RCMP order plane towing a banner criticizing Harper to land

[wyly]

The RCMP would have been a small cog in the entire affair, as any aircraft flying near or in restricted airspace, in our Post 9/11 world are monitored, in this case, by both MacDonald-Cartier and CFB North Bay………And such orders, regardless if the plane is towing a sign, are carried out automatically, fore DND/NORAD, Transport Canada, NAV-CAN, and the PSA(including RCMP “A” div) don’t know if said aircraft is piloted by a Mohamed Atta or a Mathias Rust (or someone in between)

that can be said of every privately flown plane in canada, nobody is going to buy that deflection...

[Guest Derek L]

per the media, a NAV-CAN spokesperson referred all requests for information to the RCMP.

I look forward to your follow-up info/cite that shows, categorically, the request for the plane to land did not originate from the RCMP.

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[The_Squid]

All of DerekL's quotes are wonderful.... Good information there! And not relevant to what occurred.... The RCMP has admitted that they had NAVCAN "ask" the pilot to land and then interrogated him about his sign. They said it might be "hate speech", which is totally absurd.... Then they said that he might have been in restricted airspace, but the flight was known and the pilot was in contact with the tower to ensure that he was not in restricted airspace.... then they said he was flying low... and came up with a couple other lame justifications for bringing him down.

[Guest Derek L]

All of DerekL's quotes are wonderful.... Good information there! And not relevant to what occurred.... The RCMP has admitted that they had NAVCAN "ask" the pilot to land and then interrogated him about his sign. They said it might be "hate speech", which is totally absurd.... Then they said that he might have been in restricted airspace, but the flight was known and the pilot was in contact with the tower to ensure that he was not in restricted airspace.... then they said he was flying low... and came up with a couple other lame justifications for bringing him down.

Has the pilot been charged? Worked over by Harper’s “Gestapo”?

Have the union organizers been detained as accomplices?

If anything, the few thousand bucks spent to hire him to fly over the march, has proven to be a boon for the union, as their “advertising” has now spread from coast to coast as opposed to the Ottawa area………They should be thanking the Federal Government’s response and the MSM……….Will their message be effective? Doubt it.

Edited September 4, 2012 by Derek L

[The_Squid]

Has the pilot been charged? Worked over by Harper’s “Gestapo”?

Have the union organizers been detained as accomplices?

Charged with what? That's the point DerekL.... he wasn't doing anything wrong. Which means that the RCMP, and whoever directed them, do not like protest signs and, essentially, took away their message for no legitimate reason. This is not allowed in Canada. People have a right to peaceful protest and free speech.

If anything, the few thousand bucks spent to hire him to fly over the march, has proven to be a boon for the union, as their “advertising” has now spread from coast to coast as opposed to the Ottawa area………They should be thanking the Federal Government’s response and the MSM……….Will their message be effective? Doubt it.

Through their illegal and stupid actions, this went national rather than over a few thousand heads in Ottawa. That's a good thing in terms of the protestor's message , but they shouldn't be thanked for doing something underhanded.

[cybercoma]

The article is factually incorrect, as the RCMP can’t order an aircraft to land……….Such requests have to go through Transport Canada, via either/or NAV-CAN, DND (NORAD) or PSA (which the RCMP falls under)……. Ultimately, the aircraft would have been ordered to land by the Civil Aviation Operations Division of Transport Canada……….If that failed, it would have been “landed” by a Hornet.

Capt. Pedantry to the rescue.

[Guest Derek L]

Charged with what? That's the point DerekL.... he wasn't doing anything wrong. Which means that the RCMP, and whoever directed them, do not like protest signs and, essentially, took away their message for no legitimate reason. This is not allowed in Canada. People have a right to peaceful protest and free speech.

And what about these guys? Were they protesting stuff,thusly having their right to free speech quashed?

And what about this guy?

And what about this one?

Was this guys free speech infringed upon?

How about this one?

Through their illegal and stupid actions, this went national rather than over a few thousand heads in Ottawa. That's a good thing in terms of the protestor's message , but they shouldn't be thanked for doing something underhanded.

So, at the end of the day, no one was arrested, hurt by police, the protest went on and instead of local coverage, they got a spot on the national news………..And your problem is what?

[waldo]

Capt. Pedantry to the rescue.

ya, he followed up on his earlier Dr. Distracto routine throwing down multiple links/quotes that have nothing to do with the challenge/request put to him. Apparently, Capt. Pedantry & Dr. Distracto feel there is 'wiggle-room' to distinguish between the actual originator of the request (the RCMP) and how the request may have been relayed to the plane!

of course, the real question remains - if it wasn't the RCMP on its own initiative, who/what entity contacted the RCMP in the first place.

[GostHacked]

that can be said of every privately flown plane in canada, nobody is going to buy that deflection...

Especially while towing a sign critical of Harper. There was no security risk, just a political hot potato.

[The_Squid]

And what about these guys? Were they protesting stuff,thusly having their right to free speech quashed?

And what about this guy?

And what about this one?

Was this guys free speech infringed upon?

How about this one?

And how are these relevant to this thread? They aren't relevant whatsoever.

So, at the end of the day, no one was arrested, hurt by police, the protest went on and instead of local coverage, they got a spot on the national news………..And your problem is what?

My problem is when the RCMP (or anyone in authority) try and stifle Canadians' free speech.

[Guest Derek L]

And how are these relevant to this thread? They aren't relevant whatsoever.

-A light plane intercepted/grounded

-Restricted airspace

-Canadian/US leader

-NORAD

My problem is when the RCMP (or anyone in authority) try and stifle Canadians' free speech.

Who's free speech was stifled?

[The_Squid]

-A light plane intercepted/grounded

-Restricted airspace

-Canadian/US leader

-NORAD

Did you read any articles whatsoever? There was no issue with this plane breaching airspace restrictions.

US? NORAD?

Completely irrelevant.

Who's free speech was stifled?

The people who hired the plane to tow a banner that may have been grounded because someone in authority didn't like what the banner said.

Are you having comprehension issues today???

Edited September 4, 2012 by The_Squid

[Guest Derek L]

Did you read any articles whatsoever? There was no issue with this plane breaching airspace restrictions.

US? NORAD?

Completely irrelevant.

Who's NORAD made up of?

The people who hired the plane to tow a banner that may have been grounded because someone in authority didn't like what the banner said.

Are you having comprehension issues today???

Backing off now?

[The_Squid]

Who's NORAD made up of?

And NORAD had nothing whatsoever to do with this particular grounding!

Backing off now?

No, you just don't understand simple English.

I said "may" because I am not privy to the RCMP's reasons. I am not all-knowing. So far, the evidence suggests that someone in authority didn't like what was stated on the banner. Hopefully the truth will come out and, if this plane was grounded for no reason, there will be some sort of redress.

[Smallc]

So it seems that the RCMP thought that the plane had breeched the Parliament Hill Security Bubble. Nav Canada had 3 separate complaints from different places, and so they investigated. Watching P&P.

[scribblet]

So it seems that the RCMP thought that the plane had breeched the Parliament Hill Security Bubble. Nav Canada had 3 separate complaints from different places, and so they investigated. Watching P&P.

Seems logical doesn't it - nah - Harper did it doncha know.

So far it's all the usual speculation that the plane was actually ordered down by Harper.

What right does the union have to spend member's money on political advertising. Advertising that has nothing to do with their bargaining or labour issues, the message was not factual, only their opinion. The union does not speak politically for all, it had no right using dues to pull such a stunt.

[Smallc]

Oh, and the plane was allowed to resume its flight.

[Guest Derek L]

And NORAD had nothing whatsoever to do with this particular grounding!

They most certainly do……….NORAD is constantly monitoring North American Airspace post 9/11

No, you just don't understand simple English.

I said "may" because I am not privy to the RCMP's reasons. I am not all-knowing. So far, the evidence suggests that someone in authority didn't like what was stated on the banner. Hopefully the truth will come out and, if this plane was grounded for no reason, there will be some sort of redress.

Hey, not to derail too much, it looks the Public Service Alliance of Canada, the union that represents federal workers, and paid the pilot from the OP, is also supporting the separatist PQ in today’s Quebec election……….Doesn’t the PSAC also support the NDP?

Largest union of federal employees endorses Parti Québécois as best suited to represent interests of its members

Didn’t the FLQ (You know, those Quebec terrorist that killed Pierre Laporte) dissolve into the PQ in the 70s?

Whatever happened to Pierre Vallières?

Edited September 4, 2012 by Derek L

[waldo]

Hey, not to derail too much...

why be concerned now?

[The_Squid]

why be concerned now?

LOL Amazing isn't it, how DerekL can't stay anywhere near the topic? Distractions much?

NORAD!! 9-11!! Terrorists!! NORAD! FLQ!! PQ!! NDP!!

It's like a severe case of A.D.D.!!

[jacee]

They most certainly do……….NORAD is constantly monitoring North American Airspace post 9/11

Hey, not to derail too much, it looks the Public Service Alliance of Canada, the union that represents federal workers, and paid the pilot from the OP, is also supporting the separatist PQ in today’s Quebec election……….Doesn’t the PSAC also support the NDP?

Largest union of federal employees endorses Parti Québécois as best suited to represent interests of its members

Didn’t the FLQ (You know, those Quebec terrorist that killed Pierre Laporte) dissolve into the PQ in the 70s?

Whatever happened to Pierre Vallières?

omigod! They support the NDP!

Damn commies ...

Ground all the planes!

Get a frigging grip Derek.

[cybercoma]

You'll have to forgive the Right on this forum, jacee. They're paranoid as hell. That's why the stockpile guns.

[Guest Derek L]

omigod! They support the NDP!

Damn commies ...

Ground all the planes!

Get a frigging grip Derek.

Not your regular ole commies, “commie separatist radicals” with roots in terrorism…………A PQ separatist government, supported by the same union (PSAC) that’s former President was also the former interim leader (Nycole Turmel) of the NDP (And former member of the Bloc) and is now their party Whip in Parliament………..Ooooh those are some bad optics……….Didn’t the NDP just get in trouble over taking union money?

So we have ourselves a Ménage à trois between Separatists, radical public sector unions and the NDP……………..Aside from the CPC, the federal Liberal party could really benefit from this………

[gunrutz]

You'll have to forgive the Right on this forum, jacee. They're paranoid as hell. That's why the stockpile guns.

This is a ridiculous comment, not surprising coming form the likes of you. Sad, pathetic, idiotic, ridiculous. You're a small person.

Edited September 5, 2012 by gunrutz

[cybercoma]

This is a ridiculous comment, not surprising coming form the likes of you. Sad, pathetic, idiotic, ridiculous. You're a small person.

y u mad, bro?

Edited September 5, 2012 by cybercoma