Syrian Civil War

[Guest American Woman]

Until recently I have always thought that Kerry is a sensible guy and I was so disappointed that he lost the election to W in 2004. However, in this Syria-issue he has been ridiculous with the "undeniable evidence" of the chemical attack.

How would you know? Do you have access to evidence that Kerry doesn't have undeniable evidence of the chemical attack?

[-TSS-]

How would you know? Do you have access to evidence that Kerry doesn't have undeniable evidence of the chemical attack?

Grow up! Can you think of a more obvious false flag than this chemical attack? The US government tells the Syrian government that if they gas their own people that's what the US won't tolerate and will attack Syria and the next thing which happens is that the Syrian government gasses its own people?

[Guest American Woman]

Grow up! Can you think of a more obvious false flag than this chemical attack? The US government tells the Syrian government that if they gas their own people that's what the US won't tolerate and will attack Syria and the next thing which happens is that the Syrian government gasses its own people?

So you don't have any evidence that Kerry doesn't have undeniable evidence of the chemical attack. ie: you have nothing to back up your claim that Kerry "has been ridiculous..."

FYI. Obama made his "red line" comment a year ago, so it was hardly "the next thing which happen[ed],"

[DogOnPorch]

So you don't have any evidence that Kerry doesn't have undeniable evidence of the chemical attack. ie: you have nothing to back up your claim that Kerry "has been ridiculous..."

FYI. Obama made his "red line" comment a year ago, so it was hardly "the next thing which happen[ed],"

To be fair to ol' Obama, he's dealing with far more than the media lets on to us mere plebs. Like...what if Syria DOES have VX nerve agent? What if Syria (either side) lobs a Scud full of VX @ Tel Aviv? We like to HOPE such an event is unlikely...but you can't bet the farm on hope alone.

[Moonlight Graham]

Do you think it was the tooth fairy that killed all those people? Or what, they were actors putting on a show?

I think that there are groups other than the Assad regime that may have access to chemical weapons in Syria, and the US and the UK govs aren't reliable sources to tell us much of anything regarding chemical weapons info that may start military intervention in the middle east. http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2013/09/05/the-lies-behind-this-war/

[Guest American Woman]

To be fair to ol' Obama, he's dealing with far more than the media lets on to us mere plebs.

Agreed. I've never been of the illusion that we know as much as our governments do.

Like...what if Syria DOES have VX nerve agent? What if Syria (either side) lobs a Scud full of VX @ Tel Aviv? We like to HOPE such an event is unlikely...but you can't bet the farm on hope alone.

Again, agreed. As much as one might hope, it doesn't change possiblities/realities - and that's what Obama et al has to deal with.

[-TSS-]

Even Britain, the loyal poodle of the US, seems reluctant to go into another futile war as against all the odds their parliament voted against the military action in Syria. Funnily enough, the French are very eager to participate so the US must take back some of the derogatory words at the French 10 years ago when the French didn't want to get involved in Iraq. French fries will be French fries again, not some freedom fries.

[DogOnPorch]

Agreed. I've never been of the illusion that we know as much as our governments do.

Again, agreed. As much as one might hope, it doesn't change possiblities/realities - and that's what Obama et al has to deal with.

We're VX ignorant...blissfully, at that. Much like atomic weapons just being a 'bigger bomb', we underestimate the misery associated with nerve agents. Especially persistent nerve agents like VX. Also, our society's capacity to deny a threat until it has already happened is notorious. Even after 9-11...

[GostHacked]

How would you know? Do you have access to evidence that Kerry doesn't have undeniable evidence of the chemical attack?

The US got their evidence from Syrian first responders. That would mean they got this evidence from the Syrian government?

And based on the blunders of Iraq and with your stance that you did not support the war, why would you take Kerry's word at face value? If their evidence is slam dunk , let's see it.

[bud]

How would you know? Do you have access to evidence that Kerry doesn't have undeniable evidence of the chemical attack?

because if he had undeniable evidence that assad used chemical weapons, he would have shown it to the UN, EU and congress. he never did. all he did was show some youtube videos of children dying without having any concrete proof as to who was behind it.

[Guest American Woman]

because if he had undeniable evidence that assad used chemical weapons, he would have shown it to the UN, EU and congress. he never did. all he did was show some youtube videos of children dying without having any concrete proof as to who was behind it.

Really? You know what he's shown to the UN, EU, and Congress - which has just reconvened today? And you know this - how?

[Guest American Woman]

The US got their evidence from Syrian first responders. That would mean they got this evidence from the Syrian government?

And based on the blunders of Iraq and with your stance that you did not support the war, why would you take Kerry's word at face value? If their evidence is slam dunk , let's see it.

When did I say I was taking Kerry at his word? None of us know what he has - or doesn't have. Yet people make claims as if they did know, as others say they don't believe him because so-and-so lied, which is quite ridiculous. Chretien lied about Canada's involvement in Iraq - so we can't believe a word Harper says? Same 'logic.' Or lack thereof.

[Guest American Woman]

We're VX ignorant...blissfully, at that. Much like atomic weapons just being a 'bigger bomb', we underestimate the misery associated with nerve agents. Especially persistent nerve agents like VX. Also, our society's capacity to deny a threat until it has already happened is notorious. Even after 9-11...

Can't argue with any of that.

[DogOnPorch]

Can't argue with any of that.

You're seeing it here right in this thread. We'll argue about the semantics of "who did it??" until the cows come home rather than deal with the 1000lb gorilla of nerve gas actually being unleashed on civilians. I wonder if it was Toronto or Montreal and not Damascus if the attitude would be different?

[Guest American Woman]

You're seeing it here right in this thread. We'll argue about the semantics of "who did it??" until the cows come home rather than deal with the 1000lb gorilla of nerve gas actually being unleashed on civilians. I wonder if it was Toronto or Montreal and not Damascus if the attitude would be different?

I don't think we have to wonder ... .I think we know.

[dre]

Wonder what THAT thing being launched by Obamas freedom fighters is? Looks a little a cannister full of gas.

[DogOnPorch]

I don't think we have to wonder ... .I think we know.

Indeed. One's focus would be on its potential next use...not debating the past uses.

Wonder what THAT thing being launched by Obamas freedom fighters is? Looks a little a cannister full of gas.

More nerve agent ignorance. Notice what they're wearing?

Edited September 9, 2013 by DogOnPorch

[dre]

You're seeing it here right in this thread. We'll argue about the semantics of "who did it??"

Hahahaha this is a beauty. Which party is actually responsible for this is an issue of "semantics".

[DogOnPorch]

Or not wearing....

[DogOnPorch]

Hahahaha this is a beauty. Which party is actually responsible for this is an issue of "semantics".

Like I care.

[dre]

Indeed. One's focus would be on its potential next use...not debating the past uses.

More nerve agent ignorance. Notice what they're wearing?

I doubt they would care if the nerve agent was sealed inside a vessel. And these are Obama's freedom fighters we are talking about... I doubt they have a lot of options as far as what they wear.

Gosh! Why didnt they go and get their protective nerve agent suits out of the closet before they launched that thing!

Edited September 9, 2013 by dre

[dre]

Like I care.

Yeah that was my point.

[DogOnPorch]

I doubt they would care if the nerve agent was sealed inside a vessel. And these are Obama's freedom fighters we are talking about... I doubt they have a lot of options as far as what they wear.

It's not dangerous, after all.

[DogOnPorch]

Yeah that was my point.

You keep trying to paint me as some sort of Republican/Conservative. You're incorrect in your assumption.

[dre]

You keep trying to paint me as some sort of Republican/Conservative. You're incorrect in your assumption.

I dont know anything about your politics. And the image I posted was not a response to you, nor was it addressed to you. And havent followed your contribution to this debate closely enough to know if you support the scumbag dictator or Obama's Islamic, christian beheading, alqeada affiliated, freedom fighters.