It's not a protest, demonstration or strike, IT"S ANARCHY!

[Guest Peeves]

and those supporting this violent law breaking action should be exposed and perhaps charged for supporting

insurrection or sedition.

Those profs or the unions that are financing the violence are enablers no less. I cannot understand how any Ontario dues paying union member that is perhaps putting their kid through university would be happy with the likes of Syd Ryan pissin their dues away.

The violence, throwing rocks and Molotov cocktails at those officers attempting to maintain the law is not acceptable and should be met with equal force.

Shouldn't a person attacking an armed officer of the peace expect to be tasered or shot if they are threatening injury? I think so.

You attack an armed officer expect a busted head at least.

These 'students' are being expected to pay the lowest tuition in North America. An increase that just brings the amount when inflation is factored, to the same base it was 40 years ago.

I certainly hope the mob is incarcerated and kept in some enclosure for trial.

[Fletch 27]

+1 !

and those supporting this violent law breaking action should be exposed and perhaps charged for supporting

insurrection or sedition.

Those profs or the unions that are financing the violence are enablers no less. I cannot understand how any Ontario dues paying union member that is perhaps putting their kid through university would be happy with the likes of Syd Ryan pissin their dues away.

The violence, throwing rocks and Molotov cocktails at those officers attempting to maintain the law is not acceptable and should be met with equal force.

Shouldn't a person attacking an armed officer of the peace expect to be tasered or shot if they are threatening injury? I think so.

You attack an armed officer expect a busted head at least.

These 'students' are being expected to pay the lowest tuition in North America. An increase that just brings the amount when inflation is factored, to the same base it was 40 years ago.

I certainly hope the mob is incarcerated and kept in some enclosure for trial.

[PIK]

and those supporting this violent law breaking action should be exposed and perhaps charged for supporting

insurrection or sedition.

Those profs or the unions that are financing the violence are enablers no less. I cannot understand how any Ontario dues paying union member that is perhaps putting their kid through university would be happy with the likes of Syd Ryan pissin their dues away.

The violence, throwing rocks and Molotov cocktails at those officers attempting to maintain the law is not acceptable and should be met with equal force.

Shouldn't a person attacking an armed officer of the peace expect to be tasered or shot if they are threatening injury? I think so.

You attack an armed officer expect a busted head at least.

These 'students' are being expected to pay the lowest tuition in North America. An increase that just brings the amount when inflation is factored, to the same base it was 40 years ago.

I certainly hope the mob is incarcerated and kept in some enclosure for trial.

+2

[jacee]

and those supporting this violent law breaking action should be exposed and perhaps charged for supporting

insurrection or sedition.

Democracy is that scary to you, eh?

All public opposition must be silenced!

"insurrection and sedition" ?

Indeed ... show me how democratic protests in the streets qualify for that designation. Our system DEPENDS ENTIRELY on the freedom of the people to protest.

Election fraud, on the other hand, certainly is an attempt to undermine and overthrow our system of democracy. Seditious indeed!

Those profs or the unions that are financing the violence are enablers no less. I cannot understand how any Ontario dues paying union member that is perhaps putting their kid through university would be happy with the likes of Syd Ryan pissin their dues away.

Not your business, is it?!

The violence, throwing rocks and Molotov cocktails at those officers attempting to maintain the law is not acceptable and should be met with equal force.

Shouldn't a person attacking an armed officer of the peace expect to be tasered or shot if they are threatening injury? I think so.

You attack an armed officer expect a busted head at least.

You expect to get charged. That's how the law works in Canada. Police brutality is illegal. Police don't have the right to give out punishment. That's a matter for the courts.

These 'students' are being expected to pay the lowest tuition in North America. An increase that just brings the amount when inflation is factored, to the same base it was 40 years ago.

Ahhh! The good old days! When only the financial 'elite' went to postsecondary! How DARE those poor students expect to get an education, eh?!

How crass that they protest in the streets!

And OMIGOD! All those members of the PUBLI supporting them banging away on their pots and pans! SILENCE I say! DO NOT oppose your sovereign !

I certainly hope the mob is incarcerated and kept in some enclosure for trial.

Those who've committed illegal acts know the risks they take, but undue harshness in punishment WILL ALWAYS BACKFIRE because it mobilizes more opposition. That is what has happened in Quebec and is reverberating all across the country. Attempts to crush dissent are anti-democratic and will always meet rising resistance.

It's quite humourous that the hardliners think that if they can just punish protesters harshly, they'll all run home in fear. That's just not the way it works. We aren't afraid. Determination doubles with every harsh anti-democratic action.

Harsh and violent suppression of democratic dissent is never a winning strategy.

As you are seeing ...

Edited May 25, 2012 by jacee

[eyeball]

It's not a protest, demonstration or strike, IT"S ANARCHY! Plain and simple.

Bring it on. I think the same basic under-currents running through these student's protests also ran through the recent Occupy protests and will likely start surfacing more frequently and elsewhere given the cocked-up direction things are going in this country and the world.

Like I said, the more the merrier.

Edited May 25, 2012 by eyeball

[g_bambino]

Democracy is that scary to you, eh?

There you go with your word-mangling, again.

[socialist]

this strike against the wealthy elite is great. its about time young people like myself start to fight back at goverments that take away my rights. i should have the right to free education for as long as i want so that i can develop my skills properly. our brothers in quebec are the only people in this country who have balls of steel. we all owe them a debt of gratitude for their sacrifices. maybe if the rich paid taxes we would have the great countries that some of the forefathers envisioned. we owe alot to all the brave occupiers who are fighting for are rights. nobody even knows what democracy is anymore. the concept of democracy has been eroded. count on greedy capitalist pigs to screw us bigtime.

[Fletch 27]

The students protesting ARE the wealthy dude! They can take an entire year off and the parents still footing the rooming and board? THESE kids are the privelidged... Dont kid yourself.. The student in class understand that the sooner they are out, the sooner they can move forward in a rewarding career!!!!! Your idea of democracy (when only 1/3rd of the students are protesting) is VERY flawed

this strike against the wealthy elite is great. its about time young people like myself start to fight back at goverments that take away my rights. i should have the right to free education for as long as i want so that i can develop my skills properly. our brothers in quebec are the only people in this country who have balls of steel. we all owe them a debt of gratitude for their sacrifices. maybe if the rich paid taxes we would have the great countries that some of the forefathers envisioned. we owe alot to all the brave occupiers who are fighting for are rights. nobody even knows what democracy is anymore. the concept of democracy has been eroded. count on greedy capitalist pigs to screw us bigtime.

[Signals.Cpl]

this strike against the wealthy elite is great. its about time young people like myself start to fight back at goverments that take away my rights. i should have the right to free education for as long as i want so that i can develop my skills properly. our brothers in quebec are the only people in this country who have balls of steel. we all owe them a debt of gratitude for their sacrifices. maybe if the rich paid taxes we would have the great countries that some of the forefathers envisioned. we owe alot to all the brave occupiers who are fighting for are rights. nobody even knows what democracy is anymore. the concept of democracy has been eroded. count on greedy capitalist pigs to screw us bigtime.

You made my day with your comedic talents...keep it up its hilarious.

[Black Dog]

These 'students' are being expected to pay the lowest tuition in North America. An increase that just brings the amount when inflation is factored, to the same base it was 40 years ago.

Your point?

[jacee]

The students protesting ARE the wealthy dude! They can take an entire year off and the parents still footing the rooming and board? THESE kids are the privelidged... Dont kid yourself.. The student in class understand that the sooner they are out, the sooner they can move forward in a rewarding career!!!!! Your idea of democracy (when only 1/3rd of the students are protesting) is VERY flawed

The students protesting are the "wealthy"?

Can you cite evidence for that outlandish claim?

Because it's pretty obvious that the ones protesting would be the ones paying their own way - ie, NOT wealthy.

Perhaps you still hold the delusion that postsecondary education is only for the "wealthy"?

That hasn't been the case for several decades.

However, as tuition escalated in the past decade, it has become increasingly difficult for any but the wealthy to manage.

That is the subject of the student protests.

Wealth, or lack of it, should not limit educational achievement.

[Signals.Cpl]

The students protesting are the "wealthy"?

Can you cite evidence for that outlandish claim?

Because it's pretty obvious that the ones protesting would be the ones paying their own way - ie, NOT wealthy.

Can you cite evidence for that outlandish claim?

[Guest Peeves]

Democracy is that scary to you, eh?

All public opposition must be silenced!

"insurrection and sedition" ?

Indeed ... show me how democratic protests in the streets qualify for that designation. Our system DEPENDS ENTIRELY on the freedom of the people to protest.

look the definitions up. Their actions meet the test in many circumstance.

Election fraud, on the other hand, certainly is an attempt to undermine and overthrow our system of democracy. Seditious indeed!

Not your business, is it?!

So you want others to have freedom of speech, but deny me the same. Of course it's my business, I'm a Canadian and especially entitled to an opinion as is everyone else

You expect to get charged. That's how the law works in Canada. Police brutality is illegal. Police don't have the right to give out punishment. That's a matter for the courts.

Poppycock, police shoot or taser atackers on a regular basis. Try coming at one with a bat or knife or other weapon of choice.

Ahhh! The good old days! When only the financial 'elite' went to postsecondary! How DARE those poor students expect to get an education, eh?!

The Anglos at universities and colleges for the most part are still going to school, getting an education, and not rioting like buffoons.

How crass that they protest in the streets!

And OMIGOD! All those members of the PUBLI supporting them banging away on their pots and pans! SILENCE I say! DO NOT oppose your sovereign !

Those supporting them are enablers that are inciting riots. If they go past a demonstration, if they don't abide by the law,lock them up too.

Those who've committed illegal acts know the risks they take, but undue harshness in punishment WILL ALWAYS BACKFIRE because it mobilizes more opposition. That is what has happened in Quebec and is reverberating all across the country. Attempts to crush dissent are anti-democratic and will always meet rising resistance.

It's quite humourous that the hardliners think that if they can just punish protesters harshly, they'll all run home in fear. That's just not the way it works. We aren't afraid. Determination doubles with every harsh anti-democratic action.

Harsh and violent suppression of democratic dissent is never a winning strategy.

As you are seeing ...

We have laws. We have punishments for breaking laws. Those that would ignore,subvert or test the laws with anarchy, violence and destructive rioting deserve to be met with whatever resources required within legal authority. Those that defend law breakers are quite simply encouraging the violence and denying the crimes. I would therefore consider such as enablers and terrorist supporters.

Businesses are being threatened, other citizens, schools, students denied an education, tourism is suffering because spoiled brats want something no other Canadian or North American has, free everything. Who pays? the tax payer and those law biding citizens impacted by the anarchists.

Edited May 25, 2012 by Peeves

[Guest Peeves]

Your point?

My point is obvious. They are not hard done by. They have no tuition 'cause' but only childish 'wants' as spoiled entitled self centered anarchists.

[Guest Peeves]

You made my day with your comedic talents...keep it up its hilarious.

I think that's out of the Book of Trudeau, Marxist 101 via Red Square.

[Black Dog]

My point is obvious. They are not hard done by. They have no tuition 'cause' but only childish 'wants' as spoiled entitled self centered anarchists.

“Entitlement.” We hear that word associated again and again with student protesters in Quebec. Usually, it’s preceded by the words, “sense of.”

“They think someone owes them a living,” disgruntled critics harrumph. “Wait until they get into the real world.”

Setting aside the fact that this intergenerational hectoring dates back to Socrates, let us ask: Who exactly is making the charge? Quebec has had low tuition rates for a half century. That means almost every living adult in the province, having already been afforded a plum goodie, is now wagging his finger at the first generation that will be asked to pay the tab. So who really is entitled here?

Canadians now aged 55 years and older will collect Old Age Security when they hit 65. The rest of us will have to work two more years. Those who came of age in the 1960s enjoyed Employment Insurance and Medicare when they were still unfunded liabilities. They cash a Canada Pension cheque that depends upon today’s working men and women. The plan probably won’t exist by the time the rest of us reach whatever age of retirement the government decrees by the time we are old.

In the 1970s, parents pulled on the (now discontinued) Family Allowance program. The employed could count on a level of job security that allowed them to take on debt to own houses, cottages and cars. They paid them off and retired to indexed pensions.

It’s almost like Canadians had a “sense of entitlement,” or something.

In the ’90s, this same well-entitled generation began the drumbeat for lower taxes, never once offering up a government program they were willing to sacrifice. When the economy tanked, it fell to money-starved governments to bail everyone out. Today’s youth had nothing to do with that profligacy, but are being called upon to “grow up” and shoulder the adult responsibility of paying the debt off.

We hear a great deal these days about how we have to be reasonable about the times we live in. Corporate officers pulling in massive salaries and bonuses even as their companies lose money say average working men and women have to understand that the age of job security, pensions and even a middle-class wage are behind us. Have any of them offered to take the lead by surrendering even a fraction of their benefits? Are Federal Labour Minister Lisa Rait and Quebec Premier Jean Charest prepared to trim their gold-plated pensions to set an example to the students and workers they condescendingly lecture about the “new reality”?

Today’s youth face a grim future not of their own making. Is it any wonder that they’re angry about it? What they are asking for is what previous generations so eagerly gobbled up for themselves. If those generations now believe their entitlements were too generous, then, perhaps, in the spirit of sharing the burden, they might want to give some of them back.

Didn’t think so.

-Link

[Guest Peeves]

-Link

Yeh, I read his article too. It's a diversion from the facts by bringing in other issues having no bearing on the riots. Those others he cites are not breaking the law nor have anything to do with the French students in Quebec. Another 'red' herring by our 1010 socialist Johnny Moore. (Must be kin to Michael eh!)

http://www.newstalk1010.com/Hosts/MooreintheMorning.aspx

[Black Dog]

Yeh, I read his article too. It's a diversion from the facts by bringing in other issues having no bearing on the riots.

Yes, much as the riots themselves are a distraction from the real issues. The point is a response to your contention that the students are "spoiled entitled self centered anarchists" for merely wanting what others have already benefited from.

Those others he cites are not breaking the law nor have anything to do with the French students in Quebec

What "others?"

Another 'red' herring by our 1010 socialist Johnny Moore. (Must be kin to Michael eh!)

http://www.newstalk1010.com/Hosts/MooreintheMorning.aspx

Ad hominem fallacy.

[Guest Peeves]

Yes, much as the riots themselves are a distraction from the real issues. The point is a response to your contention that the students are "spoiled entitled self centered anarchists" for merely wanting what others have already benefited from.

You had best explain that for me. What others benefited beyond what Quebec students have past or present. They have now, have in the past, and even after any tuition increases will still have by far the lowest tuition in North America. So please

What they are doing is anarchy. How they are acting is self centered since they are denying others their rights freedoms and business,And if I have to explain spoiled, it would of course apply to all of Quebec.

What "others?"

The older generation he inserts as if it was pertinent to the riots in Quebec.

Ad hominem fallacy.

Edited May 25, 2012 by Peeves

[Black Dog]

You had best explain that for me. What others benefited beyond what Quebec students have past or present. They have now, have in the past, and even after any tuition increases will still have by far the lowest tuition in North America. So please

Other generations of Quebecers. That's pretty clear. As to "entitlement" in general, there's a host of other programs that the current generation will not have that past generations enjoyed. But it's the kids who are the spoiled, entitled ones?

What they are doing is anarchy. How they are acting is self centered since they are denying others their rights freedoms and business,And if I have to explain spoiled, it would of course apply to all of Quebec.

This law and order bleating is all pretty meaningless to me. I'm more interested in the real issues.

Edited May 25, 2012 by Black Dog

[g_bambino]

nobody even knows what democracy is anymore.

And you can count yourself among them.

[jacee]

We have laws. We have punishments for breaking laws. Those that would ignore,subvert or test the laws with anarchy, violence and destructive rioting deserve to be met with whatever resources required within legal authority. Those that defend law breakers are quite simply encouraging the violence and denying the crimes. I would therefore consider such as enablers and terrorist supporters.

If you don't like protests, the hallmark of democracy, perhaps you'd be more comfortable in a non-democratic country where protest is outlawed.

Businesses are being threatened, other citizens, schools, students denied an education, tourism is suffering because spoiled brats want something no other Canadian or North American has, free everything. Who pays? the tax payer and those law biding citizens impacted by the anarchists.

That's why protest is the hallmark of democracy ... because it does put pressure on governments to negotiate solutions instead of imposing (eg) tuition increases and laws crushing dissent on people.

Protest is supposed to affect business, supposed to make people take notice, supposed to cause discussion, disrupt 'business as usual' ... so the decision-makers have to address the issues.

[Signals.Cpl]

If you don't like protests, the hallmark of democracy, perhaps you'd be more comfortable in a non-democratic country where protest is outlawed.

That's why protest is the hallmark of democracy ... because it does put pressure on governments to negotiate solutions instead of imposing (eg) tuition increases and laws crushing dissent on people.

Protest is supposed to affect business, supposed to make people take notice, supposed to cause discussion, disrupt 'business as usual' ... so the decision-makers have to address the issues.

Replace protest with terrorism.

[g_bambino]

Replace protest with terrorism.

She has one seriously twisted definition of democracy in her mind.

Of course, she would reverse it 180 degrees should it be she being prevented from getting to her destination or engaging in her planned activity by people protesting some government course of action she agrees with; those people would be selfish egomaniacs with no regard for the rule of law.

[jacee]

She has one seriously twisted definition of democracy in her mind.

Of course, she would reverse it 180 degrees should it be she being prevented from getting to her destination or engaging in her planned activity by people protesting some government course of action she agrees with; those people would be selfish egomaniacs with no regard for the rule of law.

I may disagree, but I will support your right to protest.

It is the defining characteristic of democracy.