Moonlight Graham Posted February 10, 2012 Report Posted February 10, 2012 I vote for Iran. They had no problem engaging Iraq in the 80s. Iraq attacked/invaded Iran. Would you not "engage" a country that's invading your borders? Here is another newsflash: Europe and USA won't lift a finger to stop the Israelis, it will be done with their tacit approval. Maybe not, but that isn't certain. It depends on how Israel goes about it. Any attack will have huge consequences for the rest of the world re: oil, and destabilizing the region. Striking Iran is not an easy decision. There are strong pros and cons for striking or not striking, and these must be weighed extremely carefully. I don't envy world leaders on this call. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
DogOnPorch Posted February 10, 2012 Report Posted February 10, 2012 If it was easy, Israel would have already done it. However, this is Entebbe times ten, at least. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Moonlight Graham Posted February 10, 2012 Report Posted February 10, 2012 You gotta admit though that little ditty is pretty catchy lol It kind of reminds me of this: Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
DogOnPorch Posted February 10, 2012 Report Posted February 10, 2012 (edited) You gotta admit though that little ditty is pretty catchy lol It kind of reminds me of this: Do you have a non-Memri translation of Borat? Edited February 10, 2012 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
kactus Posted February 10, 2012 Report Posted February 10, 2012 Why is that....? perhaps it is because they are not allow to emigrate. It is again'st the law and punishable by death. For example, in May 1998, Jewish businessman Ruhollah Kakhodah-Zadeh was hanged in prison without a public charge or legal proceeding, apparently for assisting Jews to emigrate. What you left out was on the Eve of the Islamic Revolution in 1979, 80,000 Jews lived in Iran. In the wake of the upheaval, tens of thousands of Jews, especially the wealthy, left the country, leaving behind vast amounts of property. So the 25,000 are what remained as most had feared for their lives and left everything,belongins , land everything.... So what? After the revolution many Iranians left Iran. They lost their wealth and money and were not even jewish. Whether jew or non-jew why do you mention one group??? Dispite the fact that it is again'st the law to hold any opinion other than what the government hands out, so when they are spewing anti Jewish sentiment they nod and agree....it is a figure head appiontment... The law in Iran states that any ethnic minority in Iran has a representative. Jews have representative as do many other ethnic groups. Whether there is a flaw or not with the system why should there be preferential terms for one group and not the others? Perhaps you should watch the vid again, It's again'st the law for any Iranian to talk to , post letters to or travel to Israel... So what? This has been the case even before the 1979 revolution.... Quote
kactus Posted February 10, 2012 Report Posted February 10, 2012 Your buddies rip the nails out of reporters' hands for for daring to speak-out about the horrors of the Iranian regime. But, I do find it amusing you support such jocularities. Keep it up. Remember, Dinnerjacket said: "We like ice cream"...NOT, "Death to Israel". If you say it enough, Herr Goebbels, perhaps the masses WILL believe you. Jawohl jawohl Herr Obersturmführer! Quote
kactus Posted February 10, 2012 Report Posted February 10, 2012 Iraq attacked/invaded Iran. Would you not "engage" a country that's invading your borders? Exactly right. But hey in some eyes that was still the fault of Eyeranians... Quote
DogOnPorch Posted February 10, 2012 Report Posted February 10, 2012 So what? This has been the case even before the 1979 revolution.... Has it? I recall Israel and Iran being pals during the Shah days. But, my memory is probably a MEMRI translation, eh? Meanwhile, what did Khamenei mean by this statement?...Using your proper translation abilities, of course. Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, recently called for "this cancerous tumor of a state be removed from the region." ... Jawohl jawohl Herr Obersturmführer! Yes, I do like ice cream. Meanwhile, here's your buddy saying hello to the father of the Palestinian Cause that you also support. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted February 10, 2012 Report Posted February 10, 2012 Ugh...if you're going to insult me, hurry-up. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
kactus Posted February 10, 2012 Report Posted February 10, 2012 (edited) Has it? I recall Israel and Iran being pals during the Shah days. But, my memory is probably a MEMRI translation, eh? Meanwhile, what did Khamenei mean by this statement?...Using your proper translation abilities, of course. Yes, I do like ice cream. Meanwhile, here's your buddy saying hello to the father of the Palestinian Cause that you also support. Damn right it is. I would imagine there are also travel restrictions for people travelling from Israel to Iran. But hey let's not your frustrations get the better of you. Calm down! Aye. The good old grand mufti. Same BS argument on every thread to divert from the subject. That's the best you can come up with. The same regurgitated crap on every thread! Edited February 10, 2012 by kactus Quote
kactus Posted February 10, 2012 Report Posted February 10, 2012 (edited) Ugh...if you're going to insult me, hurry-up. Why? Is that what you are pre-conditioned to? Edited February 10, 2012 by kactus Quote
DogOnPorch Posted February 10, 2012 Report Posted February 10, 2012 Damn right it is. I would imagine there are also travel restrictions for people travelling from Israel to Iran. But hey let's not your frustrations get the better of you. Calm down! Aye. The good old grand mufti. Same BS argument on every thread to divert from the subject. That's the best you can come up with. The same regurgitated crap on every thread! Unfortunately for you, the Grand Mufti, the Palestinians and their connection to the Islamic Republic of Iran are a fact as opposed to fantasy. You might call it BS but I assure you both the Mufti and Himmler were real. As was Iran's and Israel's friendship. But, some folks get all wet in the panties rooting for the "black hats". I do not want to deny you that. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
kactus Posted February 10, 2012 Report Posted February 10, 2012 (edited) Unfortunately for you, the Grand Mufti, the Palestinians and their connection to the Islamic Republic of Iran are a fact as opposed to fantasy. wtf are you talking about? You might call it BS but I assure you both the Mufti and Himmler were real. That maybe true and I don't dispute it. But...Again wtf has this to do with Iran? Aye, I get it the current regime in Iran has somehow some links to nazi Germans As was Iran's and Israel's friendship. But, some folks get all wet in the panties rooting for the "black hats". I do not want to deny you that. Sigh...Again you are moving off topic...We were talking about travel restrictions...I reiterate the same point as I made earlier. There has always been travel restrictions to and from Iran to Israel even prior to 1979 revolution. Infact Egypt is the only other country that has travel restrictions to Iran. This is not a big secret. I am not denying that Iran enjoyed a better relationship with Israel prior to 1979. Infact I would have endorsed a better relationship between both countries but chances of that is non existent at the moment. (to put it mildy) And ffs do not assume that anyone who opposes your views has somehow connections to the Iranian regime. Just an advice up to you to take it. Edited February 10, 2012 by kactus Quote
DogOnPorch Posted February 10, 2012 Report Posted February 10, 2012 (edited) Your Mullah chums in Iran support Hezbollah and Hamas. Both are Islamic fascist terrorist groups that attack Israel on a regular basis. Both have connections dating back to the Mufti's day. Heck, your lads in Tehran support Syria and the death misery that goes on there, as well. As for being OT, this thread is about Israel and Iran. So no it is not. You just don't wish to be reminded of the Mufti and his tour through the 3rd Reich. Looks bad to support a Nazi movement. Edited February 10, 2012 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 10, 2012 Report Posted February 10, 2012 ....Striking Iran is not an easy decision. There are strong pros and cons for striking or not striking, and these must be weighed extremely carefully. I don't envy world leaders on this call. Agreed, but when parsing this problem and proposing solutions there is one undeniable truth: a conventional conflict to resolve the dispute is less riskier than the potential nuclear conflagration if no action is taken. This favors a limited strike action that forces concessions and resolution on both sides. The Iranians could help matters by toning down the "DESTROY ISRAEL" rhetoric. Israel is not proposing to destroy all of Iran, just a nuclear weapons program. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 10, 2012 Report Posted February 10, 2012 Ugh...if you're going to insult me, hurry-up. LOL! Indeed, we are busy men / women! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Guest Peeves Posted February 10, 2012 Report Posted February 10, 2012 so why is no one saying anything about the lie the OP has put up as the topic? there is plenty of crappy things the iranian government could be called on, but the desperate attempt by people like peeves to try to make it look like that the iranian government is out to kill jews is pure fantasy. this is not the first time that peeves has posted misinformation in order to do his part to beat on the war drums. i can't think of many worst things than those who advocate for wars and use lies and deceit while doing it. Ouch! that really hurt, cut to the quick I was. Most Jews left Muslim countries including Iran. Those still there face continued hardships that no current democratic country imposes on religious orders. In fact, any Muslim would have more rights in Israel than in their (most) countries. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted February 10, 2012 Report Posted February 10, 2012 (edited) There was also no travel restrictions between Israel and Iran before 1972. Iran was the first Muslim nation to recognize Israel, in fact. From 1972-1979 there was a law on the books allowing the Shah's government to possibly (ie discretion) put someone away for up-to three months for travel to anywhere with the objective of undermining his throne. Most notably Communist countries. Edited February 10, 2012 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted February 10, 2012 Report Posted February 10, 2012 LOL! Indeed, we are busy men / women! I hate cold coffee and the one lass at the front desk gives me a nasty look when I say: 'Bring me another, wench!' Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Guest Peeves Posted February 10, 2012 Report Posted February 10, 2012 There is no freedom in Iran. Women are forced into state approved attire. No one can convert to other than Islam for as an apostate you may be a heretic. Other religions are persecuted. Any finding cause to celebrate, support or defend Iranian treatment of citizens are apologists and enablers indeed. The Iranian behavior, threatening statements on Israel, the Holocaust, Jews, financing terrorists, and promoting blood libel with cartoon contests are a matter of record. Forget the abuse of Jews or the Iranian citizen, hanging children or gays for a moment and look at the treatment of another peaceful religion in Iran. http://news.bahai.org/human-rights/iran/iran-update/ Human Rights in Iran and EgyptIran Update Last updated: 6 February 2012 Note: This report is provided as a service to news media and others desiring current information about the Baha'is in Iran. All details have been verified by the Baha'i International Community. Words in italics have been altered or added since the previous update on 11 January 2012. Summary of latest news Imprisonment of Baha’i educators: Legal appeals launched by the Baha’i educators jailed for their involvement in the Baha’i Institute for Higher Education have failed. Vahid Mahmoudi, originally imprisoned for five years along with his six former colleagues, was released on 9 January 2012 after his sentence was suspended. Faran Hesami and her husband Kamran Rahimian, who taught psychology with BIHE, have been sentenced to four years in prison. Economic pressure: Economic pressure on Iran’s Baha’i community is acute, with both jobs and business licenses being denied to Baha’is. More than 70 percent of Baha’i-owned businesses in Sari and Ghaemshahr, and a number in Gorgan and Gonbad, amounting to at least 50 stores, have recently been searched in order to find some excuse on which to threaten or arrest the owners. Authorities have even searched the homes of Baha’i owners of stores that have been closed for more than two years, and who have relocated their work to their homes. International Reaction: In Slovakia, the parliament’s Foreign Affairs Committee issued a proclamation describing the Iranian government's incitement to hatred based on religion and belief is as "abhorrent." In the United Kingdom - in a debate held at Westminster Hall – members of parliament highlighted the fact that virtually every religious minority in Iran is now facing oppression. Arrests and convictions: Since August 2004, some 508 Baha'is have been arrested in Iran. There are about 84 Iranian Baha'is currently in prison because of their religion. To date, the cases of some 407 Baha'is are still active with authorities. Baha’i burials and cemetery desecration: Harassment over Baha'i burials and the desecration of cemeteries are clear indications that the persecution is based solely on religion and not the result of any threat posed by Baha'is, as officials sometimes claim. In Sanandaj, the Office of Natural Resources has asked the Baha’is to return the land containing their Baha’i cemetery and has called for the demolition of the buildings that were built inside the cemetery. Further details Imprisonment of Baha’i educators Legal appeals launched by the Baha’i educators jailed for their involvement in the Baha’i Institute for Higher Education have failed. The appeals court has ruled that the original verdicts and sentences still stand. Mahmoud Badavam, Noushin Khadem, Farhad Sedghi, Riaz Sobhani and Ramin Zibaie must each serve four years' imprisonment. Kamran Mortezaie will continue to serve a five-year jail term. Vahid Mahmoudi, originally imprisoned for five years along with his six former colleagues, was released on 9 January 2012, after his five-year sentence was suspended. The seven were reportedly found guilty of 'membership in the deviant Bahaist sect, with the goal of taking action against the security of the country, in order to further the aims of the deviant sect and those of organizations outside the country.' The judgements also cast the activities of the accused in support of BIHE as crimes and as evidence of their purported aim to subvert the State. There is, of course, no foundation whatever to the judiciary's assertion that the seven sought to undermine Iranian national security, and the authorities are themselves fully aware that such an accusation is utterly without credence. Faran Hesami and her husband Kamran Rahimian, who taught psychology with BIHE, have been sentenced to four years in prison. The couple were summoned to court with two other Baha’is on 13 September 2011. Mr. Rahimian and Ms. Hesami gained Masters Degrees in Educational Counseling from the University of Ottawa, Canada, in December 2003. They are appealing their sentences. Economic pressure Quote
jbg Posted February 11, 2012 Report Posted February 11, 2012 ...are you just passing gas? Is that appropriate language for this site? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
jbg Posted February 11, 2012 Report Posted February 11, 2012 I still think theres a way better chance that Israel will attack Iran unprovoked as opposed to vice versa. At this point any Israeli attack on Iran would be provoked, not unprovoked. Iran's "blustering"should be taken quite seriously if Israel wants to survive. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
bud Posted February 11, 2012 Report Posted February 11, 2012 It says Jews keep a low profile...that's what fellowtraveller said. He's been there and you have not? I wonder who is correct? he's obviously wrong as according to the video YOU posted and as according to more facts about iranian jews. anyone with opposing views to the regime has to keep a low profile. it's not a jew thing. if the government had something against jewish people, then the jews would have left iran like they could have all this time. especially with the incentive that israel has offered them. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/jul/13/iran.israel Iran's Jews have given the country a loyalty pledge in the face of cash offers aimed at encouraging them to move to Israel, the arch-enemy of its Islamic rulers. The incentives - ranging from £5,000 a person to £30,000 for families - were offered from a special fund established by wealthy expatriate Jews in an effort to prompt a mass migration to Israel among Iran's 25,000-strong Jewish community. The offers were made with Israel's official blessing and were additional to the usual state packages it provides to Jews emigrating from the diaspora. However, the Society of Iranian Jews dismissed them as "immature political enticements" and said their national identity was not for sale. "The identity of Iranian Jews is not tradable for any amount of money," the society said in a statement. "Iranian Jews are among the most ancient Iranians. Iran's Jews love their Iranian identity and their culture, so threats and this immature political enticement will not achieve their aim of wiping out the identity of Iranian Jews." The Israeli newspaper Ma'ariv reported that the incentives had been doubled after offers of £2,500 a head failed to attract any Iranian Jews to leave for Israel. Iran's sole Jewish MP, Morris Motamed, said the offers were insulting and put the country's Jews under pressure to prove their loyalty. "It suggests the Iranian Jew can be encouraged to emigrate by money," he said. "Iran's Jews have always been free to emigrate and three-quarters of them did so after the revolution but 70% of those went to America, not Israel." Quote http://whoprofits.org/
bud Posted February 11, 2012 Report Posted February 11, 2012 so peeves, why haven't you change the title of this thread? the ayatollah didn't say israel could be wiped in 9 minutes. you're refusing to correct something that you know is false. isn't knowingly spreading misinformation against forum rules? Quote http://whoprofits.org/
DogOnPorch Posted February 11, 2012 Report Posted February 11, 2012 (edited) This occupation regime over Jerusalem must vanish from the arena of time. ---Khomeini Iran’s position, which was first expressed by the Imam Khomeini and stated several times by those responsible, is that the cancerous tumor called Israel must be uprooted from the region. ---Khamenei This occupation regime over Jerusalem must vanish from the arena of time. ---Ahmadinejad Now, if I were an Israeli, I wouldn't be too worried about the semantics. Any way you cut this message of peace from Iran it comes out as hostile. http://www.jcpa.org/text/ahmadinejad2-words.pdf Edited February 11, 2012 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
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