punked Posted April 22, 2012 Report Posted April 22, 2012 Paid by you. Think of it as an optional tax, but one you can get some back from. In the end all this money comes from taxpayers and people who are forced to purchase insurance, who are taxpayers. If the tree farmer thing is the only thing available, then take the job. THAT IS NOT HOW IT SHOULD WORK. If I am a computer programmer and there is no posting for computer programmer this week and I am forced to take a job cutting trees what happens is you get skilled workers trapped in these jobs. Who is to say their wont be a job in my field next week? EI has an end date let these people look for work in their field. So we have the right people in the right jobs. Quote
eyeball Posted April 22, 2012 Report Posted April 22, 2012 THAT IS NOT HOW IT SHOULD WORK. If I am a computer programmer and there is no posting for computer programmer this week and I am forced to take a job cutting trees what happens is you get skilled workers trapped in these jobs. Who is to say their wont be a job in my field next week? EI has an end date let these people look for work in their field. So we have the right people in the right jobs. EI also states you do not have to accept a job that pays a lower wage than the one you had. They do tell employees in seasonal jobs to relocate but not the employers, instead they get a special government program to help them so they can stay where they are. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Army Guy Posted April 22, 2012 Report Posted April 22, 2012 So let me get this straight, because you couldn't engage in insurance fraud, you think there's a problem with EI? How is it insurance fraud, rather all governmental emplyees pay into EI, and will never get to draw it unless they get a new job and work the required weeks then and only then you can draw it. so EI may be a type of insurence to some but to others if your eligable for a pension you can not draw it...turning it more into another tax. But say a lobster fishermen, making say 150 to 200 k a season can work maybe 6 months then sit home and collect Max EI that sounds fair to you. And while i will be on government pension when i retire , it will proably won't add up to what some makeing MAX EI, for only working 6 months and that is not a problem.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
TimG Posted April 22, 2012 Report Posted April 22, 2012 I am forced to take a job cutting trees what happens is you get skilled workers trapped in these jobs.Nothing stops said computer programmer from quitting the tree cutting job as soon as a better offer comes along. The only people who get "trapped" in such jobs are people who refuse to relocate. Computer programming is a odd field - the work can technically be done from anywhere but if you don't want to live in a big center like Toronto then your prospects are pretty grim unless you already have contacts in big centers. Quote
TimG Posted April 22, 2012 Report Posted April 22, 2012 EI also states you do not have to accept a job that pays a lower wage than the one you had.So? Why do to think employees are entitled to salaries that only go up over time?They do tell employees in seasonal jobs to relocate but not the employers, instead they get a special government program to help them so they can stay where they are.Governments should not be bribing companies to keep offices open in specific locations. Quote
eyeball Posted April 22, 2012 Report Posted April 22, 2012 (edited) But say a lobster fishermen, making say 150 to 200 k a season can work maybe 6 months then sit home and collect Max EI that sounds fair to you. No, and that's why he would pay it back once his income started hitting 45 k or thereabouts. So now lets say an employer can't make enough in a 6 month season to survive, shouldn't they be cut off and have to move to where the work is like anyone else? Edited April 22, 2012 by eyeball Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted April 22, 2012 Report Posted April 22, 2012 (edited) So? Why do to think employees are entitled to salaries that only go up over time? I don't think that, I do however think Canadians are entitled to a government that doesn't encourage that we all race to the bottom. Governments should not be bribing companies to keep offices open in specific locations. The government should be treating everyone the same way for the same reasons. What about when the employers and employees location is specific to the work they do? Edited April 22, 2012 by eyeball Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
cybercoma Posted April 22, 2012 Report Posted April 22, 2012 How is it insurance fraud, rather all governmental emplyees pay into EI, and will never get to draw it unless they get a new job and work the required weeks then and only then you can draw it. so EI may be a type of insurence to some but to others if your eligable for a pension you can not draw it...turning it more into another tax. This is just silly. If you sell your car and decided to only use public transit from then on, your insurance is not all of a sudden a tax. Quote
cybercoma Posted April 22, 2012 Report Posted April 22, 2012 Nothing stops said computer programmer from quitting the tree cutting job as soon as a better offer comes along. Except you know the 12+ hour days and backbreaking labour. I'm sure they have all the time in the world after that to go hunting for other jobs. Not to mention take time off for interviews if they find one. Quote
The_Squid Posted April 22, 2012 Report Posted April 22, 2012 How is it insurance fraud, rather all governmental emplyees pay into EI, and will never get to draw it unless they get a new job and work the required weeks then and only then you can draw it. so EI may be a type of insurence to some but to others if your eligable for a pension you can not draw it...turning it more into another tax. It is insurance. But if you had a job and don't need it, that doesn't make it a tax. Be thankful that you weren't unemployed! That's like saying car insurance was a tax because you never needed to use it. Be glad you didn't crash! But say a lobster fishermen, making say 150 to 200 k a season can work maybe 6 months then sit home and collect Max EI that sounds fair to you. And while i will be on government pension when i retire , it will proably won't add up to what some makeing MAX EI, for only working 6 months and that is not a problem.... If a lobster fisherman make $200k they will not be eligible for EI. If they are then the gov't should be making changesto the system. Quote
Army Guy Posted April 23, 2012 Report Posted April 23, 2012 It is insurance. But if you had a job and don't need it, that doesn't make it a tax. Be thankful that you weren't unemployed!That's like saying car insurance was a tax because you never needed to use it. Be glad you didn't crash! How is it insurance, if you can never collect it, because you would be getting a pension regardless of size...So if i can not collect how does paying into EI bennifit me. or for that matter any government employee, say like those government employees getting their pink slips this year. Yes i'm thankful i'm not unemployed...but then again i chose the profesion , and could have changed anytime...the same choses available to every Canadian.... If a lobster fisherman make $200k they will not be eligible for EI. If they are then the gov't should be making changesto the system. My sisters husband is a Lobster fishermen in NB, seasonal because he choses to not fish...made roughly 220 k in wages last year and then collected EI during his off time... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
madmax Posted April 23, 2012 Report Posted April 23, 2012 My sisters husband is a Lobster fishermen in NB, seasonal because he choses to not fish...made roughly 220 k in wages last year and then collected EI during his off time... Unless your Sisters Husband is engaging in FRAUD, he will be required to pay back all EI if he is making 220k in Wages. Quote
madmax Posted April 23, 2012 Report Posted April 23, 2012 Yes i'm thankful i'm not unemployed...but then again i chose the profesion , and could have changed anytime...the same choses available to every Canadian.... My friends who were unemployed joined the reserves. Of course that is part time. It allowed them to make a little extra cash..sometimes they had to pay that back. When a few went to Afghanistan a couple years back, they had to pay back a large portion of the EI collected earlier in the year. Quote
Army Guy Posted April 23, 2012 Report Posted April 23, 2012 Unless your Sisters Husband is engaging in FRAUD, he will be required to pay back all EI if he is making 220k in Wages Well if he is i'd say most of the town is, infact lobster fishing pays out big returns, you have to be a pretty shity fisher men to earn under a 100 k in a season, and mid winter they are all going to the post office to collect their checks...what is the cut of for EI. Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
cybercoma Posted April 23, 2012 Report Posted April 23, 2012 Well if he is i'd say most of the town is, infact lobster fishing pays out big returns, you have to be a pretty shity fisher men to earn under a 100 k in a season, and mid winter they are all going to the post office to collect their checks...what is the cut of for EI. So you're assuming they're all making big coin, when in fact they're not. Those that work in the fisheries have a particular set of guidelines they have to follow for collecting EI. However, they can sell their stock under the table, then turn around and claim EI. I'm sure there are some that do this and it's fraud. I doubt everyone's that dishonest though. Quote
madmax Posted April 23, 2012 Report Posted April 23, 2012 Well if he is i'd say most of the town is, infact lobster fishing pays out big returns, you have to be a pretty shity fisher men to earn under a 100 k in a season, and mid winter they are all going to the post office to collect their checks...what is the cut of for EI. EI is NOT standard across the Country. So there are many answers to your question. General rule is ... if you collect $400 in EI in one week you can legally earn $100. You MUST pay taxes on the WHOLE $500. The MAXIMUM anyone can collect is $485 per week which works out to a wage around $45000 as the ceiling ... so if you earn $60,000 and lose your job you only qualify for $485. If you earn roughly over 45000, you will have to pay back EI. EI can last anywheres from 15weeks to 45 weeks. There are few regions that support 45 weeks and ironically i have seen people out of work living across the street from one another and one was eligible for 32weeks and the other for 40 weeks even though both had worked at the same place for 30 years together. There is a reason why EI is a HUGE MONEY MAKER for the government.... Quote
PIK Posted April 23, 2012 Report Posted April 23, 2012 After reading just a few posts, punked is the perfect example what is wrong in the country, the entitled people need a good kick in the ass. We need to roll up the sleeves in this country and get back to work. I see unemployed youth bumming on the streets in the fall while the apple orchard outside of town is bringing in migrant workers, as is the large vegetable producer, white kids will not break a sweat. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
eyeball Posted April 23, 2012 Report Posted April 23, 2012 (edited) I see unemployed youth bumming on the streets in the fall while the apple orchard outside of town is bringing in migrant workers, as is the large vegetable producer, white kids will not break a sweat. I see the government providing welfare to profitable employers in the form of cheaper labour from other countries, while locals are sneered at for not suffering this gladly. Edited April 23, 2012 by eyeball Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
madmax Posted April 23, 2012 Report Posted April 23, 2012 I see unemployed youth bumming on the streets..... Conservative Solution: ELIMINATE YOUTH EMPLOYMENT CENTRES http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/sudbury/story/2012/04/11/sby-youth-employment-cuts.html Quote
cybercoma Posted April 23, 2012 Report Posted April 23, 2012 Conservative Solution: ELIMINATE YOUTH EMPLOYMENT CENTRES http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/sudbury/story/2012/04/11/sby-youth-employment-cuts.html Partisans like PIK don't let facts like that get in the way of ideology. Quote
The_Squid Posted April 23, 2012 Report Posted April 23, 2012 How is it insurance, if you can never collect it, because you would be getting a pension regardless of size...So if i can not collect how does paying into EI bennifit me. If you ever did get layed off you could collect EI. THat's how an insurance program works! If you crashed your car, you collect insurance. Just because you never collected, doesn't mean you didn't benefit. You benefited by having that security just in case... Quote
fellowtraveller Posted April 23, 2012 Report Posted April 23, 2012 (edited) Conservative Solution: the Klein conservative solution was to make very simple rules for welfare eligibility: if you are single and employable, get a job because you will not get welfare. Period. It cut the unemployed youth bumming on the street drastically, because they inevitably get hungry enough to work . Edited April 23, 2012 by fellowtraveller Quote The government should do something.
Boges Posted April 23, 2012 Author Report Posted April 23, 2012 Conservative Solution: ELIMINATE YOUTH EMPLOYMENT CENTRES http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/sudbury/story/2012/04/11/sby-youth-employment-cuts.html That actually seems like a redundant service since, at least here in Ontario, there are employment centres that help people find work funded by the Province. Quote
The_Squid Posted April 23, 2012 Report Posted April 23, 2012 the Klein conservative solution was to make very simple rules for welfare eligibility: if you are single and employable, get a job because you will not get welfare. Period. It cut the unemployed youth bumming on the street drastically, because they inevitably get hungry enough to work . Not true.... it was simply a shift of burdens from Alberta to B.C. Alberta also gave free one-way bus tickets out of the Province. Again, all that did was shift the burden to other parts of Canada. Klein didn't "solve" anything whatsoever. Quote
punked Posted April 23, 2012 Report Posted April 23, 2012 After reading just a few posts, punked is the perfect example what is wrong in the country, the entitled people need a good kick in the ass. We need to roll up the sleeves in this country and get back to work. I see unemployed youth bumming on the streets in the fall while the apple orchard outside of town is bringing in migrant workers, as is the large vegetable producer, white kids will not break a sweat. Again those Youths you see on the street aren't getting EI. EI is only for those who have paid into it and end up out of a job. It is to hold you over until you can find equivalent work. You think EI and welfare are the same thing which is typical of your type. News Flash they aren't. Quote
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