I have a question on Countries governed by Black governments.

[Scotty]

Certainly the aid and advisors over the past generation should have had some impact but it seems not. Also, the availability of hybrid crops and agricultural improvements should have made crops more feasible.

I've often wondered how much help all this 'help' actually is. I'm sure that in individual cases it's very useful, but overall, I don't see it's had much result, and it might be too much 'help' dissuades local initiative in many cases.

Other countries have been successful in developing in hostile environments have they not. Zimbabwe as an example was pretty much a successful agricultural country in South Africa.

I don't think you can count countries like Rhodesia, established by a more technologically sophisticated people with the aid and support of the colonizing nation for some centuries (not to mention they imported horses and cattle). Of course, once it got taken over by the locals it fell to crap. But what kind of experience and education did they have before the place was handed to them? And what kind of democratic instincts for compromise and economic development did the likes of Robert Mugabe have?

And, on the same Island as Haiti the much more prosperous Dominican Republic,(as the second largest economy in the Caribbean and Central American region.)

Different story again. The people in Haiti are largely the descendants of the slaves brought over to do the rough labour. The people of DM are largely the descendents of the colonizers.

Haiti never had an existence as a black country. It's residents had no culture or values of unity or history. They were completely uneducated and inexperienced, and wound up establishing (surprise surprise) a craphole. One strong man took over from another, and you had corruption, violence and incompetence for decades, and still do. And of course, the culture is ... undesirable, to say the least.

I question the policies of continued financial aid to countries with seemingly FEW CONDITIONS ATTACHED.

Shouldn't there be stipulated conditions for aid?

I think they usually are. But so much of the aid is overseen without any real organization by scores of separate aid and governmental organizations which often don't coordinate very well. And of course, over time, the local urban cultures have not given rise to the kind of work ethic we see in the West or Asia.

[-TSS-]

Actually, I'm surprised by that fresh water-data concerning Australia being in the same category as most countries in the northern hemisphere. After all, we all hear stories about Australia being hopelessly arid and how they really need to create their water as they don't have resources by themselves.

[Guest Peeves]

Actually, I'm surprised by that fresh water-data concerning Australia being in the same category as most countries in the northern hemisphere. After all, we all hear stories about Australia being hopelessly arid and how they really need to create their water as they don't have resources by themselves.

That surprises me. I'll have to do some reading about the Aussies now.

[Scotty]

That's a digest view of my OP.

That's what bothers me. Some times I think, (golly moses is that bigoted?) that African Americans are lucky now to be where they are.

They have their own issues with a dumbass cultural belief system which admires gangsters and sees the government as the enemy, welfare as a right, and education as unimportant.

[guyser]

They have their own issues with a dumbass cultural belief system which admires gangsters and sees the government as the enemy, welfare as a right, and education as unimportant.

All of them huh?

Well, Im just glad I get to quote this statement of yours .

Say...you aren't David Dukes are you ?

[The_Squid]

They have their own issues with a dumbass cultural belief system which admires gangsters and sees the government as the enemy, welfare as a right, and education as unimportant.

Those are some ugly racist remarks....

[bud]

They have their own issues with a dumbass cultural belief system which admires gangsters and sees the government as the enemy, welfare as a right, and education as unimportant.

wow.

[g_bambino]

Now Mexico is the arm pit for Canadian tourists.

Um, Mexicans are Caucasian.

[Moonlight Graham]

Actually, I'm surprised by that fresh water-data concerning Australia being in the same category as most countries in the northern hemisphere. After all, we all hear stories about Australia being hopelessly arid and how they really need to create their water as they don't have resources by themselves.

Again, that graph he posted had nothing to do with fresh water, but % of people who had access to safe-drinking water. You could leave near Lake Michigan but if it's polluted then you don't have access to fresh drinking water.

[Moonlight Graham]

Certainly colonialism played a part in their political evolution or devaluation, but the tribal Hutu-Tutsi, aids, Somali pirates, Haiti's difference from the Dominican Republic on the same island?

Surely colonialism doesn't explain some of these things?

The Hutu and Tutsi aren't tribes. Also, their rivalry, and the violence between them, has been very largely due to Belgian colonialists who pitted them against each other & treated the Tutsis as superior, and taught them both that the Tutsis were racially superior which causes much resentment between them. Prior to colonialism, Tutsi and Hutus got along for the most part, intermarried etc. Also, the Belgians transformed the classification of Hutus/Tutsis, as before colonization it was based on wealth class and who owned farming animals vs not etc., while the Belgians classified Hutu and Tutsi based on physical features upon the invention of "race" which was popular in Europe in the 19th and 20th centuries.

wikipedia;

Belgian colonialism played a significant role in establishing the divide between the Tutsi and Hutu peoples. While ethnic groups loosely existed before colonialism, the effects were exacerbated by Belgian rule.[7] They introduced separate ID cards for the two tribes.[8] When Belgian rule ended, most of the land and power were in the hands of Tutsi while the Hutu were relegated to positions of forced laborers, or Akazi. The presence of the colonialists emboldened the ruling Tutsi against the Hutus, heightening the preexisting ethnic divide that lead to the genocidal conflict between the two groups.[7]

Edited February 8, 2012 by Moonlight Graham

[guyser]

Those are some ugly racist remarks....

Seems someone is purposely avoiding coming back to defend one's self. Have to say, can't blame him!!

[kactus]

Seems someone is purposely avoiding coming back to defend one's self. Have to say, can't blame him!!

Well, you have to question the way the original poster has worded the title giving the misperception of generalising all blacks and the way they govern...

On a more specific note I remember a couple of years back when britain withdrew the knighthood from Mugabe (and quite rightly so) Nevertheless, you wonder why such a dictator like many others enjoyed a rather good relationship with britain before.

[guyser]

Well, you have to question the way the original poster has worded the title giving the misperception of generalising all blacks and the way they govern...

Thats a fair assessment. The OP wasnt much better .

But that doesnt give any free reign to speak racist BS .

[Scotty]

Those are some ugly racist remarks....

Your remark is massively ignorant. It appears based on a total lack of understanding of what constitutes racism, or even bigotry.

[olpfan1]

The countries with the least amount of religious nut jobs are the most peaceful countries

You can look it up and you can also look up the percentage of black people that live there

I don't think you could ignore it

Edited February 12, 2012 by olpfan1

[olpfan1]

I read this thread and I think it's full of people who are overly politically correct and full of posters who don't want to look racist

so they call others racist.

Everybody is a racist. You don't have kind thoughts about everybody. This is how we were made. Instead of deflecting why don't we have a serious discussion for once about a topic that is seen as "Taboo".

[olpfan1]

Those are some ugly racist remarks....

Well I don't think that is how Black Africans are but that is pretty much how Black Americans are

White Americans and White / Black Canadians (except for the education part, we're a lot smarter up here) are no different

It's the North American culture