Face veils banned for citizenship oaths

[bud]

and covering the face? that's practiced only in a few countries. majority of muslim women in majority of muslim countries do not cover their faces. it's something that came from wahabism and if you ask most muslims, they do not agree with it.

Edited December 22, 2011 by bud

[cybercoma]

Family violence is against the law in Canada. Although the Criminal Code does not have a specific "family violence offence", an abuser can be charged with an applicable offence. Criminal charges could include:

• assault

• assault causing bodily harm

• sexual assault

• sexual assault causing bodily harm

• sexual assault with a weapon

• criminal harassment (sometimes called "stalking")

• uttering threats

• mischief

• intimidation

• forcible confinement

• attempted murder, and

• murder

So it is against the law; an abuser can be charged with an applicable offense. Which is, semantics aside, the same thing, as in the end, it amounts to the same thing. So it's the reality that I'm interested in and it's the reality that I referred to.

I didn't say family violence was legal. I said there is no specific domestic violence law in Canada. And what I meant by that is that it's not in the criminal code as its own offense. In other words, your link shows that I was right.

Edited December 22, 2011 by cybercoma

[GostHacked]

And that observation is completely irrelevant to anything I said in my post.

How so?

[cybercoma]

No, it wouldn't. First of all, as I said, I think a fine will hit "the man/men of the house" harder than it will the woman who is oppressed

Wow. That's great. Fine the woman because the man will have to pay it. Do you have any idea how sexist that sounds? What about single Muslim women that wear it? Fine their fathers? What if he's dead; fine their brothers?

You could just fine the husband if his wife is seen in public with a niqab. Of course, then you could have a case where you encourage the husband to get angry and violent with his wife if she insists on wearing it because he'll have to pay the charges.

Why can't you just admit that punishing the victim for the crimes of their abuser is just a really terrible idea? Moreover, your ideas have yet to address the fact that many women may choose to wear it of their own volition. In which case, you just created a crime out of wearing religious clothing that you find unacceptable.

Edited December 22, 2011 by cybercoma

[Guest American Woman]

American Woman, on 22 December 2011 - 02:14 PM, said: And that observation is completely irrelevant to anything I said in my post.

How so?

It doesn't have anything to do with anything that I said.

[Tilter]

wow. just wow.

how many muslims do you know?

how many times have you read the Quran?,

It in it'self is a guide to oppression, slavery, misogamy,cruelty and murder.

[cybercoma]

how many times have you read the Quran?,

It in it'self is a guide to oppression, slavery, misogamy,cruelty and murder.

What's misogamy?

[Black Dog]

how many times have you read the Quran?,

It in it'self is a guide to oppression, slavery, misogamy,cruelty and murder.

So a bit like the Old Testament, then. A cracking work of fiction.

[The_Squid]

So a bit like the Old Testament, then. A cracking work of fiction.

Exactly so....

[The_Squid]

What's misogamy?

You really couldn't figure out what that meant?

You have never made a spelling mistake before?

Are you really this petty? In real life too, or just on internet forums?

[DogOnPorch]

Exactly so....

Except the fellows really keen on Islam will liberate your head from your neck in this year, 711 2011.

[The_Squid]

Except the fellows really keen on Islam will liberate your head from your neck in this year, 711 2011.

Quite true.

There are extremists in nearly every religion.... what would a KKK member do to a Jew in the name of his holy book?

[GostHacked]

how many times have you read the Quran?,

It in it'self is a guide to oppression, slavery, misogamy,cruelty and murder.

Kind of like the Bible then.

[GostHacked]

It doesn't have anything to do with anything that I said.

The last 30 some pages have been irrelevant to the thread. I guess this is the new MLW status quo.

Carry on.

[WWWTT]

And what I meant by that is that it's not in the criminal code as its own offense. In other words, your link shows that I was right.

This could be true.

However in Canada and many other western nations,when the police are dispatched to a reported domestic dispute call a specific procedure is followed unique to family/spouce abuse/violence

WWWTT

[bud]

how many times have you read the Quran?,

It in it'self is a guide to oppression, slavery, misogamy,cruelty and murder.

i've seen the verses in the koran and i've seen them in the bible, including the old testament.

so what now? majority of the world are killers/oppressors/slave owners/rapists?

[cybercoma]

This could be true.

However in Canada and many other western nations,when the police are dispatched to a reported domestic dispute call a specific procedure is followed unique to family/spouce abuse/violence

WWWTT

Of course there is. You don't respond to a parent assualting a child the same way you respond to two drunks fighting outside a bar. They're still charged under the same section of the CCC though. This is why judicial discretion is necessay and the reason mandatory minimums are garbage.

[DogOnPorch]

Quite true.

There are extremists in nearly every religion.... what would a KKK member do to a Jew in the name of his holy book?

Not sure...what's been done lately?

[DogOnPorch]

i've seen the verses in the koran and i've seen them in the bible, including the old testament.

so what now? majority of the world are killers/oppressors/slave owners/rapists?

Deeds not words.

[The_Squid]

Not sure...what's been done lately?

That is the fundemental difference. N. America has laws and deterents to such actions.

It wasn't that long ago that even in N. Ameerica there were lynchings by Christian sects of blacks. If you think that the KKK has gotten kinder and would never again do such a thing, then you are gravely naive. It is the actions of governments that has curbed this sort of thing, not the temperence of the religious nutbars!

[The_Squid]

Deeds not words.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waco_Siege

Religous murderous nutbars are even *gasp* Christians!!

[DogOnPorch]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waco_Siege

Religous murderous nutbars are even *gasp* Christians!!

Waco...long time ago. One crazy dude. Now...let's find a news source and count the various acts of Islamic terror occuring every day.

Edited December 23, 2011 by DogOnPorch

[DogOnPorch]

That is the fundemental difference. N. America has laws and deterents to such actions.

It wasn't that long ago that even in N. Ameerica there were lynchings by Christian sects of blacks. If you think that the KKK has gotten kinder and would never again do such a thing, then you are gravely naive. It is the actions of governments that has curbed this sort of thing, not the temperence of the religious nutbars!

The KKK may not be kinder...but they are a Hell of a lot smaller. Tell me how many KKK there were in 1921 and how many exist today.

[The_Squid]

Waco...long time ago. One crazy dude. Now...let's find a news sourse and count the various acts of Islamic terror occuring every day.

Not that long ago really...

It proves that religious whackos are not just found in any one religion.

The KKK may not be kinder...but they are a Hell of a lot smaller. Tell me how many KKK there were in 1921 and how many exist today.

The difference is that they used to be able to get away with it. I have no idea how many KKK there were compared to now. I'm sure lots died off and they aren't being indoctrinated into that religious bigotry and violence as children as much any more.

[Scotty]

Not that long ago really...

Like, a generation ago? Sorry, but that doesn't qualify. Especially when those were isolated acts by people who were hunted down by the government.

Compare to that Iran, which hangs teenage girls for the crime of being raped, or Afghanistan, which makes rape victims go to prison if they don't marry their rapist, or the UAE, where the supreme court specifies how you can beat your wife according to the Koran, or Indonesia, where mobs of crazed Muslims burn down churches and murder people, and the government then charges the members of the church who fought back, or Saudi Arabia, which forces teenagers back into their burning school because their faces aren't covered up. Shall I go on? There is a difference between the acts of a few screwballs who are not accepted even by the Church, and the actions of a society as a whole as accepted by both their church/temple/mosque and their government.