The NDP’s hidden agenda....

madmax · July 11, 2012

Perhaps it's none of Moonlight Graham's business who I want to hire and for what reasons I want to hire him or her? This insanity, when taken to its logical conclusion, means that a all sorts of ordinary desires are now criminalised.

Here are a few examples of this:

A female seeking a female roommate is now illegally discriminating against men.

The owner of an apartment building is only renting out to religious Jews who will observe the Sabbath and other Jewish holidays is now discriminating illegally against non-Jews.

A Halal butchery or other Muslim organisation (perhaps a Muslim summer camp) seeks to only hire other Muslims due to religious and social/cultural reasons is now illegally discriminating against non-Muslims (religion is a protected ground for discrimination).

A homosexual nightclub for men chooses to only hire gay bartenders and perhaps only permit gay men men into the club to maintain its niche atmosphere is now illegally discriminating against heterosexuals on employment and patronage.

The examples can go on forever, women's only gyms, men's only gold courses, black only organisations, etc.

Yeah and HOOTERS too.....

LMAO...

kraychik · July 12, 2012

Absolute rubbish. In your brain all racism is gone from society except the white-on-white racism of affirmative action? Easily disproven. Is all sexism gone as well, like in the Catholic Church? And gays have equal rights, like in many U.S. states re: marriage?

I never said that all unjustifiable discrimination was gone. What I said was that there's no way to erase it with with mastermind legislation that essentially punishes law-abiding citizens via overtly racist and unjustifiably discriminatory polices such as quotas for gender, religion, ethnicity, or disability. Leftists like yourself arrogantly think you can "perfect human nature" (to steal a fantastic quote from someone I spoke with awhile ago about this subject) through ever more intricate legislation.

There is still plenty of discrimination against men. Consider certain lucrative professions such as nursing and teaching. Or consider child custody cases being overwhelmingly decided in favour of the mother. I don't support legislation to impose quotas to deal with this, however.

And homosexuals do have equal rights. Homosexuals also have equal access to marriage in America, just as heterosexuals do. Marriage laws in the United States do not prevent people from being married on the basis of sexual orientation.

What you're doing, and I sincerely thank you for this, is exposing the contempt that you (and the broader left) have for regular society in Canada and the United States. You think that we're such a bunch of sexists (well, men anyways) and racists (well, white men anyways) and haters of homosexuals that we need benevolent correction from the enlightened few that you believe yourself to be a part of. My experience in Canada and America tells me the opposite. We are societies primarily composed of good and decent people who are not hung up on irrational prejudices. We don't dislike people simply because of their gender. We don't dislike people simply because of their sexual orientation. We don't dislike people simply because of their race. Yes, there are bigots out there, but they are the tiniest of minorities.

Leftist like you chase these imagined obstacles that you place in front of your preferred groups in order to portray them as helpless victims that only you can save. You need a victim in order to present yourself as a saviour. You're like Don Quixote fighting the windmills, as you chase these phantom social epidemics that don't really exist. It's hilarious to watch you engage in the grandiosity. Again, thank you for exposing the racism and bigotry of the left, and the contempt you feel towards ordinary society that needs the management of benevolent leftists like yourself to save us from ourselves.

You didn't answer my question. I never said the Arab didn't have excellent command of the English language, I said they had an Arabian accent. Let's assume the Arab can speak perfectly understandable English to a Canadian in the same manner a Brit or Aussie can be understood by us with accents. Or better yet, let's say the Arab has no accent whatsoever. If you had to have renovations done in your home and you had to choose between a white man and an Arab man to do it, all other things being equal, who would you choose?

I would hire the Arab because I hate white people.

Edited July 12, 2012 by kraychik

kraychik · July 12, 2012

Yeah and HOOTERS too.....

LMAO...

Hooters is a classic example. There was a great episode of King of the Hill where one of Hank's neighbours, Dale, gets a job at Hooters after threatening to file a gender-discrimination lawsuit against them. It totally exposed the absurdity of the left.

cybercoma · July 12, 2012

What you're doing ... is exposing the contempt that you (and the broader left) have for regular society

Hook.

Leftist like you ... need a victim in order to present yourself as a saviour.

Hook.

thank you for exposing the racism and bigotry of the left, and the contempt you feel towards ordinary society that needs the management of benevolent leftists like yourself to save us from ourselves.

Hook.

cybercoma · July 12, 2012

There was a great episode of King of the Hill ... It totally exposed the absurdity of the left.

Hook.

kraychik · July 12, 2012

In other words, you have nothing meaningful to contribute, as per usual.

cybercoma · July 12, 2012

In other words, you have nothing meaningful to contribute, as per usual.

I'll contribute something meaningful when I see something meaningful worth contributing to.

madmax · July 12, 2012

I'll contribute something meaningful when I see something meaningful worth contributing to.

Reminds me of MikeDavid00. Nothing on the right or the left to support.

gunrutz · July 12, 2012

I'll contribute something meaningful when I see something meaningful worth contributing to.

Maybe there are a lot of things you don't see.

WWWTT · July 13, 2012

Hooters is a classic example. There was a great episode of King of the Hill where one of Hank's neighbours, Dale, gets a job at Hooters after threatening to file a gender-discrimination lawsuit against them. It totally exposed the absurdity of the left.

Are you seriously using a cartoon episode to try and win an argument????

I think this is the first time I have seen this done here.

Good luck

WWWTT

WWWTT · July 13, 2012

Reminds me of MikeDavid00. Nothing on the right or the left to support.

Oh man that guy was a freekin never ending nightmare!(if I am thinking about the same person)

He's banned now is he not?

WWWTT

wyly · July 13, 2012

Oh man that guy was a freekin never ending nightmare!(if I am thinking about the same person)

He's banned now is he not?

WWWTT

he'll be back under a different name, he's had quite a few...

Moonlight Graham · July 13, 2012

I never said that all unjustifiable discrimination was gone. What I said was that there's no way to erase it with with mastermind legislation that essentially punishes law-abiding citizens via overtly racist and unjustifiably discriminatory polices such as quotas for gender, religion, ethnicity, or disability. Leftists like yourself arrogantly think you can "perfect human nature" (to steal a fantastic quote from someone I spoke with awhile ago about this subject) through ever more intricate legislation.

What you're doing, and I sincerely thank you for this, is exposing the contempt that you (and the broader left) have for regular society in Canada and the United States. You think that we're such a bunch of sexists (well, men anyways) and racists (well, white men anyways) and haters of homosexuals that we need benevolent correction from the enlightened few that you believe yourself to be a part of. My experience in Canada and America tells me the opposite. We are societies primarily composed of good and decent people who are not hung up on irrational prejudices. We don't dislike people simply because of their gender. We don't dislike people simply because of their sexual orientation. We don't dislike people simply because of their race. Yes, there are bigots out there, but they are the tiniest of minorities.

Leftist like you chase these imagined obstacles that you place in front of your preferred groups in order to portray them as helpless victims that only you can save. You need a victim in order to present yourself as a saviour. You're like Don Quixote fighting the windmills, as you chase these phantom social epidemics that don't really exist. It's hilarious to watch you engage in the grandiosity. Again, thank you for exposing the racism and bigotry of the left, and the contempt you feel towards ordinary society that needs the management of benevolent leftists like yourself to save us from ourselves.

From three sentences I've said to you, you've stereotyped me into whatever hated "leftist" paint-by-numbers portrait is in your mind, completely distorting &/or fabricating many of my viewpoints just because you assume I have them.

I would hire the Arab because I hate white people.

Thank you for exposing the racism and bigotry of the...whatever you are.

There is still plenty of discrimination against men. Consider certain lucrative professions such as nursing and teaching.

Not saying there isn't discrimination against men, but these are poor examples. There are fewer male teachers and nurses and social workers etc. because men choose not to enter those professions. Ask a principal and they will tell you a male elementary school teacher would often have a slight advantage in being hired over a female (all things equal) because they lack male teachers and are in demand.

And homosexuals do have equal rights. Homosexuals also have equal access to marriage in America, just as heterosexuals do. Marriage laws in the United States do not prevent people from being married on the basis of sexual orientation.

Nice try. Do homosexuals in the US have equal rights to marrying the person they're romantically in love with compared to heterosexuals? No. I win.

bush_cheney2004 · July 13, 2012

....Nice try. Do homosexuals in the US have equal rights to marrying the person they're romantically in love with compared to heterosexuals? No. I win.

"Romantic" love is not a prerequisite for marriage.

Most countries in the world do not legally recognize same gender marriage and regulate other types of marriage(s).

cybercoma · July 13, 2012

Most countries in the world do not legally recognize same gender marriage and regulate other types of marriage(s).

Most countries in the UN hate Israel too. That doesn't stop the US from supporting them.

bush_cheney2004 · July 13, 2012

Most countries in the UN hate Israel too. That doesn't stop the US from supporting them.

Non-sequitur.....

jbg · July 13, 2012

Most countries in the UN hate Israel too. That doesn't stop the US from supporting them.

As we saw throughout history but particularly from the early 1890's to 1945, most people in the world hate Jews. That doesn't stop the U.S., Canada and Australia, some of the world's most decent countries, from openly tolerating and to some extent fostering the practice of Judaism.

kraychik · July 13, 2012

From three sentences I've said to you, you've stereotyped me into whatever hated "leftist" paint-by-numbers portrait is in your mind, completely distorting &/or fabricating many of my viewpoints just because you assume I have them.

It's not difficult to see a person's ideological leanings. I'm sorry that I have shattered your self-concept of being nuanced, complex, and layered. You're far more transparent than you believe. Your posts clearly demonstrated subscription to leftist narratives (systemic racism and unjustifiable prejudices against women, ethnicities, religions, sexual orientations, etc against CERTAIN groups and not towards others) to justify racist/sexist and other unjustifiably discriminatory practises such as so-called "affirmative action" that benefit certain groups at the expense of others who don't belong to the preferred group. Only a leftist would sincerely believe this.

The only possibility that you are not a leftist is if you were simply playing devil's advocate for entertainment purposes. If you were being sincere with your challenges, however, than you have instantly revealed your leftist ideology.

Thank you for exposing the racism and bigotry of the...whatever you are.

It is you, not I, who supports racist, bigoted, sexist, and other unjusitifably discriminatory practises like so-called "affrimative action". Turn the mirror on yourself.

Not saying there isn't discrimination against men, but these are poor examples. There are fewer male teachers and nurses and social workers etc. because men choose not to enter those professions. Ask a principal and they will tell you a male elementary school teacher would often have a slight advantage in being hired over a female (all things equal) because they lack male teachers and are in demand.

They are excellent examples, actually. The point is simple, that unjustifiable discrimination can and does happen to all sort of people in all sorts of situations. Men get discriminated against in certain circumstances, although you didn't seem to realise that. White people can and do get discriminated against in certain circumstances, just like everyone else. Muslims, Jews, Christians, and atheists are all discriminated against in certain circumstances. Your leftist narrative, however, only mentioned discrimination against women, gays, and blacks, as if all sort of people aren't discriminated against unjustifiably in all sorts of circumstances.

The big differences between you and I are as follows:

1. You only believe that certain types of unjustifiable discrimination are worth addressing with coercive government intervention via so-called "affirmative action" policies. Specifically, you are only really concerned about victims of unjustifiable discrimination against women, gays, and blacks. I, on the other hand, recognise that unjustifiable discrimination can and does affects all sorts of people from all sorts of other people.

2. You think you can "beat" the types of unjustifiable discrimination that you are most concerned with (against women, gays, and blacks), because you imagine it happens to them more often, through coercive government regulation imposing hiring standards (quotas) on businesses. I realise that the government cannot effectively address unjustifiable discrimination this way.

3. You have such a contempt for Canadian society (which is predominantly white heterosexuals) that you think these types of bigotries are so prevalent (revealing your racism and prejudice against white heterosexuals) so as to require correction via intrusive government policies. I, on the other hand, recognise that Canadian society is largely devoid of these phantoms that you chase after, and that Canadian society corrects itself without requiring the heavy hand of government. A business or individual that subscribes to such despicable bigotries will not do well once its/his/her bigotry is revealed to society.

Nice try. Do homosexuals in the US have equal rights to marrying the person they're romantically in love with compared to heterosexuals? No. I win.

Marriage law in the USA does not prevent gay people from getting married. A person's sexual orientation does not affect their eligibility for marriage in the USA.

If you are concerned about prohibitions on same-sex marriage, which is a prohibition that applies to people of all sexual orientations, that is something else entirely. You pretend to be concerned about same-sex couple not being able to marry the person they love. Would you apply that same argumentative support for polygamous relationships? If three women all equally love one another as well as the male head of the harem, should they be permitted to marry based on the grounds that they all "love" on another? I imagine a leftist like you would be in support of that, though, as you strike me as a genuine leftist grounded in leftist principles.

kraychik · July 13, 2012

Most countries in the UN hate Israel too. That doesn't stop the US from supporting them.

Actually, most countries in the world hate Jews, they only try to mask themselves, as you seem to do, by saying they hate Israel or are "anti-Zionists".

Wild Bill · July 13, 2012

Actually, most countries in the world hate Jews, they only try to mask themselves, as you seem to do, by saying they hate Israel or are "anti-Zionists".

Actually, I've always been rather grateful towards Jews. They gave us Carl Reiner and Mel Brooks!

That HAS to count for something!

Excuse me. That was my saddle blazing...

kraychik · July 13, 2012

Actually, I've always been rather grateful towards Jews. They gave us Carl Reiner and Mel Brooks!

That HAS to count for something!

Excuse me. That was my saddle blazing...

You have to take the good with bad. We also got Barney Frank, Howie Mandel, Saul Alinsky.

Mel Brooks is great, though. Remember pissboy?

Edited July 13, 2012 by kraychik

Black Dog · July 13, 2012

It is you, not I, who supports racist, bigoted, sexist, and other unjusitifably discriminatory practises like so-called "affrimative action". Turn the mirror on yourself.

It's always funny to see people who decry political correctness deploy politically correct tropes to defend their own privilege.

If you are concerned about prohibitions on same-sex marriage, which is a prohibition that applies to people of all sexual orientations, that is something else entirely.

Also hilarious is when people opposed to big government support state intervention to defend their own social mores.

bleeding heart · July 13, 2012

Again, thank you for your post. Nobody can expose the left better than its own membership in their own words.

You keep saying this; it's one of your chief topics, in fact.

But if your really believed it, you would feel no such overriding need to keep repeating it.

Truly, you think you are one of your own hated "intelligentsia" who must forever berate and educate the ignorant masses.

Moonlight Graham · July 18, 2012

It's not difficult to see a person's ideological leanings. I'm sorry that I have shattered your self-concept of being nuanced, complex, and layered. You're far more transparent than you believe. Your posts clearly demonstrated subscription to leftist narratives (systemic racism and unjustifiable prejudices against women, ethnicities, religions, sexual orientations, etc against CERTAIN groups and not towards others) to justify racist/sexist and other unjustifiably discriminatory practises such as so-called "affirmative action" that benefit certain groups at the expense of others who don't belong to the preferred group. Only a leftist would sincerely believe this.

I'm left on most things, right on others. For instance, I'm not a fan of Canada's multiculturalism agenda, and I'm for stronger Canadian nationalism (ie: more Canadian history taught in schools), typical right-wing beliefs. I've also voted for the CPC/PC/Alliance more times in the last 10 years than any other "leftist" party candidates combined (NDP/Liberal/Bloc etc.) in provincial and federal elections. So ya, your stereotyping is ridiculous.

kraychik · July 18, 2012

I'm left on most things

That much is obvious within a short time of reading your posts. Which was my point. This is true of most people, although the left loves believing that is is nuanced, layered, complex, and beyond labels.

So ya, your stereotyping is ridiculous.

I pegged you accurately, and many others on this forum in a very short time. It's not "stereotyping", either, it's a recognition of leftism by reading your posts.