13,000 Pages Of New Rules & Regulations For Obamacare

[bush_cheney2004]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztBGS74ZVpI

[bleeding heart]

Who else but white trash would burn an American flag to insult American juniors playing hockey in a pee-wee leg in Quebec? When a group of adults does such a thing, do they warrant the label of "trash", or not?

"White trash" is explicitly a class distinction (that's it's point), and by definition includes the children, both Canadian and American.

[kraychik]

"White trash" is explicitly a class distinction (that's it's point), and by definition includes the children, both Canadian and American.

It's got nothing to do with economic class, some of these white trash might be driving expensive cars and have lucrative careers with the provincial public service in Quebec. The trashiness is their behaviour. It's quite revealing how you jump to the defence of anti-American leftist bigots in Quebec who seek to harass a visiting team from America with kids and their parents for a pee-wee hockey game.

Edited July 6, 2012 by kraychik

[bleeding heart]

It's got nothing to do with economic class, some of these white trash might be driving expensive cars and have lucrative careers with the provincial public service in Quebec. The trashiness is their behaviour. It's quite revealing how you jump to the defence of anti-American leftist bigots in Quebec who seek to harass a visiting team from America with kids and their parents for a pee-wee hockey game.

I'm not defending them. I think they were crass, unbelievably rude, unneccessarily political, and, frankly, cruel.

[kraychik]

I'm not defending them. I think they were crass, unbelievably rude, unneccessarily political, and, frankly, cruel.

Yeah, they're white trash leftists from Quebec. I say it a lot more succinctly.

[bush_cheney2004]

[bleeding heart]

Yeah, they're white trash leftists from Quebec. I say it a lot more succinctly.

You don't know they're leftists, obviously.

Here, on MLW, we've got a couple of right-wingers who are the most continual "bashers" of America.

So your opinion flounders at birth.

Oh...and "white trash" is an elitist term of class distinctions. Congrsatulations on keeping up ther good fight for the aristocrats among us.

[bush_cheney2004]

Here, on MLW, we've got a couple of right-wingers who are the most continual "bashers" of America.

It is every Canadian's Charter Right to bash away at America. Especially if it helps to define a Canadian identity.

[kraychik]

You don't know they're leftists, obviously.

Here, on MLW, we've got a couple of right-wingers who are the most continual "bashers" of America.

So your opinion flounders at birth.

Oh...and "white trash" is an elitist term of class distinctions. Congrsatulations on keeping up ther good fight for the aristocrats among us.

Anti-Americanism in Canada is almost a leftist exclusive. So burning the American flag to taunt your pee-wee hockey players and their parents from America while in Quebec? I'm pretty sure they're not supporters of the Conservative Party of Canada. Do you expect any sensible person to take you seriously when you question whether or not white trash in Quebec burning the American flag are leftists? Yeah, I bet it was a bunch of French conservatives!

[bush_cheney2004]

From the Globe and Mail:

...Canada and the United States are separated by the world’s longest one-way mirror.

Americans look and see a slightly greyer version of themselves; Canadians survey the landscape and see the world’s largest, best-armed shopping mall. We might do them a disservice that way; there are things, from here, we just don’t get.

America is a service not available in Canada.

...Americans have stuff that we want

Edited July 6, 2012 by bush_cheney2004

[The_Squid]

There's already 13,000 pages of regulations, and they're not even done yet,

Would it be better to be written in 50 words or less and in crayon on a piece of cardboard?

The argument that something must be bad because it takes a lot of words is goofy. (I could have said preposterous rather than goofy, but I know big words are frightening scary for some people).

[The_Squid]

From the Globe and Mail:

...Canada and the United States are separated by the world’s longest one-way mirror.

Americans look and see a slightly greyer version of themselves; Canadians survey the landscape and see the world’s largest, best-armed shopping mall. We might do them a disservice that way; there are things, from here, we just don’t get.

America is a service not available in Canada.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/lets-celebrate-july-4th-by-admitting-americans-have-stuff-that-we-want/article4385643/

Most of the article is fluff, but I totally agree with this:

Weirdly, Americans get unsweetened iced tea.

Love your iced tea!!

Americans have nice drivers on their highways. The country that gave the world cars actually knows how to use them. I’ve driven America up and down, from the freeways of Los Angeles to the New Jersey Turnpike, from Illinois to Texas, and do you know where the drivers suddenly become terrifying? As soon as you cross the border into Ontario.

Are you merging onto an Interstate? Americans will pull over to let you in. On Ontario highways, driving instructors teach youth to throw their arms in the air and yell GERONIMO! as they plunge down the on ramp. It’s the only way.

Same goes for Washington State versus BC.

BC'ers do not know how to merge or let others merge. I don't know why this is. I wish cops would sit by a merge lane and enforce this rather than worrying if someone is going 10km/hr over the limit on an empty 4 land highway.

[Shady]

You mean like how he repealed and replaced RomneyCare which is pretty similar?

Does pretty similar mean the same? Because it isn't. There are many differences, if you ever bother to find out.

[BubberMiley]

The lack of clarification of the differences is deafening.

[kraychik]

The lack of clarification of the differences is deafening.

I would also like to see an articulation of the differences. Romney's biggest liability is... Romneycare.

[Shady]

The lack of clarification of the differences is deafening.

Well, just for starters, Obamacare effects everyone's health coverage, Romney's plan only effects the uninsured, which was about 3% of the state's population. Romney's plan didn't cut any funding from Medicare. Obamacare cuts $500 billion dollars and shifts it to his new enititlement. Romney didn't raise taxes. Obamacare raises taxes 21 seperate times. I hope that helps.

[kraychik]

Well, just for starters, Obamacare effects everyone's health coverage, Romney's plan only effects the uninsured, which was about 3% of the state's population. Romney's plan didn't cut any funding from Medicare. Obamacare cuts $500 billion dollars and shifts it to his new enititlement. Romney didn't raise taxes. Obamacare raises taxes 21 seperate times. I hope that helps.

None of that makes any sense, because providing insurance to the uninsured will automatically affect the entire market, including those who are currently insured. This is true for both Romneycare and Obamacare. The assertion that Romneycare somehow does this for free where Obamacare does it through raising taxes is laughable. Both increased costs on taxpayers, because there's no such thing as a free lunch. Even if Romney didn't raise taxes, he's increasing the debt. And debt is essentially deferred taxation. Romney didn't magically create free care whereas Obama didn't. They both cost money.

[Shady]

None of that makes any sense

Well, do some homework and it'll start to make more sense to you.

The assertion that Romneycare somehow does this for free where Obamacare does it through raising taxes is laughable.

Nobody said anything about free. Romney's health care legislation didn't touch anything involving people that already have insurance. Obama's does. It changes health care for everyone, regardless of whether or not you already have insurance. Obama has several tax hikes littered through Obamacare. Such as the new medical device tax. Does Romneycare include a medical device tax? Nope. Do some homework.

Both increased costs on taxpayers

Nope. In Massachusetts, if you already had health insurance, nothing changes. No new taxes. Not so with Obamacare.

Even if Romney didn't raise taxes, he's increasing the debt.

What debt is he increasing?

FYI, Obamacare's new taxes:

3.8% home sales tax on all houses sold after 2012. NOT IN ROMNEYCARE

2.3 percent tax on medical devices. NOT IN ROMNEYCARE

2.5% increase in the threshold for deducting medical expenses from taxes. It will now be 10% of one's adjusted gross income. It used to be 7.5%. NOT IN ROMNEYCARE

5% tax increase on captial gains income. NOT IN ROMNEYCARE

.9% increase in the Medicare payroll tax. NOT IN ROMNEYCARE

[bush_cheney2004]

3.8% home sales tax on all houses sold after 2012. NOT IN ROMNEYCARE

2.3 percent tax on medical devices. NOT IN ROMNEYCARE

2.5% increase in the threshold for deducting medical expenses from taxes. It will now be 10% of one's adjusted gross income. It used to be 7.5%. NOT IN ROMNEYCARE

5% tax increase on captial gains income. NOT IN ROMNEYCARE

.9% increase in the Medicare payroll tax. NOT IN ROMNEYCARE

Damn...you're good at this.

[bleeding heart]

Anti-Americanism in Canada is almost a leftist exclusive. So burning the American flag to taunt your pee-wee hockey players and their parents from America while in Quebec? I'm pretty sure they're not supporters of the Conservative Party of Canada. Do you expect any sensible person to take you seriously when you question whether or not white trash in Quebec burning the American flag are leftists? Yeah, I bet it was a bunch of French conservatives!

Your silliness, and your focus on obssessive trivialities, is increasing exponentially with every post. No small achievement.

[Canuckistani]

Well, do some homework and it'll start to make more sense to you.

Nobody said anything about free. Romney's health care legislation didn't touch anything involving people that already have insurance. Obama's does. It changes health care for everyone, regardless of whether or not you already have insurance. Obama has several tax hikes littered through Obamacare. Such as the new medical device tax. Does Romneycare include a medical device tax? Nope. Do some homework.

Nope. In Massachusetts, if you already had health insurance, nothing changes. No new taxes. Not so with Obamacare.

What debt is he increasing?

FYI, Obamacare's new taxes:

3.8% home sales tax on all houses sold after 2012. NOT IN ROMNEYCARE

2.3 percent tax on medical devices. NOT IN ROMNEYCARE

2.5% increase in the threshold for deducting medical expenses from taxes. It will now be 10% of one's adjusted gross income. It used to be 7.5%. NOT IN ROMNEYCARE

5% tax increase on captial gains income. NOT IN ROMNEYCARE

.9% increase in the Medicare payroll tax. NOT IN ROMNEYCARE

So where does the money for Romney care come from?

[kraychik]

Well, do some homework and it'll start to make more sense to you.

Nobody said anything about free. Romney's health care legislation didn't touch anything involving people that already have insurance. Obama's does. It changes health care for everyone, regardless of whether or not you already have insurance. Obama has several tax hikes littered through Obamacare. Such as the new medical device tax. Does Romneycare include a medical device tax? Nope. Do some homework.

Nope. In Massachusetts, if you already had health insurance, nothing changes. No new taxes. Not so with Obamacare.

What debt is he increasing?

FYI, Obamacare's new taxes:

3.8% home sales tax on all houses sold after 2012. NOT IN ROMNEYCARE

2.3 percent tax on medical devices. NOT IN ROMNEYCARE

2.5% increase in the threshold for deducting medical expenses from taxes. It will now be 10% of one's adjusted gross income. It used to be 7.5%. NOT IN ROMNEYCARE

5% tax increase on captial gains income. NOT IN ROMNEYCARE

.9% increase in the Medicare payroll tax. NOT IN ROMNEYCARE

That's all spin. You can't just legislate goods and services into existence. It is virtually a law of nature that governmental encroachment on an economy drives up costs. Providing insurance in Massachusetts to the previously uninsured via Romneycare could not possibly have not driven up costs, meaning either deferred taxation by driving up the deficit and/or debt without raising taxes (stupidity), or costing more and taxing more concurrently (also stupid). You can't just create goods and services out of thin air without paying for it.

Edited July 7, 2012 by kraychik

[kraychik]

So where does the money for Romney care come from?

Exactly. It's as if it just fell from the sky.

Edited July 7, 2012 by kraychik

[Shady]

Damn...you're good at this.

Thanks! I try.