Michael Hardner Posted February 15, 2012 Report Posted February 15, 2012 Film Website Kidnapped for Christ is a feature-length documentary film, which follows the stories of several American teenagers who were sent to an Evangelical Christian reform school located in The Dominican Republic called “Escuela Caribe.” The school is run by Americans and is advertised as a “therapeutic Christian boarding school” whose mission is to “help struggling youth transform into healthy Christian adults.” While many have praised the school for saving the lives of hundreds of troubled teens, in the past several years many former students have begun to speak out against the school, claiming that they suffered both psychological and physical abuse during their time there. The film’s director, Kate Logan, set out to document the experiences of the students at this remote boarding school and was given unprecedented access to film for seven weeks on campus in the summer of 2006. Through candid interviews with distressed students, footage of staff imposing extreme discipline and punishments, and finally the attempted rescue of a student being held at the school illegally past the age of 18, she was able to reveal the shocking truth of what was actually going on at Escuela Caribe. It's really hard to believe that this kind of thing happens in the US in 2012, that people would send their own children to such a place. Christianity has so many warped adherents such as these that it's not surprising that there is bigotry against them. Things like this shouldn't happen today. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 15, 2012 Report Posted February 15, 2012 It's really hard to believe that this kind of thing happens in the US in 2012, that people would send their own children to such a place. Christianity has so many warped adherents such as these that it's not surprising that there is bigotry against them. Things like this shouldn't happen today. Dominican Republic <> United States Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Michael Hardner Posted February 15, 2012 Author Report Posted February 15, 2012 Dominican Republic <> United States Kidnapping happened in the US... Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 15, 2012 Report Posted February 15, 2012 (edited) Kidnapping happened in the US... Kidnapping is not rare in the USA or Canada. Ever heard of the "Lindbergh Baby"? Edited February 15, 2012 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Michael Hardner Posted February 15, 2012 Author Report Posted February 15, 2012 Kidnapping is not rare in the USA or Canada. Ever heard of the "Lindbergh Baby"? Yes. Yes I have. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 15, 2012 Report Posted February 15, 2012 Yes. Yes I have. Wiki say: In 2010 the United States was ranked sixth in the world for kidnapping for ransom, according to the available statistics (after Colombia, Italy, Lebanon, Peru, and the Philippines).[10] Phoenix, Arizona is the kidnapping capital of America. With 370 cases in 2010, Phoenix is ranked second in the world (ranked first is Mexico City.) Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Guest American Woman Posted February 15, 2012 Report Posted February 15, 2012 (edited) It's really hard to believe that this kind of thing happens in the US in 2012.... Things like this shouldn't happen today. It's really hard to believe that this kind of thing happens in Canada - The Truth About New Horions Youth Ministries What is your name? Isaac Worley To which institutions were you sent? I attended Canada, Marion, and Escuela Caribe Please describe instances of abuse you experienced while in the program, if any: Canada- As a 75 lb 12-year-old in Canada, I was body slammed into the cabin wall then thrown to the ground by a screaming full-grown man <cabin leader> for not singing loudly enough in chapel. Edited February 15, 2012 by American Woman Quote
Shady Posted February 15, 2012 Report Posted February 15, 2012 This thread is pretty pathetic Michael. You're better than this. Quote
lukin Posted February 15, 2012 Report Posted February 15, 2012 Film Website It's really hard to believe that this kind of thing happens in the US in 2012, that people would send their own children to such a place. Christianity has so many warped adherents such as these that it's not surprising that there is bigotry against them. Things like this shouldn't happen today. And your a moderator. Quote
Bonam Posted February 15, 2012 Report Posted February 15, 2012 How is it pathetic? It sounds like a very serious issue, very much worth being exposed. And that parents in any advanced, well-educated country would send their children to this kind of deplorable facility, akin to residential schools, is indeed disturbing. Quote
The_Squid Posted February 15, 2012 Report Posted February 15, 2012 This thread is pretty pathetic Michael. You're better than this. Do you have something to refute the OP? Do you disagree that kidnapping is wrong? What's your beef with the post? Or did you just want to insult MH? Quote
msj Posted February 15, 2012 Report Posted February 15, 2012 Do you have something to refute the OP? Do you disagree that kidnapping is wrong? What's your beef with the post? Or did you just want to insult MH? Shady's acting as a troll so the answer is no. Ignore him. Quote If a believer demands that I, as a non-believer, observe his taboos in the public domain, he is not asking for my respect but for my submission. And that is incompatible with a secular democracy. Flemming Rose (Dutch journalist) My biggest takeaway from economics is that the past wasn't as good as you remember, the present isn't as bad as you think, and the future will be better than you anticipate. Morgan Housel http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/01/14/things-im-pretty-sure-about.aspx
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 15, 2012 Report Posted February 15, 2012 Do you have something to refute the OP? Do you disagree that kidnapping is wrong? What's your beef with the post? Or did you just want to insult MH? Kidnapping is already illegal in the United States. Convictions come with long sentences, unlike in Canada! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Moonlight Graham Posted February 15, 2012 Report Posted February 15, 2012 I don't think Michael's intent in this thread was to single out the US in an underhanded way. I think his point is that some Christians are bonkers, and that he wanted to shed light on this horrible camp. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 15, 2012 Report Posted February 15, 2012 So that's the brilliance here..."some Christians are bonkers"? Really? Must be a slow night. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Michael Hardner Posted February 15, 2012 Author Report Posted February 15, 2012 It's really hard to believe that this kind of thing happens in Canada - Exactly. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Michael Hardner Posted February 15, 2012 Author Report Posted February 15, 2012 And your a moderator. No, I'm not. Check my profile again. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Michael Hardner Posted February 15, 2012 Author Report Posted February 15, 2012 Do you have something to refute the OP? Do you disagree that kidnapping is wrong? What's your beef with the post? Or did you just want to insult MH? I think that they may think I'm pointing finger at the US, which wasn't my intention. I find it hard to believe it happens in civilized countries, by parents who think this is a good idea for their children - was my point. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Michael Hardner Posted February 15, 2012 Author Report Posted February 15, 2012 This thread is pretty pathetic Michael. You're better than this. Did you say that because you thought I was making a comment on the US ? As I said, it wasn't my intention and I should have been clearer. It's more about the mindset of parents who think this is a good idea in this day and age. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
msj Posted February 15, 2012 Report Posted February 15, 2012 It's really hard to believe that this kind of thing happens in Canada - Exactly. Well played, sir! Quote If a believer demands that I, as a non-believer, observe his taboos in the public domain, he is not asking for my respect but for my submission. And that is incompatible with a secular democracy. Flemming Rose (Dutch journalist) My biggest takeaway from economics is that the past wasn't as good as you remember, the present isn't as bad as you think, and the future will be better than you anticipate. Morgan Housel http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/01/14/things-im-pretty-sure-about.aspx
Michael Hardner Posted February 15, 2012 Author Report Posted February 15, 2012 So that's the brilliance here..."some Christians are bonkers"? Really? Must be a slow night. It is a slow night. Not brilliance but a practice that I find pretty shocking actually. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
msj Posted February 15, 2012 Report Posted February 15, 2012 Did you say that because you thought I was making a comment on the US ? As I said, it wasn't my intention and I should have been clearer. It's more about the mindset of parents who think this is a good idea in this day and age. You were perfectly clear. It's just the usual suspects complaining about anti-US this and anti-Christianity that... trying to muddy the waters to make themselves appear deep and all. Quote If a believer demands that I, as a non-believer, observe his taboos in the public domain, he is not asking for my respect but for my submission. And that is incompatible with a secular democracy. Flemming Rose (Dutch journalist) My biggest takeaway from economics is that the past wasn't as good as you remember, the present isn't as bad as you think, and the future will be better than you anticipate. Morgan Housel http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/01/14/things-im-pretty-sure-about.aspx
Michael Hardner Posted February 15, 2012 Author Report Posted February 15, 2012 You were perfectly clear. It's just the usual suspects complaining about anti-US this and anti-Christianity that... trying to muddy the waters to make themselves appear deep and all. I think I did speak to the anti-Christianity part. I was brought up in a very liberal Christian household that actively read and tried to live the teachings of scripture, so it saddens me when I see people doing things in the name of this faith that seem so ... incorrect ... to me. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 15, 2012 Report Posted February 15, 2012 I think I did speak to the anti-Christianity part. I was brought up in a very liberal Christian household that actively read and tried to live the teachings of scripture, so it saddens me when I see people doing things in the name of this faith that seem so ... incorrect ... to me. I don't think you have a monopoly on "liberal Christian" faith, or any superior understanding of scripture. If you were to actually read the Bible, you would find it filled with all manner of doing "incorrect" things. Does your "liberal Christian" faith endorse Christ-like abortions? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Michael Hardner Posted February 15, 2012 Author Report Posted February 15, 2012 I don't think you have a monopoly on "liberal Christian" faith, or any superior understanding of scripture. Well your first problem is that you're not me. If you were, maybe you would think that. But you can't be sure because you're not. Me. I can tell that you get deeply upset when people have moral objections, in general, and so you start bringing up non sequiturs like the Lindbergh baby hoping to jar loose some piece of logic that you can pull at... But in the end you don't like other people having different morals than you, from what I can tell. If you were to actually read the Bible, you would find it filled with all manner of doing "incorrect" things. Are you saying I didn't read the bible, or that my view of what constitutes being Christian is, is incorrect ? Does your "liberal Christian" faith endorse Christ-like abortions? Luckily, I'm under no obligation to answer to you on this one. Maybe I do have a superior understanding of Christianity. Does that offend you or make you afraid somehow ? Maybe I don't, but I think I do. Does that anger you ? Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
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