Melanie_ Posted July 18, 2012 Report Posted July 18, 2012 BBC news - Boy Scouts uphold ban on gays The Boy Scouts of America will not change its policy of excluding gay scouts and scout leaders, following a secret two-year review, the group says. The most disturbing part of this for me is the message that so many young boys have just been sent, that they need to deny their sexuality to be part of an organization that has nothing to do with sex. I wonder if there will be a check box on the application form for sexual orientation? Quote For to be free is not merely to cast off one's chains, but to live in a way that respects and enhances the freedom of others. Nelson Mandela
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 18, 2012 Report Posted July 18, 2012 Wait...it gets better...no girls or atheists either! "3 G's" (gays, girls and the godless) Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
jacee Posted July 18, 2012 Report Posted July 18, 2012 (edited) Absolutely disgusting. Bye Bye Boy Scouts! Just lost all credibility with the majority and revealed itself as a creature of the extreme religious right. Epic fail. Edited July 18, 2012 by jacee Quote
waldo Posted July 18, 2012 Report Posted July 18, 2012 only in America! Does Scouts Canada Admit Both Boys and Girls? Yes, Scouts Canada became completely co-ed in 1998. Do You Have to Believe in God to Join Scouts Canada? Is Scouting a Christian Organization? No, but you must have a basic spiritual belief. Spirituality has been one of the three main principles of Scouting around the world since its inception more than 100 years ago. Scouts Canada is proud of its commitment to diversity and welcomes members of many different faiths and denominations. You need not belong to an organized religion, but all members must take the Scout Promise in good faith and leaders may include some form of spirituality in their program for the youth. “God” represents spirituality and for some may represent an actual deity, but it may also mean an expression of your personal spirituality. "Duty to God" as defined by the World Organization of the Scouting Movement, means "a person's relationship with the spiritual values of life, the fundamental belief in a force above mankind." Are Homosexuals Allowed to Join Scouts Canada? Scouts Canada does not discriminate for reasons of gender, culture, religious belief or sexual orientation. Quote
Shady Posted July 18, 2012 Report Posted July 18, 2012 This type of thing is spreading too. The are now women only gyms! They refuse membership based on sex! Quote
Black Dog Posted July 18, 2012 Report Posted July 18, 2012 This type of thing is spreading too. The are now women only gyms! They refuse membership based on sex! I'd explain the difference, but I know it'd be like trying to explain quantum physics to an infant baboon. Quote
cybercoma Posted July 18, 2012 Report Posted July 18, 2012 This type of thing is spreading too. The are now women only gyms! They refuse membership based on sex! Men and women even have to use different washrooms in public! Quote
Guest Manny Posted July 18, 2012 Report Posted July 18, 2012 Any private organization should be allowed to set up their own criteria for membership. As I recall they turned down government funding so that they could independently set their own membership agenda, although it meant more financial difficulty. They chose not to whore themselves out for their ideals, which in itself I can appreciate. There is of course Girl Scouts. Do we need another organization- the Gay Scouts? Quote
Shady Posted July 18, 2012 Report Posted July 18, 2012 Men and women even have to use different washrooms in public! I know, can you believe it! Quote
g_bambino Posted July 18, 2012 Report Posted July 18, 2012 (edited) The most disturbing part of this for me is the message that so many young boys have just been sent, that they need to deny their sexuality to be part of an organization that has nothing to do with sex. It's not very clear what the policy is, exactly; the article just says "same-sex orientation" and "sexuality". (Putting aside whether or not a kid under 18 (let alone over 18) has enough life experience to be certain what label they want, if any at all) does it apply only to those who've choosen for themselves the sexual label "gay"? Does it include those who identify as bisexual? How about kids who identify as straight or haven't picked any sexual label but have engaged in homosexual acts? The rule is obviously exclusive, but I need to know more about it before deciding just how bad it is. [ed.: +] Edited July 18, 2012 by g_bambino Quote
g_bambino Posted July 18, 2012 Report Posted July 18, 2012 Men and women even have to use different washrooms in public! Not always. Quote
cybercoma Posted July 18, 2012 Report Posted July 18, 2012 Not always. We're getting off topic, but I've never seen a full public washroom (not a single room with a locked door like at a gas station) that are open to both men and women. Quote
msj Posted July 18, 2012 Report Posted July 18, 2012 Absolutely disgusting. Bye Bye Boy Scouts! Just lost all credibility with the majority and revealed itself as a creature of the extreme religious right. Epic fail. I don't know about losing credibility with the majority. Back in 2006 (yes, its dated) a poll showed that 48% of Americans would refuse to vote for an atheist for President. Gays (37%) and Muslims (38%) were slightly preferred. And this is just people "refusing" to vote. You know that there are more who just plain don't like them gays and godless (and girls for that matter, but the war on women from the religious right is a whole other topic). But whatever, I'm thankful I live in Canada. Sure, our head of state may never be a Catholic (as some non sequiturs will tell us) but at least godless, gay, girls can join Scouts. Quote If a believer demands that I, as a non-believer, observe his taboos in the public domain, he is not asking for my respect but for my submission. And that is incompatible with a secular democracy. Flemming Rose (Dutch journalist) My biggest takeaway from economics is that the past wasn't as good as you remember, the present isn't as bad as you think, and the future will be better than you anticipate. Morgan Housel http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/01/14/things-im-pretty-sure-about.aspx
g_bambino Posted July 18, 2012 Report Posted July 18, 2012 (edited) We're getting off topic, but I've never seen a full public washroom (not a single room with a locked door like at a gas station) that are open to both men and women. We are OT; hopefully not for too long. I've been in washrooms in a couple of bars/lounges in Toronto that were genderless; all stalls, common sink area. (And no, I didn't accidentally (or purposefully) walk into the women's!) [ed.: +] Edited July 18, 2012 by g_bambino Quote
Guest Manny Posted July 18, 2012 Report Posted July 18, 2012 We are OT; hopefully not for too long. I've been in washrooms in a couple of bars/lounges in Toronto that were genderless; all stalls, common sink area. Guessing it was one of those ones where the clientele are themselves, genderless. Quote
cybercoma Posted July 18, 2012 Report Posted July 18, 2012 (And no, I didn't accidentally (or purposefully) walk into the women's!) [ed.: +] Quote
Shady Posted July 18, 2012 Report Posted July 18, 2012 The Boy Scouts are probably just trying to avoid a Penn State or Carholic Church type incident. They're just putting the safety of the children ahead of political correctness. Quote
g_bambino Posted July 18, 2012 Report Posted July 18, 2012 The Boy Scouts are probably just trying to avoid a Penn State... type incident. I didn't know that Jerry Sandusky identifies as gay or that those who do are predisposed to abusing children. Quote
guyser Posted July 18, 2012 Report Posted July 18, 2012 The Boy Scouts are probably just trying to avoid a Penn State or Carholic Church type incident. They're just putting the safety of the children ahead of political correctness. That would be dumb if they did.Pedos aren't gay. Quote
g_bambino Posted July 18, 2012 Report Posted July 18, 2012 Pedos aren't gay. I'm sure some are. Quote
Canuckistani Posted July 18, 2012 Report Posted July 18, 2012 Are they a private organization that gets no money from govt? If so, they can do what they want. Quote
Wilber Posted July 18, 2012 Report Posted July 18, 2012 Are they a private organization that gets no money from govt? If so, they can do what they want. Seems so. You can't golf at Augusta National if you are a woman. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Shady Posted July 18, 2012 Report Posted July 18, 2012 That would be dumb if they did. Pedos aren't gay. Are there not gay and straight pedos? Quote
jacee Posted July 18, 2012 Report Posted July 18, 2012 (edited) I'm sure some are. Pedos 'like' children regardless of gender. They may pick on boys more often, but that's because of easier accessibility and because boys are less likely to 'tell'. I guess there are still a few misinformed people like you who don't grasp the difference between 'pedo' and 'gay' ... like you ... and the Pope. Edited July 18, 2012 by jacee Quote
Canuckistani Posted July 18, 2012 Report Posted July 18, 2012 Pedos 'like' children regardless of gender. Some do. Some go after only one gender. Some get off on ultrasound images of fetus', where I doubt gender is an important part. Quote
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