Kenney says you can't get EI if you turndown work.

[Guest Peeves]

In the examples given, you have areas of high unemployment where people are turning down work and employers have to hire abroad. That practice should stop.

Right. I'm sure it will be applied sensibly and for those abusing the opportunity to draw benefits when there is work available. E.I. is supported by workers and it's those working that should be most upset by the abuse.

Of course socialists object since 'they think' (or don't),that the government is the one that benefits from clamping down on lay abouts.

Obviously if there's available work then take it or suffer the consequences.

It's worker's money, not governments money. The government should be protecting the public purse with

practical oversight.

[punked]

EI also distributes wealth around too!

WWWTT

But it doesn't. Only people who work and pay into ever get anything out of it. Most people who claim EI at some point in their life end up paying much more into then they take out. That is how we ended up with that 50 Billion dollar EI surplus the government stole from it. It is a program that worked so well it was over funded. There is no problem with EI, EI generates surpluses and the Conservatives upped our contribution to that program that generates surpluses so they to can take lots and lots of money out of it when we return to full employment at 6% in the next 3-4 years.

There is no reason to change the program unless you are looking to make it a tax. Which is what they are doing because their corporate tax cuts cost us to much and never generated cost to the 40 billion that we had in revenues before we got that tax cut.

Edited April 19, 2012 by punked

[WWWTT]

I believe the system we have now works very well.

Paul Martins restrictions during the 90's pretty much weeded out as many abusers as can be possible.

There will always be abusers in any field,but any further creative restrictions will hurt much more than help.

WWWTT

[punked]

Right. I'm sure it will be applied sensibly and for those abusing the opportunity to draw benefits when there is work available. E.I. is supported by workers and it's those working that should be most upset by the abuse.

Of course socialists object since 'they think' (or don't),that the government is the one that benefits from clamping down on lay abouts.

Obviously if there's available work then take it or suffer the consequences.

It's worker's money, not governments money. The government should be protecting the public purse with

practical oversight.

Most Conservatives thing any conservative on this board has said in a long long time. Thank you.

[WWWTT]

But it doesn't. Only people who work and pay into ever get anything out of it. Most people who claim EI at some point in their life end up paying much more into then they take out.

Yes but there are people who pay less into it than they recieve.

I agree with everything you are saying here,but when times are tuff EI helps!

WWWTT

[punked]

Yes but there are people who pay less into it than they recieve.

I agree with everything you are saying here,but when times are tuff EI helps!

WWWTT

With the EI formula you can really only cheat the system for a fews years. Than you go on welfare or you move onto a job in which you will pay more over your lifetime then you ever took out.

http://www.hrsdc.gc.ca/eng/employment/ei/reports/eimar_2009/chapter5_1.shtml

[madmax]

Right. I'm sure it will be applied sensibly and for those abusing the opportunity to draw benefits when there is work available. E.I. is supported by workers and it's those working that should be most upset by the abuse.

EI was Abused to the tune of $56Billion. $8 Billion diverted by the Conservatives.. $48 Billion by the Liberals.

Now its going to be abused again ... used as a tactic to mask over the Hundreds of thousands of Asian workers Harper wants to bring into the west and bring in more Temp Agencies with them.

Edited April 19, 2012 by madmax

[TimG]

EI was put in place so people would have time to look for jobs in their field.

And I am sure EI has systems in place to allow specialized professionals to provide evidence that they are trying to find work in their field. The changes being discussed here are for people with no special skills that are just collecting EI because it provides a better lifestyle than taking a job.

[punked]

And I am sure EI has systems in place to allow specialized professionals to provide evidence that they are trying to find work in their field. The changes being discussed here are for people with no special skills that are just collecting EI because it provides a better lifestyle than taking a job.

How do you determine special skills?

[TimG]

How do you determine special skills?

That is not too hard to do. Look at the help wanted ads to see what skills are listed as requirements for jobs. If no employer ever asks for your special skills then you do not have special skills relevant to employment. Edited April 19, 2012 by TimG

[punked]

That is not too hard to do. Look at the help wanted ads to see what skills are listed as requirements for jobs. If no employer ever asks for your special skills then you do not have special skills.

That us how our government will determine what special skills are? They are going to look in help wanted adds and make a list?

[TimG]

That us how our government will determine what special skills are?

They already keep track of such things. How do you think the 'skilled immigrant' program works? There is also a specific list of skills professions listed in NAFTA which can be used. Edited April 19, 2012 by TimG

[CPCFTW]

Yes EI is a group insurance with the majority paying much more into it than they ever get out. Of course, this is the way all group insurance works. However, in this case, citizens are forced to "buy" into the group insurance while some people game the system and drive up the costs. Obviously the government should try to keep costs down for employers and employees by reducing the incentive to take advantage of ei. If these proposed policies lead to an excessive ei surplus, then the obvious solution is to reduce ei deductions from employees/employers, not to make it easier for lazy people to get ei.

[madmax]

Yes EI is a group insurance with the majority paying much more into it than they ever get out. Of course, this is the way all group insurance works. However, in this case, citizens are forced to "buy" into the group insurance while some people game the system and drive up the costs. Obviously the government should try to keep costs down for employers and employees by reducing the incentive to take advantage of ei. If these proposed policies lead to an excessive ei surplus, then the obvious solution is to reduce ei deductions from employees/employers, not to make it easier for lazy people to get ei.

Other then your Ignorant comment regarding Lazy people on EI... I agree that those premiums should have been reduced or the monies retained for EI. The Conservatives BLEW the EI fund BEFORE the Economic Downturn.

The Conservatives are fiddling.

[punked]

They already keep track of such things. How do you think the 'skilled immigrant' program works? There is also a specific list of skills professions listed in NAFTA which can be used.

So only people with the skills on the skilled immigrant list are allowed to get EI now?

[madmax]

So only people with the skills on the skilled immigrant list are allowed to get EI now?

LMAO

The Cons want it both ways....

I heard Kenney talk about kids and jobs and higher unemployment (ironically few teenagers pay into EI and collect)

and yet here is what happens when we have poor government choices.

April 2, 2012

Federal government cuts student employment centres

Edited April 19, 2012 by madmax

[punked]

LMAO

The Cons want it both ways....

I heard Kenney talk about kids and jobs and higher unemployment (ironically few teenagers pay into EI and collect)

and yet here is what happens when we have poor government choices.

April 2, 2012

Federal government cuts student employment centres

See when these ideas are all pie in the sky they sound great. Conservatives for years have said "People should be able to cheat the EI system" as if people have been disagreeing them. We haven't we have been saying what do you do to fix it with out hurting those who actually should get EI?

[TimG]

So only people with the skills on the skilled immigrant list are allowed to get EI now?

Only if they refuse to take jobs which they are qualified to do.

[punked]

Only if they refuse to take jobs which they are qualified to do.

So you are saying a Computer programmer will end up with no EI and cutting Christmas trees instead?

[TimG]

So you are saying a Computer programmer will end up with no EI and cutting Christmas trees instead?

Yes, if this computer programmmer cannot provide evidence that they are applying for computer programmming jobs. The distinction between skilled and non-skilled work is well established. You are wasting time trying to conflate the two. Edited April 19, 2012 by TimG

[punked]

Yes, if this computer programmmer cannot provide evidence that they are applying for computer programmming jobs. The distinction between skilled and non-skilled work is well established. You are wasting time trying to conflate the two.

So now they will create a whole new system in the government that pays people to check who is applying for what job? Sounds like some big government mumojumbo to me.

[TimG]

So now they will create a whole new system in the government that pays people to check who is applying for what job? Sounds like some big government mumojumbo to me.

The onus will be on the people who want to keep collecting EI to provide evidence. In any case, the "we should just give money away because it is a pain to track freeloaders" argument is not that compelling. Edited April 19, 2012 by TimG

[The_Squid]

I never had an issue working as a farm labourer while I was having trouble finding work in my profession...

A computer programmer who feels entitled to EI because they don't want to get their hands dirty sounds a bit snooty. EI is an insurance program for those who can't find any work....

[TimG]

A computer programmer who feels entitled to EI because they don't want to get their hands dirty sounds a bit snooty. EI is an insurance program for those who can't find any work....

For most skilled jobs the money you collect with EI is peanuts and it is all clawed back once you start working again.

[Topaz]

I say, that since the government is doing many changes which most people Don't like, how about changing EI, give people choice to pay into or opt out. Besides, if the government were doing a better job on the economy, Canadians wouldn't have to go in EI.