Boges Posted December 30, 2011 Report Share Posted December 30, 2011 I love watching the Right on this forum twist themselves to justify the profligate spending of this government and their increase in taxes to cover it. Wasn't there new recently about staff cuts at the EI department and how they are now falling behind in their caseload? As for CPP, I think it's obvious why that's costing more and will continue to cost more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkman Posted December 30, 2011 Report Share Posted December 30, 2011 Wasn't there new recently about staff cuts at the EI department and how they are now falling behind in their caseload? As for CPP, I think it's obvious why that's costing more and will continue to cost more. Yes, the blame Harper crowd seems to have pretty narrow minded vision. It was Harper who gave them more $$ when he delivered on his promise to cut the GST. But they didn't thank him for that, they claimed higher taxes were appropriate there. Now the same crowd is complaining about higher taxes. This argument has no integrity, and is just another hate Harper thread. *yawn* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted December 30, 2011 Report Share Posted December 30, 2011 I love watching the Right on this forum twist themselves to justify the profligate spending of this government and their increase in taxes to cover it. EI is insurance, paid with premiums, not taxes. It's not a welfare program. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted December 30, 2011 Report Share Posted December 30, 2011 EI is insurance, paid with premiums, not taxes. It's not a welfare program. I used to think that as well until Martin started raiding the EI surplus to balance the budget. That's when it changed from an insurance premium to a tax. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted December 30, 2011 Report Share Posted December 30, 2011 I used to think that as well until Martin started raiding the EI surplus to balance the budget. That's when it changed from an insurance premium to a tax. Well, technically it's still an insurance premium. Although you're right, governments use it as a general fund. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted December 30, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2011 I love watching the Right on this forum twist themselves to justify the profligate spending of this government and their increase in taxes to cover it. Or how they vilify Dalton McGuinty for his health 'premium' claiming it to be a tax but when it comes to Harper raising EI premiums...suddenly premiums aren't considered to be taxes in their minds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIK Posted December 30, 2011 Report Share Posted December 30, 2011 Or how they vilify Dalton McGuinty for his health 'premium' claiming it to be a tax but when it comes to Harper raising EI premiums...suddenly premiums aren't considered to be taxes in their minds. The difference is harper knows what he is doing and will succeed, whre dalton is running around blind and no idea what to do.And of course harper spent some money, he fixed and is fixing the same problems chretien had and ignored. What did he do for 13 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted December 30, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2011 Gee...even the quality of what we've come to expect out of Conbots is slipping.. It really must be hard to find good help these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted December 30, 2011 Report Share Posted December 30, 2011 Well, technically it's still an insurance premium. Although you're right, governments use it as a general fund. The government can't use it as a general fund without the approval of the companies and the employees. It's managed by a tripartite board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charter.rights Posted December 31, 2011 Report Share Posted December 31, 2011 The difference is harper knows what he is doing and will succeed, whre dalton is running around blind and no idea what to do.And of course harper spent some money, he fixed and is fixing the same problems chretien had and ignored. What did he do for 13 years. Right. Blame the increase in EI and CPP premiums on the Liberals. It is just like a Conservative to shirk responsibility.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted December 31, 2011 Report Share Posted December 31, 2011 The government can't use it as a general fund without the approval of the companies and the employees. It's managed by a tripartite board. They can and they have according to the Supreme Court.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted December 31, 2011 Report Share Posted December 31, 2011 They can and they have according to the Supreme Court.. So they have. Seems they must get the commissions approval before raising the premiums though. Also, it looks like the government should have listened to the Canadian Labour Congress. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted December 31, 2011 Report Share Posted December 31, 2011 So they have. Seems they must get the commissions approval before raising the premiums though. Also, it looks like the government should have listened to the Canadian Labour Congress. Looks to me like they have the right to do what they want if they get Parliament's approval but in this case they didn't. While it may solve an immediate problem for a government, it loses credibility for a program when the public sees their so called "insurance premiums" disappearing into general revenue. The BC government has been taking a lot of flack lately for creaming off ICBC surpluses which just amounts to an additional tax on motorists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted December 31, 2011 Report Share Posted December 31, 2011 I agree. If the government is going to run an insurance scheme, it shouldn't be used for general revenues. They shouldn't be profiting from it. All the money that goes in needs to be investing for its own purposes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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