Smallc Posted September 7, 2012 Report Posted September 7, 2012 And apparently, it is in the Quran too!! Wow!!!! Amazing! 2 holy books!!! Allah AND God must be duking it out in the heavens for supremacy!! Can't...same dude. Quote
cybercoma Posted September 7, 2012 Report Posted September 7, 2012 Can't...same dude. That was Squid's joke, I believe. Quote
Smallc Posted September 7, 2012 Report Posted September 7, 2012 That was Squid's joke, I believe. Oh..... Quote
The_Squid Posted September 7, 2012 Report Posted September 7, 2012 Can't...same dude. I'm thinking multiple personality disorder.... Quote
GostHacked Posted September 8, 2012 Report Posted September 8, 2012 Evolution from Christian standpoint.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9h-hmlMz5c Dawkins at 2:20 ... he can sense the stupid from this dude. Reminds me of the tax evader himself, Hovind. @ 2:46 "In one sense you gotta feel a little sorry for the Athiest, he can't really follow the evidence where it leads. His presuppositions determine the outcome." I think this man has a slight case of the presuppositions as well. Quote
dre Posted September 8, 2012 Report Posted September 8, 2012 Not saying there isn't, however it's not all bad, you can't say that suggesting it's a good idea to treat others with respect and to work hard is a bad thing? Of course. When the Romans wrote the new testament forced it on everyone and began wiping out folks that didnt agree, they wanted to create the right incentives for people to behave and be easily governed. So theres some good stuff in there based on the golden rule, and some carrots, and sticks and so on. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Bonam Posted September 8, 2012 Report Posted September 8, 2012 Of course. When the Romans wrote the new testament forced it on everyone and began wiping out folks that didnt agree, they wanted to create the right incentives for people to behave and be easily governed. So theres some good stuff in there based on the golden rule, and some carrots, and sticks and so on. Yep, Christianity was largely a Roman attempt to pacify and control the masses. Quote
dre Posted September 8, 2012 Report Posted September 8, 2012 Yep, Christianity was largely a Roman attempt to pacify and control the masses. Yup. A pretty successful attempt at that. Eternal life VS an Eternal Burning Sensation makes for one hell of a carrot and stick combo! Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Bonam Posted September 8, 2012 Report Posted September 8, 2012 (edited) Yup. A pretty successful attempt at that. Somewhat. It may have staved off the collapse of the empire for a couple generations, I suppose. It probably played a larger role in keeping stable middle age feudal systems, with peasants accepting their lot in life in hope of otherworldly rewards. Edited September 8, 2012 by Bonam Quote
bleeding heart Posted September 8, 2012 Report Posted September 8, 2012 Not quite. Your dealing with people who strongly believe in something just like the atheists strongly have their beliefs and have numbers. You have to put yourself in the shoes of a religious person to see where they're coming from (not necessarily believe what they believe of course). But lots of atheists, myself included, have been in their shoes. Part of my issue with religion is that I do know how many of them think. In fact, I'd wager a lot more atheists have been religious than religious people have been atheists. For those religious people, their beliefs haven't hindered them one bit and what they believe in works for them. In their eyes, if it's working, why do they need to change it? And no one, or at least very few, disagree. Again, it's about public policy. (And no, no one is advocating for an "atheist" public policy, so it's hardly the same thing.) Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
betsy Posted September 8, 2012 Author Report Posted September 8, 2012 (edited) Of course. When the Romans wrote the new testament forced it on everyone and began wiping out folks that didnt agree, they wanted to create the right incentives for people to behave and be easily governed. So theres some good stuff in there based on the golden rule, and some carrots, and sticks and so on. Ha-ha-ha Hot on the heels of your butchered history of the western civilization, you're re-doing this history too? Yep, Christianity was largely a Roman attempt to pacify and control the masses. And now, in collaboration with Bonam? You guys planning to write a book together? ha-ha-ha FYI.... The Romans were killing Christians! They killed the ones who wrote the Gospel. Paul too, died at the hands of the Romans in prison. Remember the feeding of the lions? I guess they used the Christians to pacify the Romans....gave the Romans some relaxation with this bloodsport as entertainment! Okay, I'll leave you two to talk about your upcoming book. Goodluck. Edited September 8, 2012 by betsy Quote
Melanie_ Posted September 8, 2012 Report Posted September 8, 2012 Ha-ha-ha Hot on the heels of your butchered history of the western civilization, you're re-doing this history too? And now, in collaboration with Bonam? You guys planning to write a book together? ha-ha-ha FYI.... The Romans were killing Christians! They killed the ones who wrote the Gospel. Paul too, died at the hands of the Romans in prison. Remember the feeding of the lions? I guess they used the Christians to pacify the Romans....gave the Romans some relaxation with this bloodsport as entertainment! Okay, I'll leave you two to talk about your upcoming book. Goodluck. Betsy, have you ever heard of the Holy Roman Empire? Or the Roman Catholic Church? Who do you think spread Christianity throughout Europe? The Romans continued to exist long after the death of Paul. Quote For to be free is not merely to cast off one's chains, but to live in a way that respects and enhances the freedom of others. Nelson Mandela
cybercoma Posted September 8, 2012 Report Posted September 8, 2012 And without Roman Catholics there would be no Protestants (Martin Luther was Catholic) from whom the Baptists are derived. Quote
Moonlight Graham Posted September 9, 2012 Report Posted September 9, 2012 (edited) Why are we still arguing with Betsy? I mean, in general? Edited September 9, 2012 by Moonlight Graham Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
dre Posted September 9, 2012 Report Posted September 9, 2012 The Romans were killing Christians! They killed the ones who wrote the Gospel. Paul too, died at the hands of the Romans in prison. You dont even have a clue who wrote the gospels, and they were not written until more than 70 years after Jesus died. Whats in your little book was written at the behest of the Roman government... Probably by the Piso's or some other aristocrats. Most of the stories about Jesus were not even included, and a large ammount of Christian texts were destroyed. But dont take my word for it! Ask the Pope! How well we know what a profitable superstition this fable of Christ has been for us. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
betsy Posted September 9, 2012 Author Report Posted September 9, 2012 (edited) Why are we still arguing with Betsy? I mean, in general? So, does that mean your comment in the Bible didn't really address the issue? No wonder you suddenly went off the radar after I threw you the challenge. I appreciate your intervention though about these folks (Dre, Melanie, Squid, SmallC).....though I wouldn't really call this "arguing." We're just "fooling around," at least as far as I'm concern anyway. See, even smallc finds it fun to be a spectator....which is understandable. I can just imagine his relief to not be the one on the hot seat for a change.... C'mon, how can I really take these guys seriously with the kind of stuffs they bring to the table? personal opinions (which tend to be the deadly giveaways), and re-makings of history to boot. Not to mention citing snippets from so-called sources, but doesn't give the link for the source! Etc...oh the things one will do out of desperation.... Edited September 9, 2012 by betsy Quote
betsy Posted September 9, 2012 Author Report Posted September 9, 2012 (edited) You dont even have a clue who wrote the gospels, and they were not written until more than 70 years after Jesus died. Whats in your little book was written at the behest of the Roman government... Probably by the Piso's or some other aristocrats. Most of the stories about Jesus were not even included, and a large ammount of Christian texts were destroyed. But dont take my word for it! Ask the Pope! To you and Melanie.... Whether the New Testament is complete or incomplete, or when was it written and who wrote it...or blah-blah-blah, is not the issue at hand.....and those questions will not change the fact I'm throwing at you guys. Furthermore, all your rebutting questions are all useless and irrelevant if you cannot answer the very simple question I'm asking you. We are talking about the Book much, much older than the New Testament. We're into the OLD TESTAMENT. I can understand how it must feel to be in panic mode - and shellshocked - but do please, try to focus. So, answer this: betsy:Whether it is or it is not the right translation....the fact of the matter is that the word, "stretches" or "stretching," still ended up appearing in the Bible! 11 times! In the right context! How is that??? And just as a simple reminder to one and all: Oh, and may I remind you that this particular simple explanation by ancient "dirt scrabblers" is just one of many that's also been supported by science. And may I remind you also, that in most, if not all, of those other stated simple explanations, science had to use technology to arrive at their findings....whereas the ancient "dirt scrabblers" had nothing - except the dictation from the One who knows. Edited September 9, 2012 by betsy Quote
bleeding heart Posted September 9, 2012 Report Posted September 9, 2012 (edited) It's credibility, if you want to be known as tolerant, let's see it. Right now, your just as intolerant as some of the others you get into exchanges with. I disagree with a lot of people, but they don't get a brow beating like people here are giving Betsy. It's classless and gutless. Then if you "browbeat"--that is, caustically disagree with anyone on any subject, in less than perfectly diplomatic tones (which you do, blueblood, regularly)...you are holding others to a higher standard than you hold yourself. For...some reason, unstated. At any rate, betsy doesn't need your spirited defense: I appreciate your intervention though about these folks.....though I wouldn't really call this "arguing." We're just "fooling around," at least as far as I'm concern anyway. Edited September 9, 2012 by bleeding heart Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
betsy Posted September 9, 2012 Author Report Posted September 9, 2012 (edited) Then if you "browbeat"--that is, caustically disagree with anyone on any subject, in less than perfectly diplomatic tones (which you do, blueblood, regularly)...you are holding others to a higher standard than you hold yourself. For...some reason, unstated. At any rate, betsy doesn't need your spirited defense: Nice try to use me as a pawn in your argument. Taking my statement out of context. But then that shouldn't matter to you I suppose? Anything goes? As long as it suits your purpose? Just so to make it clear that the "fooling around" statement was meant for the few ones who came on board only just recently...squid, cyber, smallc, dre, bonam and melanie to be specific. Edited September 9, 2012 by betsy Quote
betsy Posted September 9, 2012 Author Report Posted September 9, 2012 Okay, grab your popcorn! MOVIE TIME! http://kids4truth.com/Dyna/Watchmaker/English.aspx yeah....I know....it's meant for kidz....but hey, at least it's really simplified. Quote
dre Posted September 9, 2012 Report Posted September 9, 2012 Okay, grab your popcorn! MOVIE TIME! http://kids4truth.com/Dyna/Watchmaker/English.aspx yeah....I know....it's meant for kidz....but hey, at least it's really simplified. ROFLMAO Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
dre Posted September 9, 2012 Report Posted September 9, 2012 http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRBHxJBUv_A Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
bleeding heart Posted September 9, 2012 Report Posted September 9, 2012 Nice try to use me as a pawn in your argument. Taking my statement out of context. But then that shouldn't matter to you I suppose? Anything goes? As long as it suits your purpose? My "purpose" was my appreciation of your let's-not-get-too-worked-up-over-internet-debates comment. I apologize if I misread this as rational. Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
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