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[waldo]

No, I fully expect this EC/RCMP to come up with very little in the way of election rigging. And if they do find bad stuff happened it's very unlikely it'll have changed the result of the election. If I'm wrong I'm wrong.

But it appears the opposition won't stop until they get the answer they want. Why else would the call for an inquiry before the EC investigation is even finished?

perhaps they're just channeling the Conservative party... and the many past concerns the Conservative party has raised about Elections Canada. Ya, that one... let's go with that one!

[waldo]

However,it must be pointed out that Ol' Pete was used in the very early days of this "scandal"...

Perhaps the "big thinkers" in the Conservative Party felt Poilievre's personal version of Phyla Rodentia was a bit too much too soon?

But I agree,Poilievre definately ratchet's up the annoyance factor as opposed to our wonderful car salesman from Peterborough...

ya, I noticed Pierre Poilievre early on... and lately... nuthin! I expect he's being rested and receiving fluids (see blood oxygenation enhancement) for the next round. There's also a buzz that Ezrant might get the call!

[capricorn]

As opposed to the stoking the "anti" sentiment of anything not conservative on the Tenycke Channel...er... SunTV?

I wouldn't know, Jack. I don't receive SunTV.

[Jack Weber]

I wouldn't know, Jack. I don't receive SunTV.

Good for you!!

Neither do I!!

Cogeco,in all their wisdom,sent SunTV to the outer stratosphere of channel choices...

Must be becuase of it's undeniable popularity?

[waldo]

And now we have ol' Deano!!!

further to the Dean Del Maestro 'pile on'... the Rumsfeld defense is getting some play!

Donald Rumsfeld: There are no "knowns." There are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say there are things that we now know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we do not know we don't know.

Dean Del Maestro: If we did it, we would know it.... And we don't (know it)...So...We didn't (do it)...

[scribblet]

A Rally for what?

There's an investigation ongoing. I can imagine the meltdown we'll have on our hands if EC and the RCMP don't find anything of any substance behind these claims.

It'll be like 9/11 truthers, nothing will convince them that the Conservatives didn't cheat.

That's so true, the CPC is totally guilty in the eyes of the left before any trial or evidence is presented. Even if proven innocent eventually, they will still insist it happened and use it in their next attack ads. They took hold of the narrative and are continuing with their weaving - or 'cross stitching'

[CPCFTW]

I don't understand some of the conservatives on this forum and the CPC with all of this. The only thing either of those groups should really be saying at this moment is that electoral fraud should not be tolerated and remind the more vocal on the left not to jump to conclusions before EC and the RCMP finish their investigations. Everything outside of this coming from the Right digs the ditch a little bit deeper for them and shows how out of touch with anyone outside their base they really are.

Yes conservatives should just say "electoral fraud is bad mkay" while the left whips up an anti-conservative frenzy predicated on baseless accusations and assumptions. The left can sling all the mud they want, but if conservatives do it they are "out of touch with anyone outside their base".

[scribblet]

I don't understand some of the conservatives on this forum and the CPC with all of this. The only thing either of those groups should really be saying at this moment is that electoral fraud should not be tolerated and remind the more vocal on the left not to jump to conclusions before EC and the RCMP finish their investigations. Everything outside of this coming from the Right digs the ditch a little bit deeper for them and shows how out of touch with anyone outside their base they really are.

I think it's been clear that no one agrees with electoral fraud. All the 'right' is saying now, is there is no hard evidence and that Harper and other MPs were not aware of it.

[Jack Weber]

Yes conservatives should just say "electoral fraud is bad mkay" while the left whips up an anti-conservative frenzy predicated on baseless accusations and assumptions. The left can sling all the mud they want, but if conservatives do it they are "out of touch with anyone outside their base".

Deano!!!

'Sup?

[Jack Weber]

I think it's been clear that no one agrees with electoral fraud. All the 'right' is saying now, is there is no hard evidence and that Harper and other MPs were not aware of it.

And intimating the Liberal party is behind it....

[Jack Weber]

ya, I noticed Pierre Poilievre early on... and lately... nuthin! I expect he's being rested and receiving fluids (see blood oxygenation enhancement) for the next round. There's also a buzz that Ezrant might get the call!

Seeing as The Tenycke Channel has been sent to cable Never Never land,and notwithstanding Ezra's correct stance on Human Rights Tribuals,I don't see this as being an effective PR assault on those ganging up on the poor,downtrodden Conservative Party of Canada (Ya'know...Standing Up for Canada...Here For Canada)...Seeing as the only people viewing SunTV are the few idealogues willing to pay for conservative invective pablum on thier 24 hour infotainment infomercial...

[capricorn]

Even if proven innocent eventually, they will still insist it happened and use it in their next attack ads.

And that's why the NDP is insisting on a public inquiry before EC completes its investigation. EC conducts its investigations in private due to privacy laws and the Elections Act. Reports only detail specific individual cases where they uncover breaches to the Criminal Code of the Elections Act. On the other hand, a public inquiry is conducted in front of cameras, involves calling witnesses, cross-examinations, etc. and takes a considerable amount of time to complete. So, better to have a public inquiry in the hopes that Conservatives somehow embarrass themselves and the proceedings of individual testimony are recorded for posterity. In addition, a public inquiry would result in wall to wall media coverage for who knows how long. Think of all the clips they would have access to in an election campaign.

They took hold of the narrative and are continuing with their weaving - or 'cross stitching'

They're certainly not sticking to their knitting.

[Boges]

Good for you!!

Neither do I!!

Cogeco,in all their wisdom,sent SunTV to the outer stratosphere of channel choices...

Must be becuase of it's undeniable popularity?

Not if you're in the 21st Century and subscribe to HD Channels. It's 705 for Cogeco, meaning it's there with CTV, City, the CBC and and Omni.

If you're only watching SD it's up with the Movie Network, HBO and AMC. All horribly unpopular programming.

Apparently you have to subscribe to Sun News in Rogers now or have a specialty package to get it.

[Jack Weber]

Not if you're in the 21st Century and subscribe to HD Channels. It's 705 for Cogeco, meaning it's there with CTV, City, the CBC and and Omni.

If you're only watching SD it's up with the Movie Network, HBO and AMC. All horribly unpopular programming.

Apparently you have to subscribe to Sun News in Rogers now or have a specialty package to get it.

Why would anyone want to pay extra to see Ezra Levant in HD?

Frankly,The Tenycke Channel is where it belongs...In the virtually unknown stratosphere where only those that want to pay for it can find it...

[olpfan1]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2012/03/03/pol-the-house-robocalls-del-mastro.html

so peter mackay says this

In an interview with CBC News last Sunday, Defence Minister Peter Mackay said: "I think they have identified the individual involved in this."

and then 6 days later Del Mastro says this

"We don't know what happened in Guelph. We don't have any information about what happened in Guelph. But what we can say is that the allegations that have come forward and the evidence that we've seen which is all public — we have no more information than anyone else on this — is troubling."

Both are serial liars, who to believe though?

[Jack Weber]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2012/03/03/pol-the-house-robocalls-del-mastro.html

so peter mackay says this

In an interview with CBC News last Sunday, Defence Minister Peter Mackay said: "I think they have identified the individual involved in this."

and then 6 days later Del Mastro says this

"We don't know what happened in Guelph. We don't have any information about what happened in Guelph. But what we can say is that the allegations that have come forward and the evidence that we've seen which is all public — we have no more information than anyone else on this — is troubling."

Both are serial liars, who to believe though?

Ask David Orchard about Mackay's "Truthiness"....

[WWWTT]

And that's why the NDP is insisting on a public inquiry before EC completes its investigation. EC conducts its investigations in private due to privacy laws and the Elections Act. Reports only detail specific individual cases where they uncover breaches to the Criminal Code of the Elections Act. On the other hand, a public inquiry is conducted in front of cameras, involves calling witnesses, cross-examinations, etc. and takes a considerable amount of time to complete. So, better to have a public inquiry in the hopes that Conservatives somehow embarrass themselves and the proceedings of individual testimony are recorded for posterity. In addition, a public inquiry would result in wall to wall media coverage for who knows how long. Think of all the clips they would have access to in an election campaign.

You are making false implications.

Politicians are always central in inquiries and many are up for re-election and the public has the right to be informed!

Case point would be the Ipperwash inquiry.It came out that Harris was racist or at least made racist comments and this inquiry was the final nail in the coffin for his political career,thank God.

Are you saying that how a politician realy feels should not ever be disclosed to the public?

WWWTT

[WWWTT]

What gets me about the conservatives here now is that they are crying foul play from the NDP and the liberals.Calling their tactics a smear campaign.

This party excelled in these tactics and now they are at the butt end of countless/endless self generated fiascos.

I guess they can't take it anymore.Hypocrits!

WWWTT

[cybercoma]

What gets me about the conservatives here now is that they are crying foul play from the NDP and the liberals.Calling their tactics a smear campaign.

This party excelled in these tactics and now they are at the butt end of countless/endless self generated fiascos.

I guess they can't take it anymore.Hypocrits!

WWWTT

"He didn't come back for you."

[capricorn]

Case point would be the Ipperwash inquiry.It came out that Harris was racist or at least made racist comments and this inquiry was the final nail in the coffin for his political career,thank God.

That's the point about a public inquiry. It provides a wider forum not present in other types of legal mechanisms. Had there not been a public inquiry, there would not have been a sustained focus on Harris' role in Ipperwash.

[UofGPolitico]

Given this hubbub about using American polling firms, and the story today that 14 Conservative MPs used a firm that is heavily tied to the US Republican Party, I think one thing that should be written into the Elections Act is banning the use of firms/companies outside of Canada for electioneering purposes. For once I will agree with Liberal Carolyn Bennett who was quoted in the Star today as saying using foreign companies makes it much harder to investigate transgressions. They are Canadian elections being decided by Canadian voters. Election activities then should only be conducted by Canadian actors.

Edited March 4, 2012 by UofGPolitico

[cybercoma]

Given this hubbub about using American polling firms, and the story today that 14 Conservative MPs used a firm that is heavily tied to the US Republican Party, I think one thing that should be written into the Elections Act is banning the use of firms/companies outside of Canada for electioneering purposes. For once I will agree with Liberal Carolyn Bennett who was quoted in the Star today as saying using foreign companies makes it much harder to investigate transgressions. They are Canadian elections being decided by Canadian voters. Election activities then should only be conducted by Canadian actors.

Exactly and this goes for all parties. Also, why would you give jobs to Americans when you could be giving jobs to Canadians? And you want to run the country? No good.

[eyeball]

Exactly and this goes for all parties. Also, why would you give jobs to Americans when you could be giving jobs to Canadians? And you want to run the country? No good.

Why the hell would we allow political parties to even use an irritating robocaller in the first place? I'd rather see an inquiry than an investigation because the former can also conclude with recommendations, like outlawing robocalling. Maybe we can include a recommendation to outlaw TV ads too.

Actually I wouldn't even know if any of the robocalls I got interfered in my right to vote or not because I hang up on them as soon as I realize it's not a human calling me. And politicians better not take that as an excuse to come knocking at my door to get my attention.

Only doing a better job of leading, following or getting out of the way will do that.

[Topaz]

Guy Giorno, the former chief of staff to the PMO says that does believe the Tories did anything wrong. BUT one thing he did say that puzzled me. He said, "Internal measures were in place in the Conservatives campaign to ENSURE that his official didn't engage in dirty tricks" Question, isn't it a given that parties are honest during a election, knowing full well what could happen it its wasn't?

Edited March 4, 2012 by Topaz

[olpfan1]

Guy Giorno, the former chief of staff to the PMO says that does believe the Tories did anything wrong. BUT one thing he did say that puzzled me. He said, "Internal measures were in place in the Conservatives campaign to ENSURE that his official didn't engage in dirty tricks" Question, isn't it a given that parties are honest during a election, knowing full well what could happen it its wasn't?

Maybe he was talking about The in & out.. so it does not happen again