get when you look at modern society on the whole.

How is the traditional family being "pushed out?"

If the traditional family is in decline, why is that? I would suggest that increased acceptance of non-traditional arraignments has given people simply have more options to choose from these days in terms of how they wish to structure their families and relationships. That's a good thing IMO, as people are probably happier and more productive when they aren't forced by social convention to adopt a lifestyle they don't want to be a part of.

Black Dog · October 3, 2012

I'm not anti-gay. But they should just stay in the closet for their own safety imo. I'm against students bullying other students in any way shape or form for any reason.

But rather than change the behaviour of bullies, you'd rather put the onus on their victims to not be victimized. Nice. :rolleyes:

Michael Hardner · October 3, 2012

Who elected you to decide for the rest of us what is normal/weird/etc?

You see, Smallc, this is a continuation of August1991's mantra that the right favours 'choice'.

In this example, Mr. Canada supports the choice of gays to hide out of sight to avoid beatings from the right.

(Yes, it's hyperbole but we've countered this ridiculous argument with reason so at this point it's better to try something new rather than repeat ourselves.)

Michael Hardner · October 3, 2012

I don't see any evidence that people who chose a heteronormative family structure are being ridiculed at all.

No, you didn't miss anything. It's the absurd logic of anti-tolerance preached by those who are happy to frighten people to the point of hiding, while they complain about non-existent brow beating.

This is why such bullies dominate society. The only way that the rest of us can fight this is to band together and fight it.

Wild Bill · October 3, 2012

You see, Smallc, this is a continuation of August1991's mantra that the right favours 'choice'.

In this example, Mr. Canada supports the choice of gays to hide out of sight to avoid beatings from the right.

(Yes, it's hyperbole but we've countered this ridiculous argument with reason so at this point it's better to try something new rather than repeat ourselves.)

This is a tired old excuse for authorities not to have to get off their ass and do their duty.

Gays should not have to hide. Neither should a woman have to avoid walking at night or dress like a drab to avoid male attention.

The law is the law and should be enforced equally for all or it becomes meaningless.

Otherwise, the law loses respect and encourages vigilantism.

As when an intruder sues someone for resisting his burglary attempt too strongly, or when a shopkeeper tries to defend his property himself after being repeatedly robbed and then ignored by the constabulary.

Or at Caledonia, where the police tossed the townsfolk to the wolves and allowed the native protestors free rein, because it was politically expedient.

We live in times when the law picks and chooses where it cares to be applied.

Michael Hardner · October 3, 2012

This is a tired old excuse for authorities not to have to get off their ass and do their duty.

I would submit that changing peoples' attitudes makes more sense on many levels than bringing the legal system into play.

kraychik · October 3, 2012

You are really good at undermining any cause you claim to support. Fess up, you are secretly a right wing fanatic, and your online persona is your way of discrediting the left.

That's my impression, as well. I think this user is just acting the role of a leftist.