Black Dog Posted March 27, 2012 Report Share Posted March 27, 2012 A real woman is a woman that was born a female and who hasn't surgically altered their appearance to resemble a man What about if she was altered to resemble, say, a lion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stopstaaron Posted March 27, 2012 Report Share Posted March 27, 2012 What about if she was altered to resemble, say, a lion? Ugh, I don't know what to say to that other than some neurons in her brain must have misfired Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Dog Posted March 27, 2012 Report Share Posted March 27, 2012 Ugh, I don't know what to say to that other than some neurons in her brain must have misfired What about hermaphrodites? What about a woman who resembles a man, but hasn't had surgery? Are we to conclude that your narrow definition of real woman is basically Barbie? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stopstaaron Posted March 27, 2012 Report Share Posted March 27, 2012 What about hermaphrodites? What about a woman who resembles a man, but hasn't had surgery? Are we to conclude that your narrow definition of real woman is basically Barbie? Hermaphrodites as I understand were born with both male & female reproductive organs. You can't exactly call them a natural woman or a natural man. A woman who resembles a man but hasn't had surgery is still a real woman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Dog Posted March 27, 2012 Report Share Posted March 27, 2012 Hermaphrodites as I understand were born with both male & female reproductive organs. You can't exactly call them a natural woman or a natural man. A woman who resembles a man but hasn't had surgery is still a real woman All I can say is you really need to do some learning on the difference between sex and gender. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonam Posted March 27, 2012 Report Share Posted March 27, 2012 I see you're another one of those benighted dopes who doesn't understand the difference between sex and gender. All I can say is you really need to do some learning on the difference between sex and gender. Care to enlighten us? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stopstaaron Posted March 27, 2012 Report Share Posted March 27, 2012 (edited) All I can say is you really need to do some learning on the difference between sex and gender. Is that all you have? rofl, okay, even the most liberal Canadian news site CBC commenters are against thus person being in the pageant.. and these people are as liberal in Canada as it gets http://www.cbc.ca/news/arts/story/2012/03/26/bc-transgender-miss-universe.html The top comment Give me a break here. This girl was born as a guy! He had parts reassigned by surgery. That does not make him into a girl! If there is going to be a Miss anything Beauty Pageant, then only REAL girls should be allowed to enter! Just my humble opinion. Cheers ... Dart 890 thumbs up, 474 thumbs down Edited March 27, 2012 by stopstaaron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stopstaaron Posted March 27, 2012 Report Share Posted March 27, 2012 Black Dog, I think you're trying to be a hardcore leftist just because you thought this is how leftists have to think. You don't want to look like the word you like to throw around so loosely "bigot" See, you're exactly what is wrong with leftists these days.. I am a left winger, but I am a left winger with my own code, you.., you just go by what you think the other left wingers think, their favourite word is "bigot" too, anyone who doesn't see it the way you do is a "bigot", well that's fine, I think you're trying to look so politically correct so people don't call you a "bigot" My advice to you is to not go by what you think other people think, be true to yourself. that is all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Dog Posted March 27, 2012 Report Share Posted March 27, 2012 (edited) Is that all you have? rofl, okay, even the most liberal Canadian news site CBC commenters are against thus person being in the pageant.. and these people are as liberal in Canada as it gets http://www.cbc.ca/news/arts/story/2012/03/26/bc-transgender-miss-universe.html The top comment Give me a break here. This girl was born as a guy! He had parts reassigned by surgery. That does not make him into a girl! If there is going to be a Miss anything Beauty Pageant, then only REAL girls should be allowed to enter! Just my humble opinion. Cheers ... Dart 890 thumbs up, 474 thumbs down Yes the comment section of news outlets are well known to be bastions of intellectual rigor and progressive thought. Black Dog, I think you're trying to be a hardcore leftist just because you thought this is how leftists have to think. You don't want to look like the word you like to throw around so loosely "bigot" Nope. See, child, some of us have life experience. Some of us actually know trans people and have a tiny shred of sympathy for and understanding of the crap they have to go through just to have the same rights and respect as the rest of us. See, you're exactly what is wrong with leftists these days.. I am a left winger, but I am a left winger with my own code, you.., you just go by what you think the other left wingers think, their favourite word is "bigot" too, anyone who doesn't see it the way you do is a "bigot", well that's fine, I think you're trying to look so politically correct so people don't call you a "bigot" No, I'm not trying to "look like' anything. I believe what I believe and I believe when I call you and your ilk bigots is because of your expressions of bigotry and for that reason alone. My advice to you is to not go by what you think other people think, be true to yourself. that is all Oh I 'd love to be true to myself right now, but I have received far too many warnings against using profanity. Edited March 27, 2012 by Black Dog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Dog Posted March 27, 2012 Report Share Posted March 27, 2012 Care to enlighten us? Sex is biology, gender is society. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest American Woman Posted March 27, 2012 Report Share Posted March 27, 2012 Where are "Charter Rights" when a girl needs them? Time to lawyer up for a big payday! When I read the title of this thread, I thought it referred to this: Discrimination against trans travellers At any rate, I think a person's mental state is likely more important than their physical attributes and considering how complex the human body/brain is, it certainly is conceivable that a person could be born with a mixed identity - the mind saying one thing, the body another. If this woman feels she is a woman and that's what makes her happy, I say good for her - and if surgical alterations aren't allowed, then that should apply to all contestants IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stopstaaron Posted March 27, 2012 Report Share Posted March 27, 2012 Yes the comment section of news outlets are well known to be bastions of intellectual rigor and progressive thought. They are normal people just like you whom are entitled to give their own opinions. Nope. See, child, some of us have life experience. Some of us actually know trans people and have a tiny shred of sympathy for and understanding of the crap they have to go through just to have the same rights and respect as the rest of us. There are no "rights" to enter into a beauty pageant, pretty sure that is a privilege No, I'm not trying to "look like' anything. I believe what I believe and I believe when I call you and your ilk bigots is because of your expressions of bigotry. Okay, you're allowed to think what you want about me. I'm allowed to think what I want about you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stopstaaron Posted March 27, 2012 Report Share Posted March 27, 2012 if surgical alterations aren't allowed, then that should apply to all contestants IMO. I'm sure surgical alterations are allowed if the person stays the same gender they were born as, but not alterations into the member of the opposite sex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Dog Posted March 27, 2012 Report Share Posted March 27, 2012 (edited) They are normal people just like you whom are entitled to give their own opinions. More often they are braying idiots. Who cares what they think? There are no "rights" to enter into a beauty pageant, pretty sure that is a privilege There's a lot more going on here than a beauty pageant. I hope you one day get the chance to meet someone who has struggled with their identity as a trans person in a binary world, see if you're man enough to tell them that the identity they know they are isn't real because they lack the requisite body parts. Edited March 27, 2012 by Black Dog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted March 27, 2012 Report Share Posted March 27, 2012 I wonder how many contestants in this pagent will be sporting fake boobies (etc)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stopstaaron Posted March 27, 2012 Report Share Posted March 27, 2012 Who cares what they think? Yes, the majority disagrees with you, so who cares what they think!! Their opinions don't matter!! They aren't intelligent!! so typical of you Goodbye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stopstaaron Posted March 27, 2012 Report Share Posted March 27, 2012 I wonder how many contestants in this pagent will be sporting fake boobies (etc)? Who knows, but I'm not sure what that has to do with being born a female Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Dog Posted March 27, 2012 Report Share Posted March 27, 2012 Yes, the majority disagrees with you, so who cares what they think!! Their opinions don't matter!! They aren't intelligent!! so typical of you Goodbye Enlighten me: what point were you trying to make by posting a link to comment board blather? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted March 27, 2012 Report Share Posted March 27, 2012 Who knows, but I'm not sure what that has to do with being born a female What's a new part or two, eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stopstaaron Posted March 27, 2012 Report Share Posted March 27, 2012 (edited) What's a new part or two, eh? They already had breasts.. they were just enhanced. Same with lips, butt .. they were born with them Edited March 27, 2012 by stopstaaron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted March 27, 2012 Report Share Posted March 27, 2012 They already had breasts.. they were just enhanced. Same with lips, butt .. they were born with them Apparently not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stopstaaron Posted March 27, 2012 Report Share Posted March 27, 2012 Apparently not. This person wasn't. They were born a male. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Dog Posted March 27, 2012 Report Share Posted March 27, 2012 Who is born with breasts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stopstaaron Posted March 27, 2012 Report Share Posted March 27, 2012 Who is born with breasts? you know what I meant! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted March 27, 2012 Report Share Posted March 27, 2012 This person wasn't. They were born a male. So? How many BBWs or women over 40 will be on stage? It's not like you're going to be personally affected by this. In this day and age, so-called beauty contests have to get with the times. Otherwise, they'll be even more lame than usual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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