Homeschooling

socialist · August 1, 2012

I am calling on all provincial governments to make homeschooling illegal in all provinces much the same way as the great country of Sweden is doing. Public school for all students is needed to maintain a healthy democracy. it's scary to think what some parents might be teaching their kids at home. government run public schools make education equal for all and there is no hate, bigotry, or intolerance being taught at public schools. we need to get kids into government run daycares by the age of 1 so that their minds can be molded correctly. the less influence parents have the better society will be. we dont know what kinds of bad things kids learn at homes. this country cannot afford to lose teachers because of homeschoolers. i am glad to see even backwards Alberta is doing some great things to make homeschooling harder. im glad that the ndp in manitoba are thinking about taking the recommendation of manitobas teacher union to not allow parents to keep their kids of so-called sensitive but very important classes. mcguinty has been doing great things to advance public schools. im not pleased with his latest negotioations. his minister laurel broten needs to ease up. i could care less if ontario is in debt. cutting back on education to save the province a few bucks is dead wrong. PUBLIC EDUCATION=PROPER DEMOCRACY.

punked · August 1, 2012

No. People have a right to educate their own children. Period end of story. I do not think they should get credits, or vouchers. However people have a right to remove their children from the public system as long as they see to it (for the good of the child) they receive an education. You are wrong.

What you are talking about is the Khmer Rouge policy almost to a T. I am calling you out here. I think you are a fake person who is trolling. No one can have the beliefs you have and be an educated person. What you preach has been tried and it was horrible. Go learn about the past so you stop already.

Edited August 1, 2012 by punked

bleeding heart · August 1, 2012

No. People have a right to educate their own children. Period end of story. I do not think they should get credits, or vouchers. However people have a right to remove their children from the public system as long as they see to it (for the good of the child) they receive an education. You are wrong.

I agree. We can't have unlimited government power over the lives of citizens.

I mean, it's not as if such things have ever gone wrong before, or anything.....

Edited August 1, 2012 by bleeding heart

Shady · August 1, 2012

I agree. We can't have unlimited government power over the lives of citizens.

I mean, it's not as if such things have ever gone wrong before, or anything.....

Right. I mean, it's not as though government has ever gone wrong before right?

socialist · August 1, 2012

No. People have a right to educate their own children. Period end of story. I do not think they should get credits, or vouchers. However people have a right to remove their children from the public system as long as they see to it (for the good of the child) they receive an education. You are wrong.

What you are talking about is the Khmer Rouge policy almost to a T. I am calling you out here. I think you are a fake person who is trolling. No one can have the beliefs you have and be an educated person. What you preach has been tried and it was horrible. Go learn about the past so you stop already.

i'm surprised at how wrong you are. why do many neo-con parents homeschool. you can call me names or whatever ives you your jollies but you need to think about what you write. if you are not in the public education system then your comments dont have any backing. tell me what i preach? take a look at how the swedes are dealing with homeschoolers for a real life example. do some research before you speak your non knowing crapola.

punked · August 1, 2012

i'm surprised at how wrong you are. why do many neo-con parents homeschool. you can call me names or whatever ives you your jollies but you need to think about what you write. if you are not in the public education system then your comments dont have any backing. tell me what i preach? take a look at how the swedes are dealing with homeschoolers for a real life example. do some research before you speak your non knowing crapola.

I am telling you right now. What you are saying in a free society is wrong. Public Education is there for the good of all because we can't build society on our own. However it is not our job to enforce our beliefs onto people. If someone would rather teach their child to read and write from the bible that is fine by me. Not in a public school but if they want to pull their child out of school and do it their way great. As long as that child is receiving an education with out being harmed or being put at a disadvantage then those parents are doing it right.

I have no clue why you would think different.

I am not calling you names. I just don't believe you are who you say you are.

guyser · August 1, 2012

I am calling on all provincial governments to make homeschooling illegal in all provinces

No surprise, you want to protect the cash cow you are tyring to get into.

it's scary to think what some parents might be teaching their kids at home.

Scarier having someone like you who has no sense of history considering the founding of this nation everyone was home schooled in some sense or way.

Not to mention your idiotic notions of right vs wrong you are the last one who should teach.

socialist · August 1, 2012

I am telling you right now. What you are saying in a free society is wrong. Public Education is there for the good of all because we can't build society on our own. However it is not our job to enforce our beliefs onto people. If someone would rather teach their child to read and write from the bible that is fine by me. Not in a public school but if they want to pull their child out of school and do it their way great. As long as that child is receiving an education with out being harmed or being put at a disadvantage then those parents are doing it right.

I have no clue why you would think different.

I am not calling you names. I just don't believe you are who you say you are.

Wow, your views are scary. Kids can be taught all kinds of crap at home and you are ok with that. That freaks me out.

socialist · August 1, 2012

No surprise, you want to protect the cash cow you are tyring to get into.

Scarier having someone like you who has no sense of history considering the founding of this nation everyone was home schooled in some sense or way.

Not to mention your idiotic notions of right vs wrong you are the last one who should teach.

This is not the 1800s. with great public schools everywhere homeschooling is plain wrong because we dont know what kind of bad things those kids will learn at home. force all kids into public schools so everyone can have an equal education. some parents take their kids out of certain classes as it is. that is wrong. public schools are inclusive. why should parents be allowed to take their kids out of sex education in ontario? answer that.

bleeding heart · August 1, 2012

This is not the 1800s. with great public schools everywhere homeschooling is plain wrong because we dont know what kind of bad things those kids will learn at home. force all kids into public schools so everyone can have an equal education. some parents take their kids out of certain classes as it is. that is wrong. public schools are inclusive. why should parents be allowed to take their kids out of sex education in ontario? answer that.

If you think the way you view the world, on matters of politics, matters of social justice, matters of education, are the preferable views...you should want people to come around to them, incrementally, via (to use an old phrase) a raising of consciousness.

You shouldn't wish to dictate it.

Leninism is as much an enemy of the Left as it is of any other positions.

Edited August 1, 2012 by bleeding heart

Boges · August 1, 2012

Wow, your views are scary. Kids can be taught all kinds of crap at home and you are ok with that. That freaks me out.

What's to stop a parent from sending their child to public school and still teaching them "scary" stuff.

Would you also like Sunday School to be made illegal?

socialist · August 1, 2012

If you think the way you view the world, on matters of politics, matters of social justice, matters of education, are the preferable views...you should want people to come around to them, incrementally, via (to use an old phrase) a raising of consciousness.

You shouldn't wish to dictate it.

Leninism is as much an enemy of the Left as it is of any other positions.

I'm sorry that you have no knowledge of public education. that truly saddens me. public education helps make everyone equal. why are you against that?

bleeding heart · August 1, 2012

I'm sorry that you have no knowledge of public education. that truly saddens me. public education helps make everyone equal. why are you against that?

I'm not against it. I'm for it.

I'm against dictatorships.

socialist · August 1, 2012

I'm not against it. I'm for it.

I'm against dictatorships.

do you even know what you are talking about? you seem confused.

punked · August 1, 2012

Wow, your views are scary. Kids can be taught all kinds of crap at home and you are ok with that. That freaks me out.

There are lots of people even on this forum that would call my "progressive views" scary. If they ever tried to stop me from teaching them to my children I would be pissed. Sometimes you have to look at it from the other side.

bleeding heart · August 1, 2012

Ye gods.

guyser · August 1, 2012

This is not the 1800s. with great public schools everywhere homeschooling is plain wrong because we dont know what kind of bad things those kids will learn at home.

Mind your own business.

Its not as if the overwhelming majority of parents would not want their spawn to learn.

Besides, parents can access the schools standardized testing anytime they want.

GostHacked · August 1, 2012

Wow, your views are scary. Kids can be taught all kinds of crap at home and you are ok with that. That freaks me out.

When kids are allowed to pass and proceed to the next grade even though they failed to meet the criteria for advancing to the next grade, one has to wonder what is being taught in the schools. And why would a child be allowed to pass when they clearly do not make the grade?

That is not giving a child a proper education. Education needs to be geared towards the child's abilities. If the child excels at math, and sucks at everything else, throw more math at the kid. Most of school teaches you to be a jack of all trades and masters of none. And what we need are skilled people with specific knowelegde in certain areas. Or you run into the situation where we have a lot of people knowing a bit about everything, and no in depth knowledge of something specific.

I get we need to know a base of everything in order to find out what kid excels at what subject.

One relative is a retired high school teacher and another is a grade school teacher. Both have made the comment that the schools are not good enough for the kids. The material has been dumbed down and with the advent of technology it's creating a problem of kids interacting with technology instead of one another. The social implications of all that is a major thing to consider when you are talking about educating kids.

You want critical thinking people when they leave school. And you only get taught those abilities when you get into post secondary education (for the most part) and at that point, you are paying out of your own pocket for that kind of education. So you really think that the government can dictate properly what should be national curriculum when all provinces can varying curriculum? Without including the proper material to form critical thinking minds? The government does not want critical thinkers, because that means they can actually think for themselves. Dangerous to those in power.

If a homeschool kid can pass all of the government mandated tests, then there is NO problem with a child being homeschooled. And if a parent wants the responsibility of educating their children, then we should applaud and accommodate those parents. If you want to take responsibility away from the parent in terms of homeschooling (or giving parents the option to homeschool), then the state should be more than willing to take responsibility for the failures of these kids because the system is not geared toward knowledge and critical thinkers.

socialist · August 1, 2012

When kids are allowed to pass and proceed to the next grade even though they failed to meet the criteria for advancing to the next grade, one has to wonder what is being taught in the schools. And why would a child be allowed to pass when they clearly do not make the grade?

That is not giving a child a proper education. Education needs to be geared towards the child's abilities. If the child excels at math, and sucks at everything else, throw more math at the kid. Most of school teaches you to be a jack of all trades and masters of none. And what we need are skilled people with specific knowelegde in certain areas. Or you run into the situation where we have a lot of people knowing a bit about everything, and no in depth knowledge of something specific.

I get we need to know a base of everything in order to find out what kid excels at what subject.

One relative is a retired high school teacher and another is a grade school teacher. Both have made the comment that the schools are not good enough for the kids. The material has been dumbed down and with the advent of technology it's creating a problem of kids interacting with technology instead of one another. The social implications of all that is a major thing to consider when you are talking about educating kids.

You want critical thinking people when they leave school. And you only get taught those abilities when you get into post secondary education (for the most part) and at that point, you are paying out of your own pocket for that kind of education. So you really think that the government can dictate properly what should be national curriculum when all provinces can varying curriculum? Without including the proper material to form critical thinking minds? The government does not want critical thinkers, because that means they can actually think for themselves. Dangerous to those in power.

If a homeschool kid can pass all of the government mandated tests, then there is NO problem with a child being homeschooled. And if a parent wants the responsibility of educating their children, then we should applaud and accommodate those parents. If you want to take responsibility away from the parent in terms of homeschooling (or giving parents the option to homeschool), then the state should be more than willing to take responsibility for the failures of these kids because the system is not geared toward knowledge and critical thinkers.

your post is full of generalizations. explain how things have been dumbed down or give actual proof. if not quit making up lies about the public education system.

sunnews is trying to do a hatchet job on education. too bad no one watches that dumb channel. you want to see ridiculous then watch this nonsense.

http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/video/featured/prime-time/867432237001/the-tdsbs-war-on-the-family/1764634878001

GostHacked · August 1, 2012

your post is full of generalizations. explain how things have been dumbed down or give actual proof. if not quit making up lies about the public education system.

Yes it is full of generalizations, the OP was nothing more than generalizations as well.

sunnews is trying to do a hatchet job on education. too bad no one watches that dumb channel. you want to see ridiculous then watch this nonsense.

http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/video/featured/prime-time/867432237001/the-tdsbs-war-on-the-family/1764634878001

First time I heard of Brian Lilley. But he does make a lot of sense if you really think and listen to what he is saying.

Actually that video more or less backs up some of the items I was talking about. But if you are ok with the state co-parenting (and it can be considered as such in a technical term) are they going to take responsibility if and when their co-parenting fails? No they will blame YOU the parent for the educational system failures and the teaching failures.

You will celebrate the kids victories together, you as a parent and them as the educational state but you as a parent will bear sole responsibility for their failures.

punked · August 1, 2012

your post is full of generalizations. explain how things have been dumbed down or give actual proof. if not quit making up lies about the public education system.

sunnews is trying to do a hatchet job on education. too bad no one watches that dumb channel. you want to see ridiculous then watch this nonsense.

http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/video/featured/prime-time/867432237001/the-tdsbs-war-on-the-family/1764634878001

Come on grade inflation is a very real thing socialist don't pretend it isn't.

socialist · August 1, 2012

Yes it is full of generalizations, the OP was nothing more than generalizations as well.

http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/video/featured/prime-time/867432237001/the-tdsbs-war-on-the-family/1764634878001

First time I heard of Brian Lilley. But he does make a lot of sense if you really think and listen to what he is saying.

Actually that video more or less backs up some of the items I was talking about. But if you are ok with the state co-parenting (and it can be considered as such in a technical term) are they going to take responsibility if and when their co-parenting fails? No they will blame YOU the parent for the educational system failures and the teaching failures.

You will celebrate the kids victories together, you as a parent and them as the educational state but you as a parent will bear sole responsibility for their failures.

that sunnews piece makes no sense. its a hatchet job. i posted it to show the ignorance of the typical neo-con attitude about public education. they scare you with make believe stories and people like you with poor critical thinking sklls eat it up. brian lilley has no clue the tough job public educators have in trying to create a just society. thank goodness no one watches sun news.

gunrutz · August 1, 2012

Another issue right out of the far left playbook, you do know that most of us have heard this before, and many times at that, we also understand the underlying desire to force everyone to the same level under the guise of other things.

AngusThermopyle · August 1, 2012

brian lilley has no clue the tough job public educators have in trying to create a just society. thank goodness no one watches sun news.

The main problem with this statement is the fact that it is not a public educators job to create a just society as you claim. Their job consists of teaching the curriculum, no more. Their opinions on what constitutes a just society can and will vary wildly and as such should remain opinions and nothing more.

By the way, I feel I should congratulate you. Although the content of your posts remains highly dubious I have to admit they have become far more legible than previous attempts you have made.

Edited August 1, 2012 by AngusThermopyle

socialist · August 1, 2012

Come on grade inflation is a very real thing socialist don't pretend it isn't.

prove it. if it was true there would be outrage. everyone who graduates has to earn it. giving zeros like that fool teacher in alberta gives all teachers a bad rap.