Shady Posted February 28, 2012 Report Posted February 28, 2012 Here's what I thought of when I saw the hoopla religious-people have been making about Dawkins saying he doesn't completely rule out the possibility that a god exists: -k I love that clip! Quote
Guest Manny Posted February 28, 2012 Report Posted February 28, 2012 Dawkins is more than welcome to believe in his flying spaghetti monster, if that's all he believes god is really about. Who am I to take his spaghetti away from him? Quote
DogOnPorch Posted February 28, 2012 Report Posted February 28, 2012 Dawkins is more than welcome to believe in his flying spaghetti monster, if that's all he believes god is really about. Who am I to take his spaghetti away from him? What is God about? Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Guest Manny Posted February 28, 2012 Report Posted February 28, 2012 What is God about? Good question Dog. Questions are the beginning of learning. This question is not easily answered by anyone else. So rather than me tell you, you will have to find your own meaning within it. Perhaps you will find that the flying spaghetti monster is good enough for you, or perhaps not. You might be one of those who seeks something more than that. Cannelloni, for example, is highly under-appreciated. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted February 28, 2012 Report Posted February 28, 2012 (edited) Not being raised a Christian, I can only marvel at the fairy tales some believe in. As long as it poses no threat to me, have at 'er. Edited February 28, 2012 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
kimmy Posted February 29, 2012 Report Posted February 29, 2012 Dawkins is more than welcome to believe in his flying spaghetti monster, if that's all he believes god is really about. Who am I to take his spaghetti away from him? Not sure if you're aware, but "The Flying Spaghetti Monster" is a gag made up to parody religion. Nobody actually worships it. It seems like some religious people are convinced that atheists must worship *something*-- I have heard atheists accused of worshiping trees, the Devil, science, Darwin, Dawkins, and even themselves. It seems almost as if some people can't comprehend the idea that there are those who simply don't believe in a higher power. -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 29, 2012 Report Posted February 29, 2012 ...It seems almost as if some people can't comprehend the idea that there are those who simply don't believe in a higher power. What if they believe in a reigning monarch...does that count? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
DogOnPorch Posted February 29, 2012 Report Posted February 29, 2012 What if they believe in a reigning monarch...does that count? Her Majesty is a pretty nice girl, but she doesn't have a lot to say. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
cybercoma Posted February 29, 2012 Report Posted February 29, 2012 (edited) Not sure if you're aware, but "The Flying Spaghetti Monster" is a gag made up to parody religion. Nobody actually worships it. It seems like some religious people are convinced that atheists must worship *something*-- I have heard atheists accused of worshiping trees, the Devil, science, Darwin, Dawkins, and even themselves. It seems almost as if some people can't comprehend the idea that there are those who simply don't believe in a higher power. -k One thing that bothers me with people referring to the Flying Spaghetti Monster so much is that they've completely lost sight of the intent. It was created, as you say, as a parody of religion to show the absurdity of teaching religion in science classes in Kansas. Bobby Henderson wrote this letter in response to a hearing held to decide whether Intelligent Design should be taught with Evolution. The FSM makes sense in this context. People try to extend the metaphor too far though. It was never meant as a mockery of religion that is to say that worshipping God is like worshipping a FSM. I think some more aggressive Atheists take it this way. Edited February 29, 2012 by cybercoma Quote
Smallc Posted February 29, 2012 Report Posted February 29, 2012 It was never meant as a mockery of religion that is to say that worshipping God is like worshipping a FSM. I think some more aggressive Atheists take it this way. Well, maybe they do, because, arguably, it is. Quote
Smallc Posted February 29, 2012 Report Posted February 29, 2012 I'm still waiting for Shady to explain his position. Quote
Guest Manny Posted February 29, 2012 Report Posted February 29, 2012 One thing that bothers me with people referring to the Flying Spaghetti Monster so much is that they've completely lost sight of the intent. It was created, as you say, as a parody of religion to show the absurdity of teaching religion in science classes in Kansas. Bobby Henderson wrote this letter in response to a hearing held to decide whether Intelligent Design should be taught with Evolution. The FSM makes sense in this context. People try to extend the metaphor too far though. It was never meant as a mockery of religion that is to say that worshipping God is like worshipping a FSM. I think some more aggressive Atheists take it this way. It's all about metaphors. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted February 29, 2012 Report Posted February 29, 2012 It's all about metaphors. What sort of metaphor is an Allosaurus? Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Guest Manny Posted February 29, 2012 Report Posted February 29, 2012 What sort of metaphor is an Allosaurus? The devil Quote
DogOnPorch Posted February 29, 2012 Report Posted February 29, 2012 The devil So dinosaurs, 'cave men', trilobites, etc are creations of the Devil? I thought your God created everything including variola and malaria. So much suffering...yay! Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted February 29, 2012 Report Posted February 29, 2012 (edited) So what is your religion's take on staphylococcus aureus? It is now resistant to most if not all antibiotics. When I was a kid, it was easily dealt with via penicillin. What's the word I'm looking for.....? Oh yeah...it evolved. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58NtlBuO1jg Edited March 1, 2012 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Smallc Posted February 29, 2012 Report Posted February 29, 2012 I'm pretty sure it isn't resistant to all antibiotics, but they have to work constantly to come up with new ones to counter it and others. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted February 29, 2012 Report Posted February 29, 2012 I'm pretty sure it isn't resistant to all antibiotics, but they have to work constantly to come up with new ones to counter it and others. Not bleach, I'm sure. Did you watch that? Only severe surgery saved him. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Guest Manny Posted February 29, 2012 Report Posted February 29, 2012 So what is your religion's take on staphylococcus aureus? It is now resistant to most if not all antibiotics. When I was a kid, it was easily dealt with via penicillin. What's the word I'm looking for.....? Oh yeah...it elvolved. I don't have a religion. I already explained about evolution, when I told you about metallicity in stars. No, not the album by Metallica... Way I see it, the universe is an engine that is manufacturing ever more complex materials. But some fail. It's all a big wash, but from a macroscopic view, there is a general direction to it. My personal view is that man (humans) should be the centre of all things. Man is what matters most, to us. Not money, not computers, not cars, corporations. Each person is a priceless gem that should be freed. And it's all about evolution. Some are more evolved than others. Even if we annihilate ourselves and this whole planet, evolution is probably taking place somewhere else in the universe. Evolution is always taking place. But life forms are among the most rare and unusual things. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted February 29, 2012 Report Posted February 29, 2012 But life forms are among the most rare and unusual things. In this we'll have to disagree. Kepler is showing us that planets are very common. Plus, over the scope of the Universe's age, stars/planets (and I assume civilizations) have lived and died already. Drake's Equation is a little out-of-date these days. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Guest Manny Posted February 29, 2012 Report Posted February 29, 2012 In this we'll have to disagree. Kepler is showing us that planets are very common. Plus, over the scope of the Universe's age, stars/planets (and I assume civilizations) have lived and died already. Drake's Equation is a little out-of-date these days. Our information is constantly changing. Although yes, there are probably millions or even billions of planets, new evidence indicates that the elements and conditions necessary to support a biosphere are probably quite rare. Life might even be a "fluke", an anomaly. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/02/120223132902.htm When it comes to science, all good scientists know, one needs to keep an open mind. The universe is even stranger than we can imagine. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted February 29, 2012 Report Posted February 29, 2012 Life might even be a "fluke", an anomaly. Or it could be as common as the favorable conditions. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Guest Manny Posted March 1, 2012 Report Posted March 1, 2012 Comets probably played a very significant role in bringing water and rare chemicals to earth, during the epoch of heavy bombardment. It's possible that comets transported life or the basic constituents of it to earth, from somewhere else. Experiments are now underway to determine how long life can exist in the extreme environment of outer space. It already seems that it can. And if that's true, then it means that there might be lots of life out there, migrating throughout the universe. That still doesn't explain how it actually began. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted March 1, 2012 Report Posted March 1, 2012 As mentioned, life could be an expected chemical reaction if the conditions are right. I tend to shy away from any concept that puts us at the centre. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Guest Manny Posted March 1, 2012 Report Posted March 1, 2012 I tend to shy away from any concept that puts us at the centre. What would you rather put at the centre? Quote
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