Wisconsin Shikh temple shooting

[Signals.Cpl]

you are an intellectual lightweight. you pretend to know lots but i see through your thin smokescreen. the USA has the most violent gun crimes in the western world. that is a FACT but i guess you don't like facts.

Really? Just because you say something does not make it a fact and no amount of feet stomping or crying will fix that. It was proven to you that Europe is just if not more so violent than the US but hey a troll is a troll and you won't be a good troll if you had any knowledge of common sence.

[Signals.Cpl]

These sources you quote are dubious. I don't buy them. A few isolated incidents in Europe doesn't make it violent compared to the gun loving USA.

So wait, you don't accept facts because they don't conform to your ridiculous ideas? Gee so much for being open minded.

[socialist]

So wait, you don't accept facts because they don't conform to your ridiculous ideas? Gee so much for being open minded.

there is no way in hell western europe has more random violence than the usa. are you that cracked?

[Signals.Cpl]

there is no way in hell western europe has more random violence than the usa. are you that cracked?

I posted some facts, American Women posted a hell of a lot of facts and figures to prove you wrong, but I guess trolls are not bothered by facts or reality for that matter.

[socialist]

I posted some facts, American Women posted a hell of a lot of facts and figures to prove you wrong, but I guess trolls are not bothered by facts or reality for that matter.

Nov. 5, 2009: The Army says 13 people were killed and 30 wounded in a shooting rampage at its Fort Hood base in Texas. The suspected lone gunman has been identified as Army psychiatrist Major Nidal Malik Hasan, one of the 30 injured.

April 3, 2009: A 41-year-old man opened fire at an immigrant community center in Binghamton, N.Y., killing 11 immigrants and two workers. Jiverly Wong, a Vietnamese immigrant and a former student at the center, killed himself as police rushed to the scene.

Feb. 14, 2008: Former student Steven Kazmierczak, 27, opened fire in a lecture hall at Northern Illinois University in DeKalb, fatally shooting five students and wounding 18 others before committing suicide.

Dec. 5, 2007: 19-year-old Robert A. Hawkins opened fire with a rifle in Omaha, Neb., at a Von Maur store in the Westroads Mall, killing eight people before taking his own life. Five more people were wounded, two critically.

April 16, 2007: Cho Seung-Hui, 23, fatally shot 32 people in a dorm and a classroom at Virginia Tech in Blacksburg, then killed himself in the deadliest mass shooting in modern U.S. history.

Feb. 12, 2007: 18-year-old Sulejman Talovic killed five and wounded four at the Trolley Square mall in Salt Lake City, Utah. He was then shot and killed by police.

Oct. 2, 2006: Charles Carl Roberts IV, 32, shot to death five girls at West Nickel Mines Amish School in Pennsylvania, then killed himself.

March 21, 2005: 16-year-old student Jeffrey Weise killed nine people, including his grandfather and his grandfather's companion at home, and then five fellow students, a teacher and a security guard at Red Lake High School in Red Lake, Minnesota, before killing himself. Seven students were wounded.

March 12, 2005: Terry Ratzmann, 44, gunned down members of his congregation as they worshipped at the Brookfield Sheraton in Brookfield, Wisconsin, slaying seven and wounding four before killing himself.

July 29, 1999: Former day trader Mark Barton, 44, killed nine people in shootings at two Atlanta, Georgia, brokerage offices, then committed suicide.

April 20, 1999: Students Eric Harris, 18, and Dylan Klebold, 17, opened fire at Columbine High School in Littleton, Colorado, killing 12 classmates and a teacher and wounding 26 others before committing suicide in the school's library.

March 24, 1998: Andrew Golden, 11, and Mitchell Johnson, 13, killed four girls and a teacher at a Jonesboro, Arkansas, middle school. 10 others were wounded in the shooting.

October 16, 1991: George Hennard, 35, smashed his pickup truck through a Luby's Cafeteria window in Killeen, Texas, and fired on the lunchtime crowd with a high-powered pistol, killing 22 people. At least 20 others were wounded.

[Signals.Cpl]

Nov. 5, 2009: The Army says 13 people were killed and 30 wounded in a shooting rampage at its Fort Hood base in Texas. The suspected lone gunman has been identified as Army psychiatrist Major Nidal Malik Hasan, one of the 30 injured.

April 3, 2009: A 41-year-old man opened fire at an immigrant community center in Binghamton, N.Y., killing 11 immigrants and two workers. Jiverly Wong, a Vietnamese immigrant and a former student at the center, killed himself as police rushed to the scene.

Feb. 14, 2008: Former student Steven Kazmierczak, 27, opened fire in a lecture hall at Northern Illinois University in DeKalb, fatally shooting five students and wounding 18 others before committing suicide.

Dec. 5, 2007: 19-year-old Robert A. Hawkins opened fire with a rifle in Omaha, Neb., at a Von Maur store in the Westroads Mall, killing eight people before taking his own life. Five more people were wounded, two critically.

April 16, 2007: Cho Seung-Hui, 23, fatally shot 32 people in a dorm and a classroom at Virginia Tech in Blacksburg, then killed himself in the deadliest mass shooting in modern U.S. history.

Feb. 12, 2007: 18-year-old Sulejman Talovic killed five and wounded four at the Trolley Square mall in Salt Lake City, Utah. He was then shot and killed by police.

Oct. 2, 2006: Charles Carl Roberts IV, 32, shot to death five girls at West Nickel Mines Amish School in Pennsylvania, then killed himself.

March 21, 2005: 16-year-old student Jeffrey Weise killed nine people, including his grandfather and his grandfather's companion at home, and then five fellow students, a teacher and a security guard at Red Lake High School in Red Lake, Minnesota, before killing himself. Seven students were wounded.

March 12, 2005: Terry Ratzmann, 44, gunned down members of his congregation as they worshipped at the Brookfield Sheraton in Brookfield, Wisconsin, slaying seven and wounding four before killing himself.

July 29, 1999: Former day trader Mark Barton, 44, killed nine people in shootings at two Atlanta, Georgia, brokerage offices, then committed suicide.

April 20, 1999: Students Eric Harris, 18, and Dylan Klebold, 17, opened fire at Columbine High School in Littleton, Colorado, killing 12 classmates and a teacher and wounding 26 others before committing suicide in the school's library.

March 24, 1998: Andrew Golden, 11, and Mitchell Johnson, 13, killed four girls and a teacher at a Jonesboro, Arkansas, middle school. 10 others were wounded in the shooting.

October 16, 1991: George Hennard, 35, smashed his pickup truck through a Luby's Cafeteria window in Killeen, Texas, and fired on the lunchtime crowd with a high-powered pistol, killing 22 people. At least 20 others were wounded.

Great! Now provide a source, and prove that the US is more violent than Europe. Gun control has not helped Europe one little bit, nor has it helped Australia or well any other country for that matter. When you can prove that there is a massive difference in violence between Europe and the US come and talk to us.

[socialist]

Great! Now provide a source, and prove that the US is more violent than Europe. Gun control has not helped Europe one little bit, nor has it helped Australia or well any other country for that matter. When you can prove that there is a massive difference in violence between Europe and the US come and talk to us.

This will shut you up. You are so easy to prove wrong. Look where trigger happy usa is compared to the top western european nation.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_wit_fir-crime-murders-with-firearms

[Signals.Cpl]

This will shut you up. You are so easy to prove wrong. Look where trigger happy usa is compared to the top western european nation.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_wit_fir-crime-murders-with-firearms

There is a massive difference in population between the US and European countries genius... If you want to compare make it out of 100,000 or some other reliable method.

Edited August 8, 2012 by Signals.Cpl

[socialist]

There is a massive difference in population between the US and European countries genius... If you want to compare make it out of 100,000 or some other reliable method.

You would still be wrong. Germany's rate is still much lower than gun happy usa.

[Signals.Cpl]

You would still be wrong. Germany's rate is still much lower than gun happy usa.

Again prove it.

[socialist]

In Canada, there were 542 homicides in 2000 resulting in a national rate of 1.8 homicides per

100,000 population. By comparison, there were 15,517 homicides in the U.S., resulting in a rate

(5.5) three times higher than Canada’s.

Again prove it.

In Canada, there were 542 homicides in 2000 resulting in a national rate of 1.8 homicides per

100,000 population. By comparison, there were 15,517 homicides in the U.S., resulting in a rate

(5.5) three times higher than Canada’s. In 2000 Canada had a gun registration.

[Signals.Cpl]

In Canada, there were 542 homicides in 2000 resulting in a national rate of 1.8 homicides per

100,000 population. By comparison, there were 15,517 homicides in the U.S., resulting in a rate

(5.5) three times higher than Canada’s.

In Canada, there were 542 homicides in 2000 resulting in a national rate of 1.8 homicides per

100,000 population. By comparison, there were 15,517 homicides in the U.S., resulting in a rate

(5.5) three times higher than Canada’s. In 2000 Canada had a gun registration.

Not really fond of providing sources are you?

[socialist]

Not really fond of providing sources are you?

Here's your source.

http://web4.uwindsor.ca/users/m/mfc/41-240.nsf/0/10ff8b04ff3a317885256d88005720f6/$FILE/ATT8BNDV/0110185-002-XIE.pdf

[Signals.Cpl]

Here's your source.

http://web4.uwindsor.ca/users/m/mfc/41-240.nsf/0/10ff8b04ff3a317885256d88005720f6/$FILE/ATT8BNDV/0110185-002-XIE.pdf

Now care to provide us with an insight on how gun laws come in to play when considering these statistics?

[Guest Derek L]

In Canada, there were 542 homicides in 2000 resulting in a national rate of 1.8 homicides per

100,000 population. By comparison, there were 15,517 homicides in the U.S., resulting in a rate

(5.5) three times higher than Canada’s.

In Canada, there were 542 homicides in 2000 resulting in a national rate of 1.8 homicides per

100,000 population. By comparison, there were 15,517 homicides in the U.S., resulting in a rate

(5.5) three times higher than Canada’s. In 2000 Canada had a gun registration.

Explain Brazil.....26 murders per 100K:

http://www.economist.com/node/18805840

Brazil's murder rate barely budged during the past decade, at around 26 per 100,000. But the geography of murder changed, notes Julio Jacobo Waiselfisz of the Instituto Sangari, a think-tank in São Paulo. In 1998 São Paulo and Rio de Janeiro were more violent than average; Alagoas was not. Better policing and economic growth have seen the murder rate fall by nearly two-thirds in São Paulo and two-fifths in Rio over the decade. Criminals squeezed out of long-held strongholds followed the money to areas of new industrial development and tourist destinations. Illegal logging and land grabs, together with new cross-border routes for guns and drugs, stoked crime in the Amazon. And Alagoas, its state government debt-ridden and police force weak, corrupt and often on strike, was at times close to lawless.

Yet Brazil has gun control laws.......And what about Mexico:

http://www.oecdbetterlifeindex.org/topics/safety/

The homicide rate (the number of murders per 100,000 inhabitants) is a more reliable measure of a country’s safety level because, unlike other crimes, murders are usually always reported to the police. According to the latest OECD data, Mexico’s homicide rate has increased from 7 in 2002 to 19, much higher than the OECD average of 2.1 and the highest in the OECD. In Mexico, men are far more likely to be murder victims than women, as the homicide rate for men is 34.7 compared with 3.8 for women.

And they have stricter gun laws then Canada.

[socialist]

Explain Brazil.....26 murders per 100K:

http://www.economist.com/node/18805840

Yet Brazil has gun control laws.......And what about Mexico:

http://www.oecdbetterlifeindex.org/topics/safety/

Mexico has dangerous drug cartels. I can't believe you did not know that. Brazil is not as rich as the usa. poor examples on your part.

And they have stricter gun laws then Canada.

[Guest Derek L]

So that's a no?

The Mexicans, like I said, have tougher gun laws then both Canada and the United States, a murder rate greater than our two countries combined and you point to "drug cartels"?

Are you suggesting "drug cartels" don't follow the laws of the land?

Edited August 8, 2012 by Derek L

[Guest Derek L]

Brazil is not as rich as the usa

So gun control laws are only effective if the people are “rich like Americans”? Why is that?

Are you suggesting poor people don’t follow the law? Or that gun owners, by extension, don’t follow the law because they’re poor?

[Signals.Cpl]

Are you suggesting "drug cartels" don't follow the laws of the land?

It is a shocker, the people doing the killing will not willingly give up their arms, but somehow the people not doing the killings giving up their arms will bring forth world Peace.

[Guest Derek L]

It is a shocker, the people doing the killing will not willingly give up their arms, but somehow the people not doing the killings giving up their arms will bring forth world Peace.

Indeed.......

[Guest American Woman]

These sources you quote are dubious. I don't buy them. A few isolated incidents in Europe doesn't make it violent compared to the gun loving USA.

I couldn't care less if you buy them or not. In case it's escaped you, I have no desire to carry on a discussion with you - I simply posted the facts to have them out there to counteract your nonsense.

[bleeding heart]

I was thinking that a pissing contest about violence rates between countries is a waste of time, and a sidetrack to the thread.

I also see that this is approximately 100% poster socialist's fault.

He is trolling. I sincerely doubt he even believes half of what he's posting.

[GostHacked]

I was thinking that a pissing contest about violence rates between countries is a waste of time, and a sidetrack to the thread.

I also see that this is approximately 100% poster socialist's fault.

He is trolling. I sincerely doubt he even believes half of what he's posting.

Most likely a character account of a previous member of the forums. I guess the person has nothing else to do with his/her time.

[bleeding heart]

I'm reminded of a "Muslim jihadist" who was here for a short while, talking about how his "three strong sons" would join him in jihad, and of 72 virgins in paradise, and how "Allah will see all you sons of pigs destroyed!"

Now that was really obviously bullshit.

[GostHacked]

I'm reminded of a "Muslim jihadist" who was here for a short while, talking about how his "three strong sons" would join him in jihad, and of 72 virgins in paradise, and how "Allah will see all you sons of pigs destroyed!"

Now that was really obviously bullshit.

Well at least this one made himself/herself blatantly obvious. He must be in training to be a politician. One has to ignore oxymoron type statements in order to believe that the two contradicting parts are the same. I guess that is related to the other thread in which critical thinking is not taught in public schools.