Guest Peeves Posted February 8, 2012 Report Posted February 8, 2012 Preemptive strikes seem to be the threat du jour. It must be catching? 'Kill all Jews and annihilate Israel!' Iran's Ayatollah lays out legal and religious justification for attack Doctrine says Israel would be wiped out in 9 minutes http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2097252/Kill-Jews-annihilate-Israel-Irans-supreme-leader-lays-legal-religious-justification-attack.html Quote
DogOnPorch Posted February 8, 2012 Report Posted February 8, 2012 Now all we need is somebody to tell us what Khamenei and Forghani actually said. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
dre Posted February 8, 2012 Report Posted February 8, 2012 (edited) Now all we need is somebody to tell us what Khamenei and Forghani actually said. Im more concerned with Irans real history of large scale military action against its neighbors. There isnt one. Of COURSE they are blustering just like we are. They want to discourage an attack. I still think theres a way better chance that Israel will attack Iran unprovoked as opposed to vice versa. But what the f__k ever... Let em fight. Get me a comfy seat and some popcorn, and just make sure none of MY money gets spent on it. It the retards over there in that god forsaken dump want to ratchet up the rhetoric and goad each other into a conflict, that just aint my problem. Edited February 8, 2012 by dre Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Moonlight Graham Posted February 9, 2012 Report Posted February 9, 2012 (edited) Im more concerned with Irans real history of large scale military action against its neighbors. There isnt one. Of COURSE they are blustering just like we are. They want to discourage an attack. I still think theres a way better chance that Israel will attack Iran unprovoked as opposed to vice versa. Exactly. Who is the more aggressive country? Israel or Iran? Who was the first to reject the NPT treaty? Who is talking about real, serious military strikes against another country in the middl-east, not just wishing a regime "vanished from the pages of time" (whatever that means!). If somebody launches a strike first, it will be Israel, not Iran. So who is the real threat to peace and security in the region? Who is more likely to start a regional war that will drive oil prices out the roof and kill tens of thousands? This just in: Israel threatens preemptive strike. Anyone been reading the news lately? Edited February 9, 2012 by Moonlight Graham Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 9, 2012 Report Posted February 9, 2012 ...This just in: Israel threatens preemptive strike. Anyone been reading the news lately? That's not news....it's old news. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Post To The Left Posted February 9, 2012 Report Posted February 9, 2012 Exactly. Who is the more aggressive country? Israel or Iran? Who was the first to reject the NPT treaty? Iran never rejected the NPT treaty Quote
Wild Bill Posted February 9, 2012 Report Posted February 9, 2012 Exactly. Who is the more aggressive country? Israel or Iran? Who was the first to reject the NPT treaty? Who is talking about real, serious military strikes against another country in the middl-east, not just wishing a regime "vanished from the pages of time" (whatever that means!). If somebody launches a strike first, it will be Israel, not Iran. So who is the real threat to peace and security in the region? Who is more likely to start a regional war that will drive oil prices out the roof and kill tens of thousands? This just in: Israel threatens preemptive strike. Anyone been reading the news lately? Moon, you can argue over who is right and wrong but the fact remains, if Israel truly believes that Iran is building a bomb they have no choice but to implement a first strike to try to protect themselves. Anything else would be suicide. If they actually never believed Iran were a nuclear threat then a first-strike would be war-mongering. The only way to prevent such a scenario is to convince Israel there is absolutely no threat. Remember, if you are wrong it will likely be Tel Aviv and not YOUR town that glows in the dark! Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
bud Posted February 9, 2012 Report Posted February 9, 2012 Iran's Ayatollah says Israel would be wiped out in 9 minutes iran's ayatollah doesn't say such a thing. why are you posting lies? Quote http://whoprofits.org/
dre Posted February 9, 2012 Report Posted February 9, 2012 (edited) Moon, you can argue over who is right and wrong but the fact remains, if Israel truly believes that Iran is building a bomb they have no choice but to implement a first strike to try to protect themselves. Anything else would be suicide. If they actually never believed Iran were a nuclear threat then a first-strike would be war-mongering. The only way to prevent such a scenario is to convince Israel there is absolutely no threat. Remember, if you are wrong it will likely be Tel Aviv and not YOUR town that glows in the dark! if Israel truly believes that Iran is building a bomb they have no choice but to implement a first strike to try to protect themselves. Anything else would be suicide. No this is a total assumption. If Iran wants nuclear weapons they want them as a deterent. They have been a target of aggression and the biggest victim of war in the middle east historically, with the west backing bloody invasions, and the use of WMDs against their people. Its not "suicide" to allow Iran become a nuclear power any more than it was for India to allow pakistan to become one. The only way to prevent such a scenario is to convince Israel there is absolutely no threat. Remember, if you are wrong it will likely be Tel Aviv and not YOUR town that glows in the dark! No the way to prevent is to make it absolutely clear that unprovoked aggression by Israel will not be sponsored or aided by the west but will in fact be treated as a war crime. The worst thing we can do is send any other message. Edited February 9, 2012 by dre Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 9, 2012 Report Posted February 9, 2012 ....No the way to prevent is to make it absolutely clear that unprovoked aggression by Israel will not be sponsored or aided by the west but will in fact be treated as a war crime. The worst thing we can do is send any other message. Fat chance....action by Israel will be "sponsored" by several "western" nations, and even if it wasn't, Israel is a sovereign state quite capable of looking out for its interests in the region. It has more experience bombing nuclear facilities than any other nation. How many Israeli troops are in Afghanistan? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Sa'adoni Posted February 9, 2012 Report Posted February 9, 2012 Yeah cause the US and Israel and UK havn't said all options are on the table. Quote
Sa'adoni Posted February 9, 2012 Report Posted February 9, 2012 Yeah cause the US and Israel and UK havn't said all options are on the table. For Bombing of radioactive nuclear sites that would spread a radioactive dustcloud over Iran. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 9, 2012 Report Posted February 9, 2012 For Bombing of radioactive nuclear sites that would spread a radioactive dustcloud over Iran. Iran wasn't concerned about "radioactive dust clouds" when it tried to destroy Iraq's (French built) Osirak plant. But they botched the job...the Israelis didn't. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
dre Posted February 9, 2012 Report Posted February 9, 2012 Fat chance....action by Israel will be "sponsored" by several "western" nations, and even if it wasn't, Israel is a sovereign state quite capable of looking out for its interests in the region. It has more experience bombing nuclear facilities than any other nation. How many Israeli troops are in Afghanistan? Theres a debate to be had about how capable Israel is. Both in terms of what they can do to Irans nuclear program which consists of more than 300 sites, many of which are deep underground, and in terms of stopping the retaliatory strike that will ensue. But like I said! Let em fight. Like drug dealers and gang bangers killing each other as far as Im concerned. Fun to watch, and hard to care Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Moonlight Graham Posted February 9, 2012 Report Posted February 9, 2012 Iran never rejected the NPT treaty If you don't follow you it, i'd say you reject it. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 9, 2012 Report Posted February 9, 2012 Theres a debate to be had about how capable Israel is. Both in terms of what they can do to Irans nuclear program which consists of more than 300 sites, many of which are deep underground, and in terms of stopping the retaliatory strike that will ensue. Oh great...so now propaganda about "300" dispersed sites is 100% credible and they all need to be hit to stop Iran's weapons development. Doesn't mean Israel won't try. They can do lots...from direct attacks on those sites and supporting infrastructure. The ensuing conflict will afford even more opportunity to cripple facilities and destabilize the "regime". Israel can/will do the world's "dirty work". Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
dre Posted February 9, 2012 Report Posted February 9, 2012 If you don't follow you it, i'd say you reject it. Problem with that is that the NPT does not ban enrichment, in fact enrichment is a RIGHT of NPT signatories. None of Irans nuclear facilities are illegal or in violation of the NPT. Its actually the UN thats violating the NPT here by demanding a halt to enrichment. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
dre Posted February 9, 2012 Report Posted February 9, 2012 (edited) Oh great...so now propaganda about "300" dispersed sites is 100% credible and they all need to be hit to stop Iran's weapons development. Doesn't mean Israel won't try. They can do lots...from direct attacks on those sites and supporting infrastructure. The ensuing conflict will afford even more opportunity to cripple facilities and destabilize the "regime". Israel can/will do the world's "dirty work". Even if they could damage all those sites, it would not "stop" Irans development. It would just prove Iran was right to want a deterrent in the first place. The problem is that most of this is a matter of technical expertise. Iran knows how to build and run a cascade of centrifuges now, and it will be extremely hard to really stop this activity without changing the government there. And by the time any strike happens they may already have enough 235 stockpiled to build a few bombs. Israel knows this... Their best bet is to try and start a broader conflict between Iran and the west. For example... they could do some limited strikes with the hope Iran would do something stupid like sink some oil tankers in the straits. Either way... who cares. World might be a better place if that entire region was just a big sheet of glass with the odd oil hole. Israel can/will do the world's "dirty work". Its not our ditry work, its theirs. Edited February 9, 2012 by dre Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 9, 2012 Report Posted February 9, 2012 Even if they could damage all those sites, it would not "stop" Irans development. It would just prove Iran was right to want a deterrent in the first place. The problem is that most of this is a matter of technical expertise. So what has taken Iran so long to figure it out? Iran knows how to build and run a cascade of centrifuges now, and it will be extremely hard to really stop this activity without changing the government there. And by the time any strike happens they may already have enough 235 stockpiled to build a few bombs. Great...hope they get something for all their trouble. Israel knows this... Their best bet is to try and start a broader conflict between Iran and the west. For example... they could do some limited strikes with the hope Iran would do something stupid like sink some oil tankers in the straits. It's an opportunity to be done with the Islamic Revolution for good...the nukes are just a pretext for war. I recall this working on one of Iran's neighbours. Either way... who cares. World might be a better place if that entire region was just a big sheet of glass with the odd oil hole. I think Iran cares. Its not our ditry work, its theirs. We'll see about that. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
DogOnPorch Posted February 9, 2012 Report Posted February 9, 2012 Im more concerned with Irans real history of large scale military action against its neighbors. There isnt one. Of COURSE they are blustering just like we are. They want to discourage an attack. I still think theres a way better chance that Israel will attack Iran unprovoked as opposed to vice versa. But what the f__k ever... Let em fight. Get me a comfy seat and some popcorn, and just make sure none of MY money gets spent on it. It the retards over there in that god forsaken dump want to ratchet up the rhetoric and goad each other into a conflict, that just aint my problem. Whew. Thanks. For a minute there I thought Iran actually threatened Israel with nuclear Holocaust. But, since you've deemed nuclear war safe (and watchable), I feel a lot better about the whole thing. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
dre Posted February 9, 2012 Report Posted February 9, 2012 So what has taken Iran so long to figure it out? Great...hope they get something for all their trouble. It's an opportunity to be done with the Islamic Revolution for good...the nukes are just a pretext for war. I recall this working on one of Iran's neighbours. I think Iran cares. We'll see about that. So what has taken Iran so long to figure it out? Its really hard to do. It used to be easier when you could buy ready made components from Dr Kahn, and order plans for Hexaflouride plants from China. The rest of the worlds nuclear powers had a lot of help, and Iran post 2001 has basically had to bake its own solution. Only the US and USSR have had to engineer from scratch as far as I know. It's an opportunity to be done with the Islamic Revolution for good...the nukes are just a pretext for war. I recall this working on one of Iran's neighbours. I dont recall it working very well... They ended up with an Iranian backed shia government with a constitution based on the Koran You are basically right about what they are tryng to do though. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
dre Posted February 9, 2012 Report Posted February 9, 2012 Whew. Thanks. For a minute there I thought Iran actually threatened Israel with nuclear Holocaust. But, since you've deemed nuclear war safe (and watchable), I feel a lot better about the whole thing. What nuclear war is that? Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
DogOnPorch Posted February 9, 2012 Report Posted February 9, 2012 (edited) What nuclear war is that? You: But what the f__k ever... Let em fight. Get me a comfy seat and some popcorn, and just make sure none of MY money gets spent on it. In case you missed it, that was you being morbid about two nations eliminating each other. Edited February 9, 2012 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
dre Posted February 9, 2012 Report Posted February 9, 2012 In case you missed it, that was you being morbid about two nations eliminating each other. No it was you having a hard time reading. Im not expecting any nuclear war. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
DogOnPorch Posted February 9, 2012 Report Posted February 9, 2012 (edited) No it was you having a hard time reading. Im not expecting any nuclear war. Funny...the Mullahs seem to want it. Perhaps they should consult with you? Plus: What part of... But what the f__k ever... Let em fight. Get me a comfy seat and some popcorn, and just make sure none of MY money gets spent on it. ...am I not getting here? Are you saying you DIDN'T mean what you said? Edited February 9, 2012 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
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