Well now, Ron Paul even agrees on the reason for 911!

[Guest American Woman]

Iran caught 14 or so CIA agents within Iran. Not clear what their intentions were, but I can tell you with 100% certainty, that they were not there to create diplomatic ties, or sent in to negotiate with anyone.

As opposed to CSIS agents, whose purpose is to create diplomatic ties, eh?

[GostHacked]

As opposed to CSIS agents, whose purpose is to create diplomatic ties, eh?

Doing a BC_2004 looks good on you, I'll be giving you more of an opportunity to 'Canada' up the thread as we go, so get ready.

The CIA has had quite the documented history, and many things remain classified. But learning what the CIA does and has done, will lead you to learning why the Twin Towers fell.

[Guest American Woman]

Doing a BC_2004 looks good on you, I'll be giving you more of an opportunity to 'Canada' up the thread as we go, so get ready.

No relevant response, eh? Why am I not surprised.

[GostHacked]

No relevant response, eh? Why am I not surprised.

It's called staying on topic, something that need to be considered when posting. You can go start another thread in the Canadian politics in regards to CSIS's actions if you so desire. Here we are talking about Ron Paul and his stance on 9/11 and the reasons for the blowback that was 9/11.

[Guest American Woman]

It's called staying on topic, something that need to be considered when posting. You can go start another thread in the Canadian politics in regards to CSIS's actions if you so desire. Here we are talking about Ron Paul and his stance on 9/11 and the reasons for the blowback that was 9/11.

Ummmmm. Who retired and made you the "on topic" police?

But Since the post I was responding to, your post, was about the recent capturing of CIA spies in Iran, are you trying to tell me that the highjackers saw into the future and this was one of the reasons for the attacks?

As for the reasons for 9-11, if you think Canada is immune from those reasons, think again. You see, we don't all have to agree with Ron Paul's assessment, nor do we have to agree with all the responses. If some of us think other factors are relevant, we'll bring them up. And in that regard, your comment about CIA spies warranted exactly the response it got - while your response comparing me to another poster was more along the rule-breaking lines. Capice?

[bush_cheney2004]

....But by excluding him with a time frame, Canada's killing civilians in war can be excluded. But of course when Canada goes to war, it's all good - and in fact, the U.S. is criticized for wanting to stay out of it. Furthermore, if it's a UN sanctioned war, evidently the civilian deaths aren't 'as bad.'

...Very true, the U.S. is not perfect, but Canada has never done anything to distance itself from the U.S. and has, in fact, been right there with us. And that includes Iraq. Denial doesn't erase reality.

Wow...you have certainly been on quite the roll, nailing the inconsistencies and purposeful ignorance of some posters with respect to Ron Paul's "evil America". No wonder the paranoid peeking from across the border gravitate towards Rep. Paul.

I think we have converged on the same CanAm conclusion from very different directions, despite disagreements on other topics. When I was in the cooler (thanks for the American baseball and glove DoP), I read one of your posts that basically slammed the door shut on much of the false contention posted by some members. Articulating in just a few words that "Canada acts like Canada, not the USA", forces the deniers to own it instead of whining incessantly about US policy.

So we can see the same dynamic at play in this thread, with Ron Paul being the object of their fears and salvation. Amazing.

[GostHacked]

Ummmmm. Who retired and made you the "on topic" police?

It's to prevent the thread from getting derailed into other stuff not really related to the topic. I don't like to stray off topic, and in many cases I am one to put the thread back on track.

But Since the post I was responding to, your post, was about the recent capturing of CIA spiein Iran, are you trying to tell me that the highjackers saw into the future and this was one of the reasons for the attacks?

Reading comprehension is not your strong point. Try to use your noodle just a bit here, and stop being so reactionary. You get insulted and your panties in a bunch every time this happens. Comments like 'Who retired and made you the "on topic police"..... Yeah, give em hell AW.

As for the reasons for 9-11, if you think Canada is immune from those reasons, think again.

I never said we were immune from it. Our actions in Afghanistan actually puts us in more of a position for 'blowback' of some kind. It puts us more at risk. This is why I never supported going into Afghanistan in the first place. So I agree with you, but yet you can't agree with me. Which is really baffling.

You see, we don't all have to agree with Ron Paul's assessment, nor do we have to agree with all the responses.

Correct you don't have to agree with him. Even when he is right about it.

If some of us think other factors are relevant, we'll bring them up. And in that regard, your comment about CIA spies warranted exactly the response it got

Please do, but again try to stay on topic, it helps your point better. The CIA are your boys, and you may want to pay attention to what they have done, and what they are doing. You'd be quite pissed about what the CIA has done to American citizens while actually in the USA. The CIA is doing all that stuff in the name of the USA. So why would you brush it off so easily? They make you look bad as an American Citizen, not me. Because when the CIA does this around the world, resentment will come about.

- while your response comparing me to another poster was more along the rule-breaking lines. Capice?

Pointing the obvious that threads are derailed and hijacked by the usual suspects. I'll throw you in that category, as well because you have participated in just that. So if you don't want to get grouped in with those other posters, don't do what they do.

So let's get back to the topic shall we?

The current actions of the CIA in Iran will guarantee more blow back from terrorist elements which can results in more terror attacks on mainland USA. This was an example of future blowback. Based on the blowback that was 9/11 when the USA had meddled with other places. Bin Laden stated that one of the reasons for the attacks was because of foreign troops in Muslim Lands.

[Guest American Woman]

It's to prevent the thread from getting derailed into other stuff not really related to the topic. I don't like to stray off topic, and in many cases I am one to put the thread back on track.

Yes, I've noticed that.

Reading comprehension is not your strong point. Try to use your noodle just a bit here

More insults. Way to keep on topic and add to the discussion.

and stop being so reactionary.

I'll be exactly as I please, thank you. And fyi, the purpose of a forum is usually to get people to react to the comments posted.

You get insulted and your panties in a bunch every time this happens.

Ummmm. I wasn't insulted and my panties weren't in a bunch. I simply pointed out that the CSIC isn't in the business of winning friends and influencing people, either. You, of course, had no relevant response.

Comments like 'Who retired and made you the "on topic police"..... Yeah, give em hell AW.

It was a totally relevant response to yours. Perhaps it wasn't quite up to the intellectual level of, say:

Doing a BC_2004 looks good on you

Reading comprehension is not your strong point.

Try to use your noodle just a bit here

You get insulted and your panties in a bunch

But then, we can't all be as intelligent as you, eh? Thank God.

[Guest American Woman]

Articulating in just a few words that "Canada acts like Canada, not the USA", forces the deniers to own it instead of whining incessantly about US policy.

It seems so often that posters who say 'I criticize Canada too!' do it by saying things like 'Canada is acting like the U.S.,' and I find that soooo passive-aggressive; it's passively criticizing Canada while aggressively criticizing the U.S. The focus is still on the U.S. It's like I said - Canada acts like Canada, always has, always will.

So we can see the same dynamic at play in this thread, with Ron Paul being the object of their fears and salvation. Amazing.

I find the whole Ron Paul thing quite baffling. Of course the love affair would end if Paul were actually elected POTUS, just as it ended with Obama.

[eyeball]

Give me a break. If that were the case, there would be no world. The whole world 'has it coming.'

Even Tibet? I mean, they're like Hobbits or something.

[bush_cheney2004]

It seems so often that posters who say 'I criticize Canada too!' do it by saying things like 'Canada is acting like the U.S.,' and I find that soooo passive-aggressive; it's passively criticizing Canada while aggressively criticizing the U.S. The focus is still on the U.S. It's like I said - Canada acts like Canada, always has, always will.

Right...and that's why I think you nailed it. After thousands of topic posts in which I purposely articulate chapter and verse of actual Canadian domestic or foreign policy actions to demonstrate the exact same observation, your exchange with another member quietly and elegantly cemented the deal. Canada acts like Canada has always acted.

For some reason that perhaps this "stupid" American will never understand, a portion of Canadians cannot/will not accept responsibility for their own nation's actions, past and present, without a primary focus on the USA. Doesn't really matter what the topic is....could be health care...could be the AVRO Arrow....could be Fox News. I think member August1991 helped to clarify a bit of the experience here by opining that the mere presence of Americans on the forum causes behaviors and artifacts that would not otherwise exist. In other words, any push back by Americans only causes more of the same.

I find the whole Ron Paul thing quite baffling. Of course the love affair would end if Paul were actually elected POTUS, just as it ended with Obama.

Yes it would, but now I see that Ron Paul is the embodiment of anti-American paranoia and neurosis, despite him having lost two previous POTUS elections. He is not new to us, but for some small portion of Canadians he represents hopes and fears that they cannot directly act on as non-citzens in the election cycle. I think this is a small minority of Canadians in general, but due to the nature of this political forum, we get to see more of the cross border Ron Paul fanaticism here.

[GostHacked]

http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&complete_911_timeline_counterterrorism_before_9_11

Worth a read.

[cybercoma]

Even Tibet? I mean, they're like Hobbits or something.

Those Swiss have it coming with their banks, clocks, and chocolates. Bastards!

[Guest American Woman]

Even Tibet? I mean, they're like Hobbits or something.

Are they? And if so, do you think it's been like that since the beginning of time? Or has time only commenced to have meaning "since WWII?"

[cybercoma]

It's also BS that just because some Americans get butt-chapped I then have to asterisks/defend every criticism I have of the US with the fact that my country has done some similar things on a smaller scale. No crap. I criticize them for it too. And I'll criticize the US all day long because they darn well deserve it, more so than any other western state because they cause more BS in this world than any other western state by legions. If you want to hear how great the US is and all the good they do then don't come on the US politics forum. If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen. This is the last time I'm responding to a "yah well Canada did something like that to".

The US had it coming. They got a small taste of their own medicine. Unfortunately a lot of Americans don't seem to have learned anything from it.

Apparently this needs to be posted again.

[Guest American Woman]

I ... didn't realize that apparently the last twenty years means more than the rest of time for some odd, inexplicable reason.

Newsflash. Not all citizens vote for the party in power and not all citizens, including the babies and children killed on 9-11 when "the U.S. had it coming," could vote. But yeah, they "had it coming."

3000 US civilians targeted and killed is a different matter than 3000 civilians regretfully, accidently killed anywhere in the world. But here's the shocking part - it's no less tragic than the thousands killed BEFORE the past 20 years and it's no less tragic than the civilians who have been killed by Canadian troops - or your "commonwealth" leader, Great Britain, who you still share ties with. You might want to take a look at their record - and that includes "in the last 20 years."

They should also be concerned about the man pretending not to shoot any as he pledges his support to the man who does - and shoots away himself. He should also be concerned about the man who gives the other man the means to do it. He should also be concerned about the man who is willingly living the good life because of the other man's deeds. He should also be concerned about the great friendship the two share. Because in your "tit for tat karma" world, Canada wouldn't be given the 'we're not as bad' pass that ya'll like to give yourselves. Not by a long shot.

One last thought. Canada's "one man" equals U.S. ten men - and I'd say your "2 people" is more of your attempt at moral equivocation than the reality of the situation. But do keep giving yourself a moral, holier-than-thou, 'we're not as bad' pat on the back. Whatever gets you through life.

Apparently this needs to be posted again.

[cybercoma]

Again, if you want to talk about Canada's role, start a topic in the Canadian politics forums.

[Guest American Woman]

Again, if you want to talk about Canada's role, start a topic in the Canadian politics forums.

No thank you. Discussing Canada is relevant to the causes of 9-11, so it will be just fine to discuss its role here.

[bush_cheney2004]

Again, if you want to talk about Canada's role, start a topic in the Canadian politics forums.

Yea...I'm sure that's what the dead Canadians said too on 9/11. Didn't help much....

[eyeball]

Are they?

It sure seems like it.

And if so, do you think it's been like that since the beginning of time?

I doubt it.

Or has time only commenced to have meaning "since WWII?"

Nope. It is what it is.

[eyeball]

For some reason that perhaps this "stupid" American will never understand, a portion of Canadians cannot/will not accept responsibility for their own nation's actions, past and present, without a primary focus on the USA.

Well, speaking for myself and as you know, I certainly don't try to argue that Canada doesn't have it coming too.

I'm just not as proud of what we did to deserve it as you are.

[sharkman]

Well, speaking for myself and as you know, I certainly don't try to argue that Canada doesn't have it coming too.

I'm just not as proud of what we did to deserve it as you are.

Not that I agree with the premise, but you are saying that you're both guilty, but since you feel differnt about it you're not as bad, and are therefore morally superior. Typical Canadian response.

[GostHacked]

Not that I agree with the premise, but you are saying that you're both guilty, but since you feel differnt about it you're not as bad, and are therefore morally superior. Typical Canadian response.

How the hell do you get that from his statement?

[sharkman]

Come on, it's a two sentence statement with no hidden meaning.

[cybercoma]

I think this is the only time you'll ever see Americans saying Canada's foreign policy has as big an impact as American.