waldo Posted June 23, 2012 Report Posted June 23, 2012 your expecting Swedish authorities to negotiate/concede jurisdiction to a legal team?... I interpret it more as, 'offered compromise'. I would expect questions asked would be the same, regardless of locale... notwithstanding the 'virtual' option originating from Sweden, via telephone. Clearly, Assange did not/does not want to be in Sweden given the intention of American authorities to have him extradited to the U.S.... hence the 2 compromise scenarios to still allow a questioning avenue. Quote
bud Posted June 24, 2012 Report Posted June 24, 2012 What kind of cowardly logicless infantile hit and run thread is this? The author of the OP, spouts off an illogical assertion, followed by some silly nonsense and then rides off into the sunset once a few folks show up to debate it Im seeing more and more of this too. it's not just drive-by threads that he starts. he also posts replies in a thread, receives a response dissecting his illogical post, never responds to it, then goes off to another thread and posts something similar. Quote http://whoprofits.org/
Guest Peeves Posted June 24, 2012 Report Posted June 24, 2012 (edited) This is what we call tearing the cover off the ball!!!! And this, "But the fact of the matter is youre just a "hack" that hates this guy because he dared challenge the supremecy of your most beloved authority." (Supremacy and you're spelled wrong) And pray tell just whooo is my most beloved authority? A bit flowery wouldn't you agree? yada yada is a simple case of ad hominem attack to no positive purpose or end.It's not even worthy of consideration as a school yard "Na Na! I'm a hack, ok considering the intellect of many here, than was a pretty good put down (not) that apparently one here appreciates. And then there's those that would applaud such a non sequitur or a poor bon mot that was not even near to being on point or, that as an insult in anyway furthers the post. Actually I'm rather displeased with the quality of attempted insults here. Rather inane and jejune as insults go. And, those that offer kudos for such a waste of time are equally deserving of our dismissal. What we've got here is (a) failure to communicate. So the pompous purveyor of purloined private papers prefers not to have the particulars about his personal proclivities pointed out perused or pursued. Meantime picayune persons present pontify about those people that post positions on the possible potential penitence or prison. Edited June 24, 2012 by Peeves Quote
Jack Weber Posted June 24, 2012 Report Posted June 24, 2012 (edited) And this, "But the fact of the matter is youre just a "hack" that hates this guy because he dared challenge the supremecy of your most beloved authority." (Supremacy and you're spelled wrong) And pray tell just whooo is my most beloved authority? A bit flowery wouldn't you agree? yada yada is a simple case of ad hominem attack to no positive purpose or end.It's not even worthy of consideration as a school yard "Na Na! I'm a hack, ok considering the intellect of many here, than was a pretty good put down (not) that apparently one here appreciates. And then there's those that would applaud such a non sequitur or a poor bon mot that was not even near to being on point or, that as an insult in anyway furthers the post. Actually I'm rather displeased with the quality of attempted insults here. Rather inane and jejune as insults go. And, those that offer kudos for such a waste of time are equally deserving of our dismissal. What we've got here is (a) failure to communicate. So the pompous purveyor of purloined private papers prefers not to have the particulars about his personal proclivities pointed out perused or pursued. Meantime picayune persons present pontify about those people that post positions on the possible potential penitence or prison. Wow... A submission to authority complex compunded with the standard intellectual superiority trait we see from so many conservative ideologues here...A Cool Hand Luke reference...With a P dominated wordplay as the icing on the cake... All in one shot... Well played... Edited June 24, 2012 by Jack Weber Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Guest Peeves Posted June 25, 2012 Report Posted June 25, 2012 Wow... A submission to authority complex compunded with the standard intellectual superiority trait we see from so many conservative ideologues here...A Cool Hand Luke reference...With a P dominated wordplay as the icing on the cake... All in one shot... Well played... What you said. Quote
Guest Peeves Posted June 29, 2012 Report Posted June 29, 2012 Wow... A submission to authority complex compunded with the standard intellectual superiority trait we see from so many conservative ideologues here...A Cool Hand Luke reference...With a P dominated wordplay as the icing on the cake... All in one shot... Well played... "With a P dominated wordplay as the icing on the cake..." Damn, and here I was shooting for alliteration. Quote
waldo Posted August 14, 2012 Report Posted August 14, 2012 a recent days letter from the Australian Attorney General, Nicola Roxon, to Assange's attorney has been released... a letter that prompted Assange to seek political asylum in the Ecuadorean embassy in London... Julian Assange will be granted asylum by Ecuador Ecuador's president Rafael Correa has agreed to give Julian Assange asylum, officials within Ecuador's government have said.The WikiLeaks founder has been holed up at Ecuador's London embassy since 19 June, when he officially requested political asylum. "Ecuador will grant asylum to Julian Assange," said an official in the Ecuadorean capital Quito, who is familiar with the government discussions. Quote
bleeding heart Posted August 14, 2012 Report Posted August 14, 2012 (edited) Sounds reasonable. I had my doubts it would occur, for reasons vaguely to do with Bill Graham's remarks in my signature. Edited August 14, 2012 by bleeding heart Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
bud Posted August 16, 2012 Report Posted August 16, 2012 not so fast.. The president of Ecuador, Rafael Correa, denied on Tuesday a report on the Web site of The Guardian that he had decided to grant asylum to the WikiLeaks founder, Julian Assange, who is holed up in the Ecuadorean Embassy in London. Quote http://whoprofits.org/
waldo Posted August 16, 2012 Report Posted August 16, 2012 yup... not so fast as "pressure mounts" from the powers that be! Julian Assange can be arrested in Ecuador embassy, UK warns Patiño said he was "deeply shocked" by the diplomatic letter. Speaking to reporters later, he said: "The government of Ecuador is considering a request for asylum and has carried out diplomatic talks with the governments of the United Kingdom and Sweden. However, today we received from the United Kingdom a written threat that they could attack our embassy in London if Ecuador does not give up Julian Assange."Ecuador, as a state that respects rights and justice and is a democratic and peaceful nation state, rejects in the strongest possible terms the explicit threat of the British official communication. "This is unbecoming of a democratic, civilised and law-abiding state. If this conduct persists, Ecuador will take appropriate responses in accordance with international law. "If the measures announced in the British official communication materialise they will be interpreted by Ecuador as a hostile and intolerable act and also as an attack on our sovereignty, which would require us to respond with greater diplomatic force. "Such actions would be a blatant disregard of the Vienna convention on diplomatic relations and of the rules of international law of the past four centuries. "It would be a dangerous precedent because it would open the door to the violation of embassies as a declared sovereign space." Under international law, diplomatic posts are considered the territory of the foreign nation. Quote
TheNewTeddy Posted August 16, 2012 Report Posted August 16, 2012 Pussy. My response would have been Any attack on our Embassy is an attack on our nation itself. Any such attack would be a declaration of war. Quote Feel free to contact me outside the forums. Add "TheNewTeddy" to Twitter, Facebook, or Hotmail to reach me!
waldo Posted August 16, 2012 Report Posted August 16, 2012 well... there you go! Ecuador Grants Asylum to Assange, Defying Britain The announcement was made by the Ecuadorean foreign minister, Ricardo Patiño, at a news conference in Quito, where the government set a defiant tone over pressure from Britain. Just before the announcement, President Rafael Correa said: “No one is going to terrorize us!” Mr. Patiño said he hoped Britain would permit Mr. Assange to leave the embassy in London for Ecuador — a request Britain has rejected, saying it has a legal obligation to extradite Mr. Assange to Sweden, where is wanted to face questioning about allegations of sexual misbehavior. The minister said his government had taken the decision after the authorities in Britain, Sweden and the United States had refused to give guarantees that, if Mr. Assange were extradited to Sweden, he would not then be sent on to America to face other charges. Quote
bleeding heart Posted August 16, 2012 Report Posted August 16, 2012 (edited) It's interesting that Equador is now protecting an individual's rights from the supposed defenders of individual rights..... Edited August 16, 2012 by bleeding heart Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
Shady Posted August 16, 2012 Report Posted August 16, 2012 It's interesting that Equador is now protecting an individual's rights from the supposed defenders of individual rights..... I'm wondering why they're protecting a possible serial rapist from facing justice. Perhaps if he raped some women from Equador, they'd feel differently. Quote
bleeding heart Posted August 16, 2012 Report Posted August 16, 2012 I'm wondering why they're protecting a possible serial rapist from facing justice. Perhaps if he raped some women from Equador, they'd feel differently. The "possible serial rapist" hasn't even been charged, Shady. He's wanted for questioning. Further, he fully agrees to the questioning...with the provision that he won't be extradited to the United States. Sweden refuses to make this agreement. Equador is protecting Assange from possible persecution from American authorities. It is certainly a legitimate action, and considering Equador's relationship with all three countries in question (Sweden, the UK, and the US), it's no doubt a decision they don't take lightly. Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
jacee Posted August 16, 2012 Report Posted August 16, 2012 (edited) I'm wondering why they're protecting a possible serial rapist from facing justice. Perhaps if he raped some women from Equador, they'd feel differently. I'm wondering why the UK gives a hoot about extraditing to Sweden - to the extreme of threatening to storm the embassy - someone who hasn't even been charged with any crime?! It's pretty clear the complainants are just a ruse to get him extradited to the US where they are foaming at the mouth to lock him up and throw away the key. He will be a hero in history regardless. All people in all countries deserve to know how their governments are spending their money. Assange is a hero for blowing the lid off government secrecy. And to my knowledge, none of those 'secrets' have yet resulted in any major threats or disasters so ... what's the big deal?! US wants revenge because he revealed to people what they have every right to know ... ie, how their tax dollars are being (mis)used?! I hope he stays safe and keeps working to free the information that we paid for and belongs to us. http://rt.com/usa/news/wikileaks-attacks-antileaks-group-293/ WikiLeaks shut down by American hackers Published: 09 August, 2012, An administrator behind the official WikiLeaks account responded to the attacks on Thursday, writing, “No one is directly frightened of WikiLeaks. What they're frightened of is you seeing a successful example of independence.” “No one is directly frightened of WikiLeaks. What they're frightened of is you knowing how the world works, because they're scared of you,” the account adds. WIKI LEAKS IS BACK! http://wikileaks.org/ Edited August 16, 2012 by jacee Quote
Argus Posted August 17, 2012 Report Posted August 17, 2012 Why the hell would a person that hasnt been charged with a crime be extradited to anywhere? Swedish authorities have now had more than 2 years to build a case against Assange, and they have been unable to formally charge him with ANYTHING AT ALL. Where is the charges? Where is the evidence? This guy is absolutely right to seek asylum. I remain impressed by the degree to which people will alter their world view based upon whether they like the political ideology of others. Rape? Pah, not a problem! Boys will be boys! Of course he's right to ask for asylum given Sweden's well-known lack of human rights and extensive record of torture! How can he hope for a fair trial in SWEDEN?! Thank God there's uh, Ecuador to protect our human rights. There's no evidence! Therefore, he should go back without fear to... uh, I mean, of course he should declare asylum and never go back! God almighty. The Left is just so absolutely PACKED solid with towering intellectual thinking.... Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted August 17, 2012 Report Posted August 17, 2012 (edited) Because he , like millions of others , dont think he will be treated fairly. He is right to seek asylum. I accuse you of rape! I have no evidence of this, but I'm sure you'll now immediately run to the Ecuador embassy and beg for asylum. Edited August 17, 2012 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
jacee Posted August 17, 2012 Report Posted August 17, 2012 I accuse you of rape! I have no evidence of this, but I'm sure you'll now immediately run to the Ecuador embassy and beg for asylum. Of course there seldom is "evidence" of rape but there also are no charges. There is only the certainty that once in custody in Sweden he'll be slapped in the hole in the US and the two "rape" complainants will experience a sudden increase in their bank accounts if they already haven't. Quote
waldo Posted August 17, 2012 Report Posted August 17, 2012 There's no evidence! Therefore, he should go back without fear to... uh, I mean, of course he should declare asylum and never go back! God almighty. The Left is just so absolutely PACKED solid with towering intellectual thinking.... save yourself further embarrassment and take a bit of time to get acquainted with a subject you clearly know nothing about... negotiations did occur that would have seen Assange return to Sweden, voluntarily on his own... if the Swedish government offered a guarantee that it would not, in turn, extradite Assange to the U.S.. The Swedish government refused to provide that guarantee. Quote
Wilber Posted August 17, 2012 Report Posted August 17, 2012 Whether in the UK or Sweden this will be decided by the courts, not politicians. Compared to the aformentioned, I don't see Ecuador as a champion of human rights. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Argus Posted August 17, 2012 Report Posted August 17, 2012 Of course there seldom is "evidence" of rape but there also are no charges. There is only the certainty that once in custody in Sweden he'll be slapped in the hole in the US and the two "rape" complainants will experience a sudden increase in their bank accounts if they already haven't. Certainty? Sweden is an internationally recognized champion of human rights, and yet as far as everyone on the Left seems to think they will simply play along with whatever nefarious scheme those evil Americans have in mind for punishing this guy... Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted August 17, 2012 Report Posted August 17, 2012 save yourself further embarrassment and take a bit of time to get acquainted with a subject you clearly know nothing about... negotiations did occur that would have seen Assange return to Sweden, voluntarily on his own... if the Swedish government offered a guarantee that it would not, in turn, extradite Assange to the U.S.. The Swedish government refused to provide that guarantee. Why should they provide any such guarantee? I know that by your lights Assange is some sort of semi-deity deserving of the most extraordinary benefits, but in reality he's just an ordinary person accused of a very ordinary crime. No government makes any guarantees to such people unless it's for an exchange of testimony on something else. If Canada sought to bring him here on a charge we'd offer no guarantee that we wouldn't extradite him to another western democracy which might also have evidence of his wrongdoing. Face it. You don't care if he raped anyone because you love how he tweaked the evil Americans. He could murder babies on camera and you'd just shrug and giggle. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted August 17, 2012 Report Posted August 17, 2012 At any rate, it's not much of a secret now. And of course it's rational for him to try to avoid it. It's rational to move to Ecuador and never go home again, EVER, never go to Europe or America or anywhere else (Assange is a very well-traveled guy normally) because you're accused of a crime in Sweden? It's only rational if you know damn well you're guilty. And by the way, if he's sought by the US on espionage or other crimes where they have evidence, then I have no sympathy with him on that either. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted August 17, 2012 Report Posted August 17, 2012 It was simply an attempt to silence Assange from the people he is trying to expose. It was a threat. Obviously he has not taken the bait. Also, the waiting two years to actually charge him with anything shows that they don't have anything on Assange. Like Canada never takes two years to charge people with crimes... Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
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