In-and-Out Investigation Cost Canadians over $2.3 million

bleeding heart · April 10, 2012

So when will the Liberal Party pay back the millions they stole from the taxpayers?

So...you're in agreement that both these corrupt and anti-democratic parties should pay Canadians back?

madmax · April 10, 2012

Kinda funny to read the Conservative Apoligists.. If I didn't know better I would think the Liberals were still in power.

So far... I can see why the Cons were so frustrated by Liberals ducking for so many years.

But now its the Cons ripping us off and lieing.... so its ok now.

Its ok as long as its the Cons acting crooked.

Ever since Mulroney.. corrupt government practices have been the norm.

Mulroney Government and Harper Government not much difference.

Signals.Cpl · April 10, 2012

Kinda funny to read the Conservative Apoligists.. If I didn't know better I would think the Liberals were still in power.

So far... I can see why the Cons were so frustrated by Liberals ducking for so many years.

But now its the Cons ripping us off and lieing.... so its ok now.

Its ok as long as its the Cons acting crooked.

Ever since Mulroney.. corrupt government practices have been the norm.

Mulroney Government and Harper Government not much difference.

Could be worse, the NDP could be in power.

PIK · April 10, 2012

All the cons did was agree to diagree. It was a waste of money, but the liberal/EC would not let go. Just like the so called raid on the con HQ and the CBC was the 1st to arrive. And lets not forget the EC giving the failed lib candidates more time over and over to pay thier bills from the the leadership race, where the cons would not have gotten the same treatment.I would like to know if some still owe money. The EC is as corrupt as the liberal party itself. It is a joke.

Topaz · April 10, 2012

All the cons did was agree to diagree. It was a waste of money, but the liberal/EC would not let go. Just like the so called raid on the con HQ and the CBC was the 1st to arrive. And lets not forget the EC giving the failed lib candidates more time over and over to pay thier bills from the the leadership race, where the cons would not have gotten the same treatment.I would like to know if some still owe money. The EC is as corrupt as the liberal party itself. It is a joke.

I advise you to watch the committee hearing with the head of EC. He has said over and over there needs to be changes but he has to be done with Parliament. So don't go running down EC, they rule within the rules. Now, my view of those hearings, was the Tories line of questions was to more or less go after why is natural to make mistakes and that the lists aren't up to date. It was like they were defending themselves, while the other parties asked questions about ridings, penalty if found guilty and saying there was calls made using EC name.

Shady · April 10, 2012

Kinda funny to read the Conservative Apoligists

I'm not an apologist. Most of us aren't. We're just tired of the same song and dance every single day. I say, shit or get off the pot already. Let's see some actual evidence of these manufactured improprieties, or STFU. :rolleyes:

cybercoma · April 10, 2012

We're just tired of the same song and dance every single day.

That's hilarious coming from you.

Jack Weber · April 10, 2012

That's hilarious coming from you.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Shady · April 10, 2012

That's hilarious coming from you.

Like I said. Shit or get off the pot.

waldo · April 10, 2012

I say, shit or get off the pot already. Let's see some actual evidence of these manufactured improprieties, or STFU.
Like I said. Shit or get off the pot.

Please post according to forum rules. It would be a shame if you were suspended.

Jack Weber · April 10, 2012

Now that's what I call "professorial"!!!

cybercoma · April 10, 2012

Like I said. Shit or get off the pot.

They plead guilty. I'm not sure how much more evidence you need other than a guilty verdict in a case.

Shady · April 10, 2012

They plead guilty. I'm not sure how much more evidence you need other than a guilty verdict in a case.

Yes, and they paid the appropriate fines according to the law. Or is it a pound of flesh you're looking for? :rolleyes:

MACKER · April 11, 2012

It cost taxpayers more than $2.3 million to investigate the Conservatives fraudulent activities. Since this investigation resulted in a guilty plea, should the Conservative Party of Canada be required to pay back the Canadian taxpayers the cost of investigating their criminal activities?

No they should be disbanded and have all their assets remitted to the taxpayers.

Lets fight crime starting with the Organized Crime Syndicate ccalled the conservative party of Canada.

It is madness to let a party that clearly has violated election law with blatnat disregard, and a subsequent attempt to politically bypass issues of criminal and administrative to continue to exist.

it should be put to a grave, and taxpayers recover what it can of the money illegally obtained by the organization through fraud and other questionable practices.

The real trick is recovery of the billions of embezzled tax dollars that went to conservative slush funds.

Edited April 11, 2012 by MACKER

Shady · April 11, 2012

No they should be disbanded

Just try it. Seriously. Go ahead, make my day.

Signals.Cpl · April 11, 2012

The real trick is recovery of the billions of embezzled tax dollars that went to conservative slush funds.

Source?

madmax · April 11, 2012

All the cons did was agree to diagree. .

GUILTY

madmax · April 11, 2012

I'm not an apologist. Most of us aren't. We're just tired of the same song and dance every single day. I say, shit or get off the pot already. Let's see some actual evidence of these manufactured improprieties, or STFU.

The In and Out is an admission of Guilt.

I realize your problem.. its the same problem the Chretien Liberals faced and many many of their supporters lived in the same land of denial that is now the comfy home of Conservative Lapdogs..

There is nothing wrong with wanting to clean up corruption, and illegal practices..kinda what the Reform Party used to campaign on.

But Harper Conservatives tend to follow the Mulroney, Chretien path..

Edited April 11, 2012 by madmax

madmax · April 11, 2012

Source?

The In and Out scheme was brilliant double dipping into the taxpayers pockets..

Riding Association Campaign receives $10,000 from Federal Party.

Riding Association Gives back 10,000 to Federal Party.. Federal Party Spends $10,000 as Election Expense

Come Election Expense time.. the Riding Association Campain lists the $10,000 as election Expense

Federal Party puts in 10,000 for Tax Credit

Provincial Riding Association puts in for 10,000 for Tax Credit.

Federal Party hides total election expenditures.. while double dipping

MACKER · April 11, 2012

Just try it. Seriously. Go ahead, make my day.

Sure.

Voters did it in 1991. I don't see it any different 2012.

Only this time its for being stupid and criminal not just stupid.

I'm only saying invalidate the ridings that were effected by the Robocalls and any member who was involved in in and out to be barred from public office, as is stipulated in the act for election fraud.

And to disband the party as is stipulated for a party accused of violating election law.

It is only the law. It is no different than asking the courts to sentence someone who premeditates murder and carrys it out then gets caught in the act. I don't think Dane law is all that is required here, I think we need to actually follow the law in regard to disbanding the party takings its ill gotten assets, and removing the people who aided and abetted the in and out scheme, in some cases publicly acknowledging as such.

The conservative party of Canada did not hide this fact after it was discovered only stating it wasn't illegal, but it was. Ignorance of the law, and i don't think that is the case here, should not be defence against repercussions of breaking the law. Otherwise every criminal who wasn't a lawyer would walk scot free and I don't think that is the way law is intended to function.

If the party wants tough on crime they should start with their own corrupt selves and save the rest of Canada from their illegitimacy and criminal endevours. People like Stephen Harper should be rotting in jail for fraud, and many many counts of fraud. Being a politician shouldn't exempt you from being subject to criminal law. They are crooks and liars.

Edited April 11, 2012 by MACKER

Shady · April 11, 2012

Voters did it in 1991. I don't see it any different 2012.

Voters voluntarily not voting for a particular party is a lot different than disbanding it. I'm glad to see you've come to your senses.

Signals.Cpl · April 12, 2012

The In and Out scheme was brilliant double dipping into the taxpayers pockets..

Riding Association Campaign receives $10,000 from Federal Party.

Riding Association Gives back 10,000 to Federal Party.. Federal Party Spends $10,000 as Election Expense

Come Election Expense time.. the Riding Association Campain lists the $10,000 as election Expense

Federal Party puts in 10,000 for Tax Credit

Provincial Riding Association puts in for 10,000 for Tax Credit.

Federal Party hides total election expenditures.. while double dipping

Source? Do you have a funny little thing called proof?

punked · April 12, 2012

Source? Do you have a funny little thing called proof?

That is what in and out was all about. Here go read for yourself.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2011/03/04/pol-in-out-payout.html

Signals.Cpl · April 12, 2012

That is what in and out was all about. Here go read for yourself.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2011/03/04/pol-in-out-payout.html

Thank You for the source but I was more interested in the evidence for this claim:

No they should be disbanded and have all their assets remitted to the taxpayers.

Lets fight crime starting with the Organized Crime Syndicate ccalled the conservative party of Canada.

It is madness to let a party that clearly has violated election law with blatnat disregard, and a subsequent attempt to politically bypass issues of criminal and administrative to continue to exist.

it should be put to a grave, and taxpayers recover what it can of the money illegally obtained by the organization through fraud and other questionable practices.

The real trick is recovery of the billions of embezzled tax dollars that went to conservative slush funds.

I figure if you are to post outrageous lies it should be in a fiction forum.

I am not defending the Conservatives, yes I do think that there is corruption, but I think the corruption you speak of is not concentrated in one party alone. To me every party big or small will have a certain degree of corruption, thats just part of politics as some people go in to politics for the money and power. Who ever thinks that the conservatives are the only corrupt organization in Ottawa I have some news for you, every other party does it and most likely when or if they are elected someone will air their dirty laundry as well.

It seems to me that many people who disagree with Harper are spitting on the rest of the country that voted in the Conservatives in a majority. Brigette DePape thought she knew better then 5.8 million Canadians who voted for the Conservatives. I think what the nation needs to realize is that for better or for worse the Conservatives are a majority government and thus we need to work with that in mind to see if we can use our democratically elected officials for the betterment of the nations as a whole rather then try to destroy ourselves from within.

We need to end corruption in both our elected government officials and unelected government employees but focusing on one party and making everything a big scandal wether there is any merit to the charge or not just means that at some point in the future when someone might find an actual game changer they will not be taken seriously due to the many times that the opponents of the conservatives cried wolf.

MACKER · April 12, 2012

thats just part of politics

moral sellout

as some people go in to politics for the money and power.

supporter of corrupt politicians

It seems to me that many people who disagree with Harper are spitting on the rest of the country

Stephen Harper is not Canada, he is a person who gained his position through repeated electoral frauds.

We need to end corruption in both our elected government officials

You don't get that being an apologist as in the first half of your post.

making everything a big scandal

You don't need to make anything when it is already that.

in the future when someone might find an actual game changer they will not be taken seriously due to the many times that the opponents of the conservatives cried wolf.

If you don't scoop the scum off the top it just builds clouding the view. That is exactly why the criminal and corrupt parties such as the Conservative Party of Canada need to be removed, so that good politicians have room and aren't drowned out and oppressed and disfranchised by the corrupt. It is only being pervasive in destroying a moral social fabric within Canada.

Edited April 12, 2012 by MACKER