Tolerance In Public Schools

[g_bambino]

Guess three some is okay these days

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/09/26/threesomes-on-toronto-school-board-posters-not-polygamous-spokesman/

I think so.

[g_bambino]

Quite frankly, a 5 or 6 year old is unlikely to question his/her sexuality because of these posters. They're unlikely to understand what sexuality or sexual orientation is. You put these posters in a kindergarden, you are waisting your time.

That's pretty much my feeling on the matter. People think they're making some kind of difference, others think those people are making the wrong impression, but, really, I doubt the kids give a shit either way. Waste of time and, hence, waste of money.

[kraychik]

Let's see here...

TDSB website:

http://www.tdsb.on.ca/_site/viewitem.asp?siteid=15&menuid=5404&pageid=4720

there's a link on that page to the coalition for positive sexuality

http://www.positive.org/JustSayYes/index.html

and that site contains a web forum:

http://www.positive.org/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=6730

This is what we're talking about.

Referred to in The Sun as:

The links on the left side of the TDSB website you posted are frightening and packed with leftist ideology. All these Orwellian terms, like "anti-racism", "anti-classism", "gender equity", "social justice", which essentially all mean the opposite of their intended message. African, Asian, Jewish, and Islamic heritage? This "multicultural" policy sure is complicated! Whatever happened to Canadian heritage and history? Well, it doesn't exist in a post-national multicultural state.

From the "Just Say Yes" campaign (a sickening message for kids):

Just Say Yes is about having a positive attitude towards sexuality -- gay, straight,bisexual or whatever. It's about saying "yes" to sex you do want, and "no" to sex you don't. It says there's nothing wrong with you if you decide to have sex, and nothing wrong with you if you decide not to.

You have the right to make your own choices, and to have people respect them.

Sex is enjoyable when everyone involved is into it, and when everyone has the information they need to take care of themselves and each other.

Unreal. But then, this is Toronto, essentially Canada's cultural San Francisco. Is there any doubt that if parents were given a voice in whether or not this type of attitude should be endorsed by the TDSB that they would overwhelmingly reject it? It's literally as if the TDSB administration is doing everything it can to destroy the minds of the next generation.

Interested folks should check the glossary at the bottom of this link:

Anti-Classism and Socio-Economic Equity

The TDSB is literally using neo-Marxist ideology in its composition of curriculum. This is beyond sick.

[Michael Hardner]

The links on the left side of the TDSB website you posted are frightening and packed with leftist ideology. ...

Sorry, you're a hopeless idealogue. You don't want to discuss issues with others with whom you disagree. You'd rather just jump on a soap box.

We've seen posters like you come and go, and they do go quickly because they (i.e. you) aren't interested in discussion. The conservatives on this board who have valid points will be engaged with, they will make their values known, and they will be listened to. Posters like you will never have their points of view incorporated to the end solution, and maybe that's a good thing.

[Mr.Canada]

Reaally?

Where/when did that happen?

Aren't you catastrophizibg just a bitt?

"Suzy has two moms" isn't about 'sexuality' to a 5year old. It"s about families.

It's up to me as a parent to decide when to explain these types of things to my children. It's not the place of the school. Parents raise children not teachers.

Teachers are brainwashing children, plain and simple.

brain·wash·ing

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noun

1.

a method for systematically changing attitudes or altering beliefs, originated in totalitarian countries, especially through the use of torture, drugs, or psychological-stress techniques.

2.

any method of controlled systematic indoctrination, especially one based on repetition or confusion: brainwashing by TV commercials.

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[Michael Hardner]

It's up to me as a parent to decide when to explain these types of things to my children. It's not the place of the school. Parents raise children not teachers.

I already explained to you why this premise is wrong and you didn't reply. Why not ?

Your child isn't a pet or lawn ornament. They will grow up to be an adult and a citizen in my community, so I have a say in what is taught to them.

[Mr.Canada]

I already explained to you why this premise is wrong and you didn't reply. Why not ?

Your child isn't a pet or lawn ornament. They will grow up to be an adult and a citizen in my community, so I have a say in what is taught to them.

Lol. Maybe in the broad strokes everyone can say that. When was the last time you recommended to the school board what should be or not be taught? What was your recommendation? Did they accept it?

[Michael Hardner]

Lol. Maybe in the broad strokes everyone can say that.

Exactly. You can ensure that students are taught to respect peoples' religions and I can ensure that students respect sexual preference, if that is our concern.

When was the last time you recommended to the school board what should be or not be taught? What was your recommendation? Did they accept it?

I'm fine with the way things are, thanks. If you have a complaint, sit and stew or get up and do something - your choice.

[g_bambino]

It's up to me as a parent to decide when to explain these types of things to my children.

I'm certainly no advocate of parents abdicating their responsibilities for their childrens' upbringing and leaving the task to the school. I also (as I already said) think kids simply won't be interested in matters of sexual and gender identity politics until a certain (though still not definite) age. However, parents usually do have to leave a certain amount of child rearing to schools; to educate the children in matters the parents aren't expert in or just have the time to impart. Otherwise, why bother sending one's kids there at all?

So, with kids in schools' care - and they are at school for a very large percentage of their young lives - school staff will have to deal with certain matters over which you have no control, because you're just not there. Take the entirely possible hypothetical scenario: Little Molly Canada torments a classmate for having two mommies. The teacher has to deal with that conflict. And how can he or she do so without explaining certain things to little Molly?

You can't hold absolute control over what your kids learn or when.

[GostHacked]

The community has a say in how you raise your child.

How much control over raising your child are you as a responsible parent willing to give up?

[Mr.Canada]

Exactly. You can ensure that students are taught to respect peoples' religions and I can ensure that students respect sexual preference, if that is our concern.

I'm fine with the way things are, thanks. If you have a complaint, sit and stew or get up and do something - your choice.

Yes, I'm fine with both of these to be honest but I just don't think that 5 year olds in kindergarten need to be taught about sex of any kind and you're in favor of that.

We both take an active role in our children's education. It's really sad that a lot of other parents don't especially public school parents who just drop of their children without a care to what they are being taught.

[Michael Hardner]

How much control over raising your child are you as a responsible parent willing to give up?

How do you even measure that?

[GostHacked]

How do you even measure that?

If you need to ask, then you might not be fit to be a parent.

[scribblet]

I just heard that the Board is taking down the link - and rightly so.

[Black Dog]

Yes, I'm fine with both of these to be honest but I just don't think that 5 year olds in kindergarten need to be taught about sex of any kind and you're in favor of that.

Why not? Let's be real here: is there any reason kids shouldn't be introduced to certain concepts?

[Black Dog]

The links on the left side of the TDSB website you posted are frightening and packed with leftist ideology. All these Orwellian terms, like "anti-racism", "anti-classism", "gender equity", "social justice", which essentially all mean the opposite of their intended message. African, Asian, Jewish, and Islamic heritage? This "multicultural" policy sure is complicated! Whatever happened to Canadian heritage and history? Well, it doesn't exist in a post-national multicultural state.

Or it's just in another part of the curriculum.

Pillock!

[Mr.Canada]

Why not? Let's be real here: is there any reason kids shouldn't be introduced to certain concepts?

Lol. This cannot be serious. It's interesting to find out that you're in favor of 5 year olds learning about sexual intercourse. You obviously are not a parent. Let kids be kids they grow up too fast as it is.

[Black Dog]

Lol. This cannot be serious. It's interesting to find out that you're in favor of 5 year olds learning about sexual intercourse. You obviously are not a parent. Let kids be kids they grow up too fast as it is.

I'm dead serious. Give me a rational reason why sex is something you shouldn't discuss with 5 year olds.

Edited September 27, 2012 by Black Dog

[guyser]

Lol. This cannot be serious.

Actually he , and by extension so am I, is quite serious. You arent thinking this through at all.

It's interesting to find out that you're in favor of 5 year olds learning about sexual intercourse. You obviously are not a parent. Let kids be kids they grow up too fast as it is.

A 5 yr old can quite easily learn (or witness) sexual intercourse without harm.

You probably did at that age, and I believe I did too. IN fact the great majority of posters here have.

Are you aware of any lasting damage or anything untoward at all?

Lots of 5 yr olds go to farms in the spring or fall and witness birth, copulation and death.

Lots of 5 yr olds go to dog parks or have dogs and witness two dogs humping.

So....now do you see the error?

[Mr.Canada]

Wow, you guys are twisted. Sorry but my children will not be exposed to pornography. I know for sure now that neither of you have children. It's scary to think that there are people on this board who are ok with showing children pornography. This is what's wrong with society.

So for the record Black Dog and Guyser do you guys have children?

I'd like to know what sort of parents would plop their toddler down in front of the tv to watch pornography or to have sex in front of them. This is child abuse, plain and simple.

Edited September 27, 2012 by Mr.Canada

[Michael Hardner]

If you need to ask, then you might not be fit to be a parent.

If I need to ask how you measure control ? It's a completely dispassionate question.

How would YOU measure control ? Hours in the day ? Cycles of brain attention ?

This just seems like another excuse for somebody to rocket into the outrage-o-sphere.

[Michael Hardner]

Wow, you guys are twisted. Sorry but my children will not be exposed to pornography. I know for sure now that neither of you have children.

Don't ask a question if you're going to be so outraged at the answer that you have to walk away from the discussion. If the community decides that you will be offended by what your kids are taught then I guess you're out of luck.

If not, there's a cabin in Northern Ontario just waiting for you and your future Unabomber child. The rest of us will be back in Southern Ontario dealing with life, thanks.

[Mr.Canada]

Don't ask a question if you're going to be so outraged at the answer that you have to walk away from the discussion. If the community decides that you will be offended by what your kids are taught then I guess you're out of luck.

If not, there's a cabin in Northern Ontario just waiting for you and your future Unabomber child. The rest of us will be back in Southern Ontario dealing with life, thanks.

I'm not outraged. I just cannot believe that people here are ok with exposing small children to sexual intercourse. Isn't this child abuse?

My children are enrolled in Catholic Board so none of this effects me at all.

[guyser]

Wow, you guys are twisted. Sorry but my children will not be exposed to pornography.

Too late they already have!

. It's scary to think that there are people on this board who are ok with showing children pornography.

Hey troll, show us where anyone said they were ok with showing that?

So for the record ....

have you stopped beating your wife or fornicating with your dog?

[Mr.Canada]

This is turning into a strange thread.