madmax Posted April 27, 2012 Report Posted April 27, 2012 (edited) Ouch.. this is a direct hit on Hudak. A byelection in 60 days... and I see this Conservative Seat changing hands... Edited April 27, 2012 by madmax Quote
Michael Hardner Posted April 27, 2012 Report Posted April 27, 2012 I'm impressed that McGuinty could be on the winning side of something like this. A very Liberal move... Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
Jack Weber Posted April 27, 2012 Report Posted April 27, 2012 She's from the Kitchener area,right? Kinda safe Tory Country... I'm a little disconcerted that a well known Tory is going to work for the regulatory body that "looks after" injured workers... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
madmax Posted April 27, 2012 Author Report Posted April 27, 2012 She's from the Kitchener area,right? Kinda safe Tory Country... I don't think its safe at all...The Liberals nearly won it in 2003 and they will put in everything including the Kitchen Sink to gain that one seat back. They need one seat to get back a Majority (if the speaker is required to vote) I'm a little disconcerted that a well known Tory is going to work for the regulatory body that "looks after" injured workers... WSIB changed a long long long long long time ago. Its run like insurance now..... She will fit right in. It doesn't look after injured workers... its not compensation. Quote
madmax Posted April 27, 2012 Author Report Posted April 27, 2012 I'm impressed that McGuinty could be on the winning side of something like this. A very Liberal move... Aye, it is clever.... Quote
nittanylionstorm07 Posted April 27, 2012 Report Posted April 27, 2012 Let's not forget the opinion polls in Ontario show a PC lead... closely followed by the NDP... and the Liberals are trailing well behind both in third. Quote
Newfoundlander Posted April 27, 2012 Report Posted April 27, 2012 (edited) I guess he couldn't get her to resign before the budget vote. Let's not forget the opinion polls in Ontario show a PC lead... closely followed by the NDP... and the Liberals are trailing well behind both in third. Well behind in third? The two polls that showed them in third, a Nanos had them in first, had them behind the NDP by 3 points, within the MOE. The most recent Forum poll had 6 points separating the three parties. The Liberals are supposedly the most ready for an election, and many wanted one according to an article the other day. Edited April 27, 2012 by Newfoundlander Quote
Topaz Posted April 28, 2012 Report Posted April 28, 2012 Anything is possible in politics but th PC have to get rid of Hudak. http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/politics/article/1169520--mpp-elizabeth-witmer-leaves-tories-for-wsib-post?bn=1 Quote
Boges Posted April 28, 2012 Report Posted April 28, 2012 Liz Witmer won that riding by 4,000+ votes and McGuinty is very popular in Southwestern Ontario right now because of OLG policy. Quote
MiddleClassCentrist Posted April 29, 2012 Report Posted April 29, 2012 (edited) She's from the Kitchener area,right? Kinda safe Tory Country... I'm a little disconcerted that a well known Tory is going to work for the regulatory body that "looks after" injured workers... THe WSIB doesn't really look after workers. It prevents workers and families of workers from being able to sue the company for gross incompetence and negligence causing harm. That is really all the WSIB is for. Been warned 10 times to put a safety mechanism on the machinery? Machinery starts killing a teenage worker? NO PROBLEM. WSIB has got your back negligent employer. The family gets compensation from the WSIB and the Employer gets no penalty. Edited April 29, 2012 by MiddleClassCentrist Quote Ideology does not make good policy. Good policy comes from an analysis of options, comparison of options and selection of one option that works best in the current situation. This option is often a compromise between ideologies.
Guest Peeves Posted April 29, 2012 Report Posted April 29, 2012 THe WSIB doesn't really look after workers. It prevents workers and families of workers from being able to sue the company for gross incompetence and negligence causing harm. That is really all the WSIB is for. Been warned 10 times to put a safety mechanism on the machinery? Machinery starts killing a teenage worker? NO PROBLEM. WSIB has got your back negligent employer. The family gets compensation from the WSIB and the Employer gets no penalty. Let me say , as a party that has worked with the WSIB for 0ver 20 years that you need to educate yourself on the REAL workings of the board. " The WSIB is an agency of the Ontario government that provides disability benefits, monitors the quality of health care and assists in early, safe return to work for workers injured on the job, or who contract an occupational disease. It is entirely funded by employer premiums. I knew Witmer years ago when she worked on WCB matter under the Harris government. I attended quite a few meetings with her then in around 1995, (she was appointed Minister of Labour in the government of Mike Harris. In October 1997, she was promoted to the key portfolio of Minister of Health, replacing the more confrontational Jim Wilson." I was in attendance with several WCB executives over many years. I expect she'll do a great job there. Quote
MiddleClassCentrist Posted May 2, 2012 Report Posted May 2, 2012 Let me say , as a party that has worked with the WSIB for 0ver 20 years that you need to educate yourself on the REAL workings of the board. " Yeah, it allows employers to risk employee's lives because the employer won't have to pay the full expense or lose their business... just insurance premiums. You could say that they look after employees AFTER the incident, but they enable employers to ignore safety concerns. So many cases where the company should have been held criminally negligent, having received notice after notice that a machine was unsafe. A worker is then killed or injured and the company/owner receives little to no penalty. Quote Ideology does not make good policy. Good policy comes from an analysis of options, comparison of options and selection of one option that works best in the current situation. This option is often a compromise between ideologies.
Argus Posted May 5, 2012 Report Posted May 5, 2012 I'm impressed that McGuinty could be on the winning side of something like this. A very Liberal move... I'm impressed by the quality of his spin doctors and media analysts that he has a prayer of winning any sort of election. I'm not impressed by the sub-literate cretins who troop out to vote Liberal while the Liberals run their province into the ground. Think about this. Next year, entirely due to McGuinty's goofy green energy program, Ontario's energy costs will become the most expensive in North America. That's a job killer for any kind of industry that uses a lot of power. California is considered, in the U.S., to be an economic basket case because of it's high debt and deficits. Ontario's population and economy are one third the size of California but Ontario has higher debt levels. That debt has doubled under McGuinty. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Newfoundlander Posted May 5, 2012 Report Posted May 5, 2012 So it's rumored some more PCs and some New Democrates might step down now too. Quote
capricorn Posted May 5, 2012 Report Posted May 5, 2012 So it's rumored some more PCs and some New Democrates might step down now too. I would prefer that McGuinty have a majority so that the full impact of Ontario's economic decline be placed squarely on his and the Ontario Liberals shoulders. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
Newfoundlander Posted May 5, 2012 Report Posted May 5, 2012 I would prefer that McGuinty have a majority so that the full impact of Ontario's economic decline be placed squarely on his and the Ontario Liberals shoulders. Hopefully he'll continue to screw up and the economy will get worse so the NDP can form government huh? While he might not be doing a great job governing a majority government would be much more stable. One of the reason given for downgrading the province's credit rating was the minority government. Quote
capricorn Posted May 5, 2012 Report Posted May 5, 2012 Hopefully he'll continue to screw up and the economy will get worse so the NDP can form government huh? If it came to that, then we could discuss which of the two parties, Liberal or NDP, is more socialist in nature. While he might not be doing a great job governing a majority government would be much more stable. One of the reason given for downgrading the province's credit rating was the minority government. Actually, blaming the downgrade on the minority government is a manufactured excuse by the McGuinty. Just minutes before suggesting he wasn't motivated by a desire for a majority, McGuinty said Ontario's credit rating was downgraded last week in part because of concerns the province has a minority government."The common refrain was: these guys have a minority government and there are risks associated with their capacity to deliver on an ambitious (budget) plan," he said. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/story/2012/05/01/toronto-ontario-dalton-mcguinty-byelection.html What a liar. In fact, the downgrade is a result of McGuinty's incompetence in reigning in the province's debt. In its decision to downgrade Ontario, Moody’s noted the province’s subdued growth outlook and ambitious expenditure targets pose risks to the government’s plan to return to balanced budgets. Indeed, Ontario’s economic prospects in the coming years are weak and fiscal pressures on its health system are rising as the population ages. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/moodys-downgrades-ontario-credit-rating/article2415219/ Moody’s said the government's targets for reining in spending appear "particularly ambitious" and there is a risk the province will not get rid of its $15-billion deficit as scheduled, five years from now.“The downgrade of Ontario's rating reflects the growing debt burden and the risks surrounding the province achieving its medium-term fiscal plan given the subdued growth outlook, extended timeframe back to balance and ambitious expenditure targets,” said Jennifer Wong, the lead analyst for Ontario and an assistant vice-president at Moody’s. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/story/2012/04/26/toronto-ontario-deficit.html Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
bleeding heart Posted May 5, 2012 Report Posted May 5, 2012 Actually, blaming the downgrade on the minority government is a manufactured excuse by the McGuinty. I think you're right. As much as Liberal supporters wish to blame the NDP for all their party's ills (since they are much more aligned with the Conservatives in most respects, if arguably less competent), folks like McGuinty are someday going to have to take some blame for their predicaments. Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
madmax Posted May 7, 2012 Author Report Posted May 7, 2012 I think you're right. As much as Liberal supporters wish to blame the NDP for all their party's ills (since they are much more aligned with the Conservatives in most respects, if arguably less competent), folks like McGuinty are someday going to have to take some blame for their predicaments. No doubt. The Liberals kept all their pet projects going and all their insiders will continue to be lined up for their handouts. I figure Witmer had enough of Witless and it was time to move on, so no surprise the Liberals were there for her with a handout. It ironic that the Liberals would blame the NDP for their credit rating. 1) Credit ratings are based on "Opinion" as evidenced by Credit Rating Agencies, who had to testify regarding the 2008 collapse of Lehmans. Even more worrisome is that credit ratings could be "purchased" with enough grease. So the agencies had already had it in for McGuinty. He is not doing as they required. But the NDP actually got him more monies to pay down the debt. So, he would be worse off without NDP proposal. Quote
scarboroughdave Posted May 11, 2012 Report Posted May 11, 2012 McGuilty and Co. bought her out, now Hudak is in deep trouble and can expect to lose the seat. With his backbench MPP's making stupid comments both inside and outside the Ontario Legislature, it's just a matter of time before the Ontario Conservatives are reduced to third party status now the Liberals are expected to return to majority territory. His wing nut far right tea party evangelical back benchers will be the death of the PC's in Ontario. "Squeeze Baby" music video featuring the performance of Chatham-Kent-Essex PC MPP Rick Nicholls... Quote
Jack Weber Posted May 12, 2012 Report Posted May 12, 2012 (edited) McGuilty and Co. bought her out, now Hudak is in deep trouble and can expect to lose the seat. With his backbench MPP's making stupid comments both inside and outside the Ontario Legislature, it's just a matter of time before the Ontario Conservatives are reduced to third party status now the Liberals are expected to return to majority territory. His wing nut far right tea party evangelical back benchers will be the death of the PC's in Ontario. "Squeeze Baby" music video featuring the performance of Chatham-Kent-Essex PC MPP Rick Nicholls... I'm no fan of "Wine Tasting Tim",however,I don't see him losing his seat.I live in Niagara-West Glanbrook...Let's just say,it's a fairly rural riding and the simple messaging the Tory's use is very effective here... Now,if you're talking about the likes of Randy Hillier directing the party at some later date,then I agree,the PC party is DOA... Edited May 12, 2012 by Jack Weber Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
madmax Posted May 13, 2012 Author Report Posted May 13, 2012 I'm no fan of "Wine Tasting Tim",however,I don't see him losing his seat.I live in Niagara-West Glanbrook...Let's just say,it's a fairly rural riding and the simple messaging the Tory's use is very effective here... Its an absurd comment to think Tim would lose his seat... he may lose the leadership of the PCs.. he may lose another election.... but it suggesting he is going to lose his seat based on his current underperforming track record is a stretch... Quote
capricorn Posted May 13, 2012 Report Posted May 13, 2012 he may lose the leadership of the PCs.. he may lose another election.... It's a given that if he loses the next election, he's out as leader. I'd like to see Christine Elliott take a crack at it. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
madmax Posted May 13, 2012 Author Report Posted May 13, 2012 It's a given that if he loses the next election, he's out as leader. I'd like to see Christine Elliott take a crack at it. She was too weak against the HST when her hubby was pushing for it.... I think that conflict had alot to do with her not being taken seriously enough. That said,, I think Flaherty tried Twice and her once... so thats 3 strikes from one family, but perhaps the game is American Football and 4 downs... Quote
madmax Posted May 23, 2012 Author Report Posted May 23, 2012 Figured this is the best place for this for now.. Forum Research survey, May 14 2012: PC - 34% NDP - 32% Liberal - 27% Green - 5% Quote
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