Bonam Posted May 12, 2012 Report Posted May 12, 2012 A Canadian is someone who knows how to have sex in a canoe. --–Pierre Berton. Given the opportunity, I think most people could figure it out Quote
-TSS- Posted May 12, 2012 Report Posted May 12, 2012 As in my country immigration is a relatively new phenomenon as immigration on a massive scale has only happened for few years and understandably there has been resentment among the population manifesting itself in the electoral success of the True Finns-party last year, many of those who oppose the opne doors-policy say that we should be like Canada which has a points based system of allowing immigrants into the country making sure that only people with skills enter the country and none whatsoever of the islamic radicals we in Europe get. Well, it is futile to tell those people that the number of immigrants entering Canada is multifold compared to my country and even though there is a points based system there is still a quota for humanitarian immigration. Quote
bleeding heart Posted May 12, 2012 Report Posted May 12, 2012 Given the opportunity, I think most people could figure it out Oh, yes. The big three: Sex, eating, and breathing; people will generally find a way. Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
Scotty Posted May 12, 2012 Report Posted May 12, 2012 Actually assigning citizenship by birth is a pretty good idea, and its pretty much a universal way to handle this. If we stopped doing it we would end up with a lot of non-citizens that nobody wanted to grant citizenship to at all. The only sane ways to award citizenship is based on blood or residency. If your mom or dad is Canadian then you're Canadian. If move here legally and stay here then you become a Canadian. You shouldn't become a Canadian because your mother's plane had a stopover in Gander on its journey between two other countries. That's just stupid. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Signals.Cpl Posted May 12, 2012 Report Posted May 12, 2012 Canada should adopt policies like those of the United States and tax Canadians living overseas. It is ridiculous having Canadians of convenience living abroad for most of their adult working lives never paying taxes to Canada and expect Canada to spend tax dollars to evacuate them when things get bad. A nation that gives its citizens a lot of rights but does not place responsibilities will find it hard to survive in the long term. A nation that gives its citizen little or no rights but does place a lot of responsibilities will find it hard to survive in the long term. We need a middle ground where citizenship gives you certain rights but at the same time requires something in return. Quote Hope for the Best, Prepare for the Worst
-TSS- Posted May 12, 2012 Report Posted May 12, 2012 Canada should adopt policies like those of the United States and tax Canadians living overseas. It is ridiculous having Canadians of convenience living abroad for most of their adult working lives never paying taxes to Canada and expect Canada to spend tax dollars to evacuate them when things get bad. A nation that gives its citizens a lot of rights but does not place responsibilities will find it hard to survive in the long term. A nation that gives its citizen little or no rights but does place a lot of responsibilities will find it hard to survive in the long term. We need a middle ground where citizenship gives you certain rights but at the same time requires something in return. Interesting, I never knew that such "convenience Canadians" existed. Probably that is a loophole which needs to be filled. Quote
PIK Posted May 12, 2012 Report Posted May 12, 2012 (edited) Being born here. or Gettng citizenship status. As someone who's family has been here since 1796, and has worked hard in building this country and then some one shows up at the door and he is as canadian as me, sorry that is BS. My family earned the right to call ourselves canadian, we did not buy our way in. You are a born canadian or a immigrant. So many people have forgot canada existed before trudeau came to power and sold out the country. Edited May 12, 2012 by PIK Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
Jack Weber Posted May 12, 2012 Report Posted May 12, 2012 (edited) As someone who's family has been here since 1796, and has worked hard in building this country and then some one shows up at the door and he is as canadian as me, sorry that is BS. My family earned the right to call ourselves canadian, we did not buy our way in. You are a born canadian or a immigrant. So many people have forgot canada existed before trudeau came to power and sold out the country. So...It's all Trudeau's fault... Could you point to anything substantially different Robert Stanfield might have done??? Edited May 12, 2012 by Jack Weber Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Signals.Cpl Posted May 12, 2012 Report Posted May 12, 2012 (edited) As someone who's family has been here since 1796, and has worked hard in building this country and then some one shows up at the door and he is as canadian as me, sorry that is BS. Yeah and the natives were here before your family whats your point? My family earned the right to call ourselves canadian, we did not buy our way in. My family earned the right to call ourself Canadians as well. Both my parents are law abiding, hardworking and taxpaying individuals as are my sister and myself. If you consider this "buying" the right to consider myself Canadian you have some serious issues. You are a born canadian or a immigrant. So many people have forgot canada existed before trudeau came to power and sold out the country. So Trudeau invented immigration? No immigration during the 1800's or the 1900's? You might want to read some Canadian history books. Edited May 12, 2012 by Signals.Cpl Quote Hope for the Best, Prepare for the Worst
Jack Weber Posted May 12, 2012 Report Posted May 12, 2012 So Trudeau invented immigration? No immigration during the 1800's or the 1900's? You might want to read some Canadian history books. Yeah,but in PIK's mind Trudeau started allowing those people who weren't from Europe into this country... Of course,there was a time when even certain types from Europe weren't welcome... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
bleeding heart Posted May 12, 2012 Report Posted May 12, 2012 Yeah,but in PIK's mind Trudeau started allowing those people who weren't from Europe into this country... Of course,there was a time when even certain types from Europe weren't welcome... True. Somehow, that too must be Trudeau's fault. Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
Jack Weber Posted May 12, 2012 Report Posted May 12, 2012 True. Somehow, that too must be Trudeau's fault. Of course....At least 100 years before the fact...Nevermind the the obvious fact that almost all Western countries embraced a similar version of immigration... So Pik (Argus) and others better blame several US President's,German Chancellor's,and,British Prime Minister's etc.... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
-TSS- Posted May 12, 2012 Report Posted May 12, 2012 As someone who's family has been here since 1796, and has worked hard in building this country and then some one shows up at the door and he is as canadian as me, sorry that is BS. My family earned the right to call ourselves canadian, we did not buy our way in. You are a born canadian or a immigrant. So many people have forgot canada existed before trudeau came to power and sold out the country. 1796! Wow, that is impressive! The first nations have been in Canada since...? Quote
Argus Posted May 12, 2012 Report Posted May 12, 2012 Of course....At least 100 years before the fact...Nevermind the the obvious fact that almost all Western countries embraced a similar version of immigration... And what's that gotten them but race riots and massive ethnic slums? So Pik (Argus) and others better blame several US President's,German Chancellor's,and,British Prime Minister's etc.... Unlike Weber (Guyser) I have no difficult figuring out what idiots were responsible for the dumb political policies which have led to the issues I have with immigration. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Jack Weber Posted May 12, 2012 Report Posted May 12, 2012 (edited) And what's that gotten them but race riots and massive ethnic slums? Unlike Weber (Guyser) I have no difficult figuring out what idiots were responsible for the dumb political policies which have led to the issues I have with immigration. Ah yes.. Only ethnic European's who speak english fit your criteria of immigration...Non-english Europeans follow after that... Nothing ethnocentric/xenophobic about that... "The Big Giant Head has spoken!!" Edited May 12, 2012 by Jack Weber Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Signals.Cpl Posted May 12, 2012 Report Posted May 12, 2012 (edited) And what's that gotten them but race riots and massive ethnic slums? Unlike Weber (Guyser) I have no difficult figuring out what idiots were responsible for the dumb political policies which have led to the issues I have with immigration. Many of the problems are caused by the division of us and them. When you tell hardworking people that they are a step below people born in Canada no matter how hard they work or how dedicated they are to Canada. Edited May 12, 2012 by Signals.Cpl Quote Hope for the Best, Prepare for the Worst
jacee Posted May 12, 2012 Report Posted May 12, 2012 Are Québécois that define themselves first as French -Québécois really implying they aren't Canadians? Are First Nations, that reside (now, some historically apparently never did), in Canada on their own territory or reserve Canadians in their mind? Are those that would leave Canada and ally themselves with Somali causes or to fight our NATO allies really Canadians? Are those that immigrate or claim and receive refugee status then return to visit or live for years on end in their former country of 'threat' Canadians? Are those (immigrants -what ever),that only live in Canada frequently enough to gain benefits,,health care, rescue etc. really Canadians? I think the criteria should be examined and possibly tightened up. I think we should really 'tighten up' on Neo-Nazi/white supremacist/white nationalists who call themselves 'Canadian', and deport them/strip them of citizenship/exile them to their own 'white nation' on a big 'white' iceberg waaaaay up north. Quote
dre Posted May 13, 2012 Report Posted May 13, 2012 The only sane ways to award citizenship is based on blood or residency. If your mom or dad is Canadian then you're Canadian. If move here legally and stay here then you become a Canadian. You shouldn't become a Canadian because your mother's plane had a stopover in Gander on its journey between two other countries. That's just stupid. Not its not stupid at all. You were born in Canada if thats the case, delivered in a Canadian hospital by a Canadian doctor, and given a Canadian birth certificate. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
dre Posted May 13, 2012 Report Posted May 13, 2012 Many of the problems are caused by the division of us and them. When you tell hardworking people that they are a step below people born in Canada no matter how hard they work or how dedicated they are to Canada. Actually many of the problems are just flat out bullshit fabricated by xenophobic tards looking for some other group to use a scapegoat for everything wrong. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Smallc Posted May 13, 2012 Report Posted May 13, 2012 Actually many of the problems are just flat out bullshit fabricated by xenophobic tards looking for some other group to use a scapegoat for everything wrong. Like Quote
Argus Posted May 13, 2012 Report Posted May 13, 2012 (edited) double post Edited May 13, 2012 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted May 13, 2012 Report Posted May 13, 2012 (edited) Ah yes.. Only ethnic European's who speak english fit your criteria of immigration...Non-english Europeans follow after that... "The Big Giant Head has spoken!!" Nothing ethnocentric/xenophobic about that... It's called logic. I seem to recall I asked you to dispute the logic of my suggestion we bring in people who are more technologically, socially and linguistically compatible with our culture. I believe you scurried away without a reply. Care to make one now, Come on. Gift us with the well-thought out positions we've come to expect from The Big Giant Ass. Edited May 13, 2012 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted May 13, 2012 Report Posted May 13, 2012 Many of the problems are caused by the division of us and them. When you tell hardworking people that they are a step below people born in Canada no matter how hard they work or how dedicated they are to Canada. The problem I have is not that they're 'below' people born in Canada. The problem I have is that, in many instances, and certainly given 'new Canadians' there's damn little 'Canadian' about them. Look, I might move to China tomorrow, and they might give me citizenship the next week, but that doesn't make me Chinese. I don't understand the language, much less the culture. What motivates me wouldn't motivate them and vice versa. I have a different value system and different cultural beliefs. Maybe if I live there for twenty or thirty years I might have a more innate understanding of what it means to be Chinese -- provided I didn't spend all my time in some sort of European enclave, but I certainly wouldn't be Chinese within a few years of getting off the plane. And no, when I see some of these immigrants walking along in their (to me) weird ethnic costumes, with very little ability to converse in English, I don't think of them as Canadian in any way, shape or form. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted May 13, 2012 Report Posted May 13, 2012 Not its not stupid at all. You were born in Canada if thats the case, delivered in a Canadian hospital by a Canadian doctor, and given a Canadian birth certificate. That is certainly the law today. That is a law which we need to change. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Guest Peeves Posted May 13, 2012 Report Posted May 13, 2012 (edited) here I thought this was a thread intended to discuss qualities/make-up defining Canadians... not just another anti-immigration/anti-refugee twirl around - go figure! I asked; "what is or defines a Canadian?" What follows is what is made of the question. You seem to want to turn the question elsewhere. For example, I do not consider a Canadian one that lives abroad, pays no tax and calls on their 'citizenship' as a matter of convenience. That to mje defines not a Canadian, but a poseur. I don't think a Canadian would leave our country to fight in Somalia or Afghanistan etc. especially against NATO forces.. Canadians and our allies. Edited May 13, 2012 by Peeves Quote
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