bud Posted September 5, 2012 Report Posted September 5, 2012 (edited) Richard Henry Bain, 62, arrested after man shot dead during Pauline Marois victory speech link curious to hear what those who are from quebec feel about this incident and about the so-called separatist party coming to power. to me, it looks like the PQ won because the liberals didn't do their job. it doesn't look like this was an election about separatism. i do admit, the quebec elections hasn't really been on my radar. Edited September 5, 2012 by bud Quote http://whoprofits.org/
wyly Posted September 5, 2012 Report Posted September 5, 2012 (edited) i don't think it was about separatism either, the student revolt may have supplied enough of a voter shift to unseat the government...winning elections has become one of identifying and winning voting blocks, the student vote if it can be motivated to vote and vent their anger at their perceived enemy... Edited September 5, 2012 by Charles Anthony deleted re-copied Opening Post Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
TheNewTeddy Posted September 5, 2012 Report Posted September 5, 2012 It is sad, but we must take seriously. Our precious democracy is fragile and always under threat. We must stand, united, to protect it. Quote Feel free to contact me outside the forums. Add "TheNewTeddy" to Twitter, Facebook, or Hotmail to reach me!
PIK Posted September 5, 2012 Report Posted September 5, 2012 Richard Henry Bain, 62, arrested after man shot dead during Pauline Marois victory speech link curious to hear what those who are from quebec feel about this incident and about the so-called separatist party coming to power. to me, it looks like the PQ won because the liberals didn't do their job. it doesn't look like this was an election about separatism. i do admit, the quebec elections hasn't really been on my radar. The federal goverment past and present did not do thier job in explaining what separatioin really means.If that ahppened ,things would be very different. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
The_Squid Posted September 5, 2012 Report Posted September 5, 2012 It is sad, but we must take seriously. Our precious democracy is fragile and always under threat. We must stand, united, to protect it. The self determination of any people is a democratic right. Democracy is not under threat by separatism, but by governments willing to erode democratic freedoms... Quote
CPCFTW Posted September 5, 2012 Report Posted September 5, 2012 (edited) I suppose those of you who defend Quebec's right to secede also believe in the right of the "League of the South" to secede? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/League_of_the_South Or is it only ok to be racist if you are the majority, or you have a different language, or you're socially "progressive"? Edited September 5, 2012 by CPCFTW Quote
Topaz Posted September 5, 2012 Report Posted September 5, 2012 Well, the Liberals did have 9 years as government and we voters tend to get tired of our governments and vote them out and in the case of Quebec, what choice did they have? The other three parties are much alike and the PQ may get what they want from the third party but the minority is better than giving them a majority. Quote
The_Squid Posted September 5, 2012 Report Posted September 5, 2012 I suppose those of you who defend Quebec's right to secede also believe in the right of the "League of the South" to secede? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/League_of_the_South Or is it only ok to be racist if you are the majority, or you have a different language, or you're socially "progressive"? League of the South? What do I care what Americans do? The right of self determination has nothing to do with race. Would Francophones kick out black people? Where is the racism? Quote
Smallc Posted September 5, 2012 Report Posted September 5, 2012 The right of self determination has nothing to do with race. Would Francophones kick out black people? Where is the racism? It's not racism, it's xenophobic language and cultural policies. Quote
The_Squid Posted September 6, 2012 Report Posted September 6, 2012 It's not racism, it's xenophobic language and cultural policies. I disagree with those.... But, apparently they are perfectly legal in Canada. Quote
Smallc Posted September 6, 2012 Report Posted September 6, 2012 I disagree with those.... But, apparently they are perfectly legal in Canada. Well, some of the proposals aren't I wouldn't think. Quote
madmax Posted September 6, 2012 Report Posted September 6, 2012 Well, some of the proposals aren't I wouldn't think. Not withstanding Quote
CPCFTW Posted September 6, 2012 Report Posted September 6, 2012 League of the South? What do I care what Americans do? The right of self determination has nothing to do with race. Would Francophones kick out black people? Where is the racism? Yeah where is the racism? According to an excerpt from the groups website: The LS disavows a spirit of malice and extends an offer of good will and cooperation to Southern blacks in areas where we can work together as Christians to make life better for all people in the South. We affirm that, while historically the interests of Southern blacks and whites have been in part antagonistic, true Constitutional government would provide protection to all law-abiding citizens — not just to government-sponsored victim groups.[7] Replace "blacks" with "anglos" and you can probably find the same quote in the PQ platform, yet only one group is labeled a hate group by the left. The sad truth is that the PQ is a supremacist party masquerading as a party that wants to preserve the french "culture". Quote
The_Squid Posted September 6, 2012 Report Posted September 6, 2012 Yeah where is the racism? Replace "blacks" with "anglos" and you can probably find the same quote in the PQ platform, yet only one group is labeled a hate group by the left. The sad truth is that the PQ is a supremacist party masquerading as a party that wants to preserve the french "culture". You exaggerate. They aren't kicking Anglos out. The pq may be distasteful, but let's not exaggerate their policies and call them "racist". The word loses all meaning and you lose the debate. Quote
CPCFTW Posted September 6, 2012 Report Posted September 6, 2012 (edited) You exaggerate. They aren't kicking Anglos out. The pq may be distasteful, but let's not exaggerate their policies and call them "racist". The word loses all meaning and you lose the debate. To be fair, I said that they were supremacists... French culture supremacists. They aren't kicking anyone out of Quebec, and no one kicked the slaves out of the confederate states of america either. I wonder if we'll need an underground railroad for the anglos fleeing Quebec's newly formed Xenophobia... oops I mean Utopia... But I digress... Anyway, in the event of a secession due to a 50% + 1 vote, I would not be surprised if there were mass protests/riots in Montreal which the QC government would not have the capacity to contain. We get riots over Stanley Cup finals and insufficient tuition subsidization, I have a hard time believing 50% - 1 of Quebecers would allow the government to hold them hostage for their Canadian citizenship and homes without a fight. Edited September 6, 2012 by CPCFTW Quote
jbg Posted September 6, 2012 Report Posted September 6, 2012 You exaggerate. They aren't kicking Anglos out. The pq may be distasteful, but let's not exaggerate their policies and call them "racist". The word loses all meaning and you lose the debate. But some PQ legislation such as Bill 101 is highly discriminatory. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
madmax Posted September 6, 2012 Report Posted September 6, 2012 But some PQ legislation such as Bill 101 is highly discriminatory. It is, as is alot of legislation passed by all governments. I am certain the US has had its fair share of discriminatory legislation over the years. Quote
madmax Posted September 6, 2012 Report Posted September 6, 2012 Richard Henry Bain, 62, arrested after man shot dead during Pauline Marois victory speech Did I hear correctly. He owned a Gun Store Quote
jbg Posted September 6, 2012 Report Posted September 6, 2012 I am certain the US has had its fair share of discriminatory legislation over the years. The Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965, as implementing the 14th and 15th amendments of the U.S. Constitution, as well as those Amendments themselves, tames a lot of that kind of legislation. And we don't have a "notwithstanding" clause. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Guest Derek L Posted September 6, 2012 Report Posted September 6, 2012 Did I hear correctly. He owned a Gun Store Nope, a unregistered fishing & hunting lodge. Quote
cybercoma Posted September 6, 2012 Report Posted September 6, 2012 The self determination of any people is a democratic right. Democracy is not under threat by separatism, but by governments willing to erode democratic freedoms... I never really bought the argument that Québec doesn't have self-determination. They're a province within a confederacy of provinces that makes up Canada. They have self-determination through their own provincial government, which they call their National Assembly, and also by having a significant contingent in the House of Commons of 75/308 seats. In fact, their Québec nationalist party, the Bloc Québécois, was the official opposition at one point. To me, a state that has its own National Assembly and significant representation in the confederacy just doesn't sound like a state that's lacking self-determination. Quote
PIK Posted September 6, 2012 Report Posted September 6, 2012 Did I hear correctly. He owned a Gun Store And if he did? Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
jacee Posted September 6, 2012 Report Posted September 6, 2012 (edited) Richard Henry Bain, 62, arrested after man shot dead during Pauline Marois victory speech link curious to hear what those who are from quebec feel about this incident and about the so-called separatist party coming to power. to me, it looks like the PQ won because the liberals didn't do their job. it doesn't look like this was an election about separatism. i do admit, the quebec elections hasn't really been on my radar. Charest dug his own grave by colluding with big business and corruption. The election results have nothing to do with separatism. That's just the screeching of the big corruption business as their gravy train grinds to a halt. The looney toon with the gun obviously fell victim to the 'separatist bogeyman' propaganda from the big corruption business, but no one with their wits about them seriously believes that there is any real threat of separation any longer. The people still railing against separatism have unresolved ethnic prejudices and are best ignored. Edited September 6, 2012 by jacee Quote
The_Squid Posted September 6, 2012 Report Posted September 6, 2012 But some PQ legislation such as Bill 101 is highly discriminatory. I agree completely! Quote
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