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[monty16]

MH, God knows why people do what they do.

DoP, the 6 million statistic is a rough number. Several million died in extermination camps shortly after they arrived. For example at Treblinka where there was no work camp and no selection, almost 1 million people were killed (largely Warsaw Jews).

It is true that many people died of starvation or disease since the Nazis herded Jews into ghettos before moving them by transport to extermination camps. I think relatively few died through "overwork" since the Nazis generally did not view Jews as slave labour.

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In the 1930s, Lvov was a Polish city with a Jewish minority. It was like Montreal, a city of two large communities who live side by side.

Nowadays, Lvov is Lviv. It has few Polish speakers and no Jews. Such is Europe.

I am always surprised when people say that Europeans are sophisticated or more refined than Americans. They say, "Americans are fat and crass. Americans eat fast food. Europeans are more civilized."

IMHO, we North Americans are the civilized people.

Where are you getting all your information August? A lot of it doesn't agree with information that others are providing. We need to be sceptical of any and all claims August because there's too much wroing information floating around out there now. Providing wrong and unsubstantiated information does more harm that good to the holocaust story. You know how people were led to believe the Schindler's List story and were shown Jews being shot in cold blood for sport by Germans. And then they found out that Schindler's List was a work of pure fiction! That didn't help one bit in helping the sceptics to become believers. It strengthened the hand of the IHR revisionists.

Now I'm certainly not saying that some Germans shot Jews for sport and probably vice versa. Dog knows that Americans who were not claimed to be of German descent did it with glee at MyLai to babes in arms. It's the brutality of war.

We need some sources and then some other independent sources to back them up. check out the baloney detector.

Edited December 29, 2011 by monty1

[DogOnPorch]

You know how people were led to believe the Schindler's List story and were shown Jews being shot in cold blood for sport by Germans. And then they found out that Schindler's List was a work of pure fiction!

So: Oskar Schindler = myth. No person by that name existed beyond Hollywood and Speilberg's vivid imagination. Plus you're right! The SS would never dream about shooting a Jew out-of-hand. It's just not cricket...and they were all upstanding fellows of good character.

[Boges]

So: Oskar Schindler = myth. No person by that name existed beyond Hollywood and Speilberg's vivid imagination. Plus you're right! The SS would never dream about shooting a Jew out-of-hand. It's just not cricket...and they were all upstanding fellows of good character.

Oskar Schindler was great in Taken. Not so great in Clash of the Titans however.

Edited December 29, 2011 by Boges

[monty16]

So: Oskar Schindler = myth. No person by that name existed beyond Hollywood and Speilberg's vivid imagination. Plus you're right! The SS would never dream about shooting a Jew out-of-hand. It's just not cricket...and they were all upstanding fellows of good character.

Good grief, have you no reading comprehensioin at all? Of course Oscar Schindler was a person who existed. Can you at least understand that I said that the 'Schindler's List' story was a work of fiction?

And then I also said that it's undoubtedly true that some Germans shot Jews for sport and probably vice versa. We do know Jews are just as capable because we've seen news flicks of them killing Palestinians and laughing about it. And we've also seen the biggest demonstration of that the world has ever witnessed when Americans gleefully massacred women, children, and babes in arms at MyLai. (granted I've seen film of Jews being shot by Germans too but in lesser numbers)

I'm trying to bring out some facts here, not just rumour and dreamed up stories that can't be substantiated.

Geeeeeezzzzz, some teenagers!

[DogOnPorch]

Oskar Schindler was great in Taken. Not so great in Clash of the Titans however.

Rob Roy deserves a mention...

[DogOnPorch]

And then I also said that it's undoubtedly true that some Germans shot Jews for sport and probably vice versa. We do know Jews are just as capable because we've seen news flicks of them killing Palestinians and laughing about it. And we've also seen the biggest demonstration of that the world has ever witnessed when Americans gleefully massacred women, children, and babes in arms at MyLai. (granted I've seen film of Jews being shot by Germans too but in lesser numbers)

My Lai...peanuts. Your history doesn't seem to include events like Babi Yar and Rumbula which involved thousands...tens of thousands.

btw: can you post that news clip where those dirty Jews shoot Palestinians en masse and laugh while the bodies are still wiggling? Thanks...

[DogOnPorch]

Like this...only the other way 'round...thanks.

http://mepeace.org/video/hamas-members-execute-fatah

[Boges]

Dog you can't ask him to provide proof of the claims he makes. You can't prove a negative but it's imperative that any element of history we believe to provide 3 or more corroborating sources that he deems acceptable.

For example I can say that 9-11 wasn't perpetrated by Muslims because I don't have video evidence of Mohamed Atta in the cockpit of the plane that flew into the WTC.

Edited December 29, 2011 by Boges

[DogOnPorch]

Dog you can't ask him to provide proof of the claims he makes. You can't prove a negative so it's imperative that any element of history we believe to provide 3 or more corroborating sources that he deems acceptable.

For example I can say that 9-11 wasn't perpetrated by Muslims because I don't have video evidence of Mohamed Atta in the cockpit of the plane that flew into the WTC.

But for me to say that George Bush did it, I don't really have to provide any proof at all, I just have to question to consensus.

Yup, I'm thinking along the same lines. The Middle Ages, for example...there is no proof that period existed. In fact, if I close my eyes, the World disappears.

[Boges]

Yup, I'm thinking along the same lines. The Middle Ages, for example...there is no proof that period existed. In fact, if I close my eyes, the World disappears.

Are there photos of William Shakespeare writing any of the plays that are attributes to him? I smell Baloney!

[DogOnPorch]

Are there photos of William Shakespeare writing any of the plays that are attributes to him? I smell Baloney!

Well, the warning bells always go off when somebody decides 'logic' can disprove the Holocaust. There were what?? Three million or so Jews in Poland in 1939...where are they all now? Florida?

[Boges]

Well, the warning bells always go off when somebody decides 'logic' can disprove the Holocaust. There were what?? Three million or so Jews in Poland in 1939...where are they all now? Florida?

They are all at Monty's friends house. He knows the truth afterall.

Edited December 29, 2011 by Boges

[DogOnPorch]

They are all at Monty's friends house. He knows the truth afterall.

I'm sure there's a news clip showing them gunning down innocent Hamas members.

[monty16]

Well, the warning bells always go off when somebody decides 'logic' can disprove the Holocaust. There were what?? Three million or so Jews in Poland in 1939...where are they all now? Florida?

It's good to ask questions Dog. How many Jews were in Poland in 1939 and how many are in Poland now. Your answer of how many are there now is wrong of course. (check baloney detector for wild claims) How many Polish Jews moved to Israel during the period in question. If we find the answer to these questions then we will then know how many Jews died of natural causes, or died of all other causes and we would be able to deduct that number from the number that moved elsewhere. They are difficult questions to answer and it's only been attempted by the IHR revisionists as far as I know. We would have to examine their numbers and then try to either disprove them or to substantiate them in some way. They provide little solid evidence themselves as their agenda appears to be a dishonest agenda at first glance. Noboby here seems to be willing to do that kind of research, rather they all seem to be preoccupied with making unsubstantiated claims with nothing to back them up!

I'm not suggesting you research the questions Dog because it's pretty obvious that you aren't capable. Just that the issue you brought up may be of interest of others who are.

[DogOnPorch]

You're right; I'm not capable of being a Holocaust denier.

Edited December 29, 2011 by DogOnPorch

[DogOnPorch]

Still waiting on your clip re: Jews shooting Palestinians en masse and laughing.

[monty16]

You're right; I'm not capable of being a Holocaust denier.

FWIW, there are over 29,000 jews currently living in Poland. So much for stupid people making wild claims. Deny that!

Edited December 29, 2011 by monty1

[DogOnPorch]

FWIW, there are over 29,000 jews currently living in Poland. So much for stupid people making wild claims.

Oh, well then Mystery solved. There were only 29,000 Jews to begin with.

[DogOnPorch]

Any sign of that truthful clip of yours? You know...the one where Jews are murdering Palestinians en masse and laughing? No?

[Boges]

Any sign of that truthful clip of yours? You know...the one where Jews are murdering Palestinians en masse and laughing? No?

Are you denying that happened or are you being revisionist?

[DogOnPorch]

Are you denying that happened or are you being revisionist?

It ain't real until we see the proof...then we'd need to prove that the proof wasn't a fake. I can see why some folks go into mathematics.

[monty16]

Would either of you two clowns care to find what I actually did say about Israelis killing Palestinians and then quote it accurately? Then stake your reputation on making the claim that what I said isn't true? And then if you are wrong you would promise to go away and never darken the doorstep of this forum again? I'm ready, let's do it! Or is this just another stupid claim dredged out of whole cloth like the claim that there are no Jews in Poland?

Let me know when either of you think you're ready to play with the grownups.

[Boges]

We do know Jews are just as capable because we've seen news flicks of them killing Palestinians and laughing about it.

So what you're saying is that if you can prove this is true we have to leave.

So in-order to actually defend a statement you have to have a bet in place first?

Edited December 29, 2011 by Boges

[monty16]

So what you're saying is that if you can prove this is true we have to leave.

So in-order to actually defend a statement you have to have a bet in place first?

Yeah, that's what I intend. If I can show it then you two have to leave. If I can't then I leave. It's a bet right?

I show you a video of jews or israelis killing palestinians and you two leave. Take your time to think about it. I'll give you 24 hours.

Edited December 29, 2011 by monty1

[Boges]

Yeah, that's what I intend. If I can show it then you two have to leave. If I can't then I leave. It's a bet right?

I show you a video of jews or israelis killing palestinians and you two leave. Take your time to think about it. I'll give you 24 hours.

You hold all the cards. Either you have some nebulous tape or you don't. That's not really a fair bet.

So for you to actually produce any evidence whatsoever on any claim, You have to gamble?